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The Big White Book says... Yvves Send a noteboard - 12/09/2009 11:46:43 PM
Page 50: Foremost of the thirteen who formed the high council of the Shadow's forces was Ishamael. Believed to be the most powerful of the Chosen in the use of the One Power, he was equaled by none but Lews Therin Telamon himself.


Which clearly puts Ishamael first.

Page 53: The second most powerful man, ... Aginor, came close to rivaling Lews Therin and Ishamael in strength.


Which puts Aginor right behind Ishamael and Lews Therin.

Page 61: The most powerful of the female Forsaken, possibly the most powerful of all next to Ishamael, was Lanfear.


Which puts Lanfear greater than or equal to Aginor, right behind Lews Therin and Ishamael.

Either Lanfear or Aginor. I'm leaning towards Lanfear, which is how I voted before I even consulted the book. Yay gut instinct!
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The top 6 Forsaken - similar in the One Power Sidious - 12/09/2009 09:27:20 PM 2010 Views
Some thoughts about Semmy Lordling - 12/09/2009 09:59:50 PM 1162 Views
Re: Some thoughts about Semmy Sidious - 13/09/2009 08:33:28 AM 1259 Views
Of course... Digital_Eon - 13/09/2009 08:36:39 AM 1018 Views
I've been thinking the same for years Dragonsworn - 12/09/2009 11:25:02 PM 1135 Views
The Big White Book says... Yvves - 12/09/2009 11:46:43 PM 1212 Views
Not Aginor Sidious - 13/09/2009 08:36:37 AM 1201 Views
Re: Not Aginor NaClH2O - 13/09/2009 03:16:13 PM 1107 Views
Re: Not Aginor Sidious - 13/09/2009 05:47:14 PM 1172 Views
Fact is, the bwb is untrustworthy Shannow - 13/09/2009 05:54:28 PM 1070 Views
We must either use all the quotes from the BWB or none of them Sidious - 13/09/2009 06:07:46 PM 1117 Views
Or... Shannow - 13/09/2009 08:41:23 PM 1052 Views
Re: Or... Sidious - 14/09/2009 04:46:52 AM 1044 Views
But, RJ himself said that the BWB was written from the standpoint of a scholar RugbyPlayingAshaman - 14/09/2009 04:42:59 PM 1098 Views
Re: Not Aginor NaClH2O - 13/09/2009 08:17:28 PM 1030 Views
It all depends on how you define "powerful" Lanfear - 14/09/2009 02:30:31 AM 1127 Views
I agree 101%. *NM* Yvves - 14/09/2009 03:49:51 AM 561 Views
I think power is much more than raw strength Sidious - 14/09/2009 05:00:10 AM 1047 Views
I agree for the most part, but disagree on one thing. Lanfear - 14/09/2009 07:52:10 PM 1232 Views
Re: The top 6 Forsaken - similar in the One Power Bulgakov - 12/09/2009 11:48:03 PM 1055 Views
the other reason NaClH2O - 13/09/2009 03:24:24 PM 993 Views
So is graendal similar to lanfear then? Shannow - 13/09/2009 05:41:42 PM 991 Views
Graendal could fight Lanfear and win Sidious - 13/09/2009 06:01:57 PM 1569 Views
Graendal herself says... Shannow - 13/09/2009 09:08:46 PM 1023 Views
Re: Graendal herself says... Sidious - 14/09/2009 04:48:37 AM 1089 Views
Doesn't Graendal have an Angreal now? Rurouni_Kenshin - 17/09/2009 03:29:10 AM 1114 Views
Re: Graendal herself says... Lanfear - 15/09/2009 05:36:53 PM 949 Views
Lanfear was more powerful than Graendal, but Cyndane has less power beetnemesis - 13/09/2009 10:19:35 PM 1027 Views
Re: So is graendal similar to lanfear then? Watcher - 13/09/2009 06:05:11 PM 1199 Views
I agree with this Sidious - 13/09/2009 06:15:24 PM 1167 Views
Compulsion=any other deadly weave. Doesn't really change matters beetnemesis - 13/09/2009 10:23:40 PM 1058 Views
Excellent point *NM* Shannow - 13/09/2009 10:35:08 PM 576 Views
But it did give her an edge, and against two forsaken. *NM* fionwe1987 - 13/09/2009 11:12:09 PM 536 Views
Hm? When? *NM* beetnemesis - 14/09/2009 09:04:10 PM 484 Views
tPoD, when she compelled Cyndane and Moghedien. *NM* fionwe1987 - 14/09/2009 10:19:23 PM 524 Views
Not at all Sidious - 14/09/2009 04:51:48 AM 1104 Views
Using Compulsion on someone doesn't seem mechanically different beetnemesis - 14/09/2009 09:03:41 PM 950 Views
I'm not so sure about that Sidious - 14/09/2009 09:36:45 PM 1047 Views
Totally agree Shannow - 14/09/2009 10:26:07 PM 882 Views
