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The Big White Book says... Yvves Send a noteboard - 12/09/2009 11:46:43 PM
Page 50: Foremost of the thirteen who formed the high council of the Shadow's forces was Ishamael. Believed to be the most powerful of the Chosen in the use of the One Power, he was equaled by none but Lews Therin Telamon himself.


Which clearly puts Ishamael first.

Page 53: The second most powerful man, ... Aginor, came close to rivaling Lews Therin and Ishamael in strength.


Which puts Aginor right behind Ishamael and Lews Therin.

Page 61: The most powerful of the female Forsaken, possibly the most powerful of all next to Ishamael, was Lanfear.


Which puts Lanfear greater than or equal to Aginor, right behind Lews Therin and Ishamael.

Either Lanfear or Aginor. I'm leaning towards Lanfear, which is how I voted before I even consulted the book. Yay gut instinct!
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The top 6 Forsaken - similar in the One Power Sidious - 12/09/2009 09:27:20 PM 1972 Views
Some thoughts about Semmy Lordling - 12/09/2009 09:59:50 PM 1139 Views
Re: Some thoughts about Semmy Sidious - 13/09/2009 