I don't agree. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 15/09/2009 04:33:04 PM 1169 Views
Re: So is graendal similar to lanfear then? RugbyPlayingAshaman - 14/09/2009 04:34:24 PM 986 Views
But Graendal confronted her... twice! *NM* fionwe1987 - 13/09/2009 07:48:29 PM 494 Views
Apparently only the third time counts *NM* Sidious - 13/09/2009 08:00:37 PM 539 Views
But the third time's supposed to be lucky. So that won't count either. *NM* fionwe1987 - 13/09/2009 11:26:18 PM 558 Views
Really? Shannow - 13/09/2009 08:36:33 PM 1029 Views
No falsely... fionwe1987 - 13/09/2009 11:25:40 PM 1255 Views
That's pretty much my opinion in a nutshell Sidious - 14/09/2009 04:56:15 AM 1206 Views
And, of course, the male and female OP strength ranks might not even correlate that much RugbyPlayingAshaman - 14/09/2009 04:41:58 PM 964 Views
They correlate on some critical points Sidious - 14/09/2009 06:57:43 PM 1170 Views
That's not exactly what I'm referring to. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 15/09/2009 04:36:29 PM 926 Views
But then we are discussing the same thing Sidious - 15/09/2009 06:59:04 PM 1069 Views
I think, outside of semantics, our main disagreement doesn't lie amid the higher tiers RugbyPlayingAshaman - 16/09/2009 03:53:09 PM 934 Views
Probably Sidious - 16/09/2009 06:31:27 PM 1076 Views
Re: Probably RugbyPlayingAshaman - 16/09/2009 07:19:03 PM 1035 Views
Re: Probably Sidious - 16/09/2009 08:59:31 PM 1035 Views
Re: Probably RugbyPlayingAshaman - 18/09/2009 07:03:09 PM 1365 Views
Ahh the old debate... fionwe1987 - 17/09/2009 12:42:36 AM 998 Views
Re: Ahh the old debate... Sidious - 17/09/2009 05:26:52 AM 958 Views
I only disagree on one point, I think they are all rather equal in potential, incl. Ishamael RugbyPlayingAshaman - 14/09/2009 04:28:12 PM 1070 Views
I do think Ishamel is special Sidious - 14/09/2009 07:04:03 PM 1135 Views
He's special the same way any individual is special. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 14/09/2009 11:36:42 PM 1097 Views
Re: He's special the same way any individual is special. Sidious - 15/09/2009 08:36:20 AM 1048 Views
Re: He's special the same way any individual is special. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 15/09/2009 03:48:34 PM 1029 Views
Re: He's special the same way any individual is special. Sidious - 15/09/2009 04:39:39 PM 1037 Views
Re: He's special the same way any individual is special. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 15/09/2009 04:53:00 PM 1024 Views
Re: He's special the same way any individual is special. Sidious - 15/09/2009 06:47:45 PM 1063 Views
The more interesting question is... AgentOrange - 14/09/2009 06:34:11 PM 945 Views
Hmmm Sidious - 14/09/2009 07:04:34 PM 1041 Views
I think we'll see Graendal vs. Aran'gar. fionwe1987 - 14/09/2009 07:31:16 PM 1074 Views
Ah yes, that makes sense, and would be great! *NM* Sidious - 14/09/2009 07:40:29 PM 913 Views
Yeah. Though I think its no competition. Graendal has got to be better than a walking tree! fionwe1987 - 14/09/2009 07:50:09 PM 975 Views
They do imply that Graendal is a lot more dangerous than she looks beetnemesis - 14/09/2009 09:08:43 PM 990 Views
I've never underestimated Graendal Sidious - 14/09/2009 09:42:49 PM 1024 Views
Yeah... her frivolity was always a red flag for me too. fionwe1987 - 14/09/2009 10:18:40 PM 1075 Views
To me, she is the most lethal. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 15/09/2009 05:18:10 PM 814 Views
Yup... fionwe1987 - 15/09/2009 06:39:20 PM 866 Views
I still like Lanfear more Sidious - 15/09/2009 06:51:03 PM 957 Views
Bah! She's an idiot! fionwe1987 - 15/09/2009 07:06:06 PM 972 Views
only in love *NM* Sidious - 15/09/2009 07:23:29 PM 932 Views
Graendal did not beat me and Moghedien Lanfear - 15/09/2009 05:59:39 PM 1088 Views
Agreed Sidious - 15/09/2009 06:36:48 PM 941 Views
Ummm... how do we know? fionwe1987 - 15/09/2009 06:40:57 PM 1078 Views
Re: Ummm... how do we know? Sidious - 15/09/2009 06:56:21 PM 986 Views
Hmmm... fionwe1987 - 15/09/2009 07:07:45 PM 1181 Views
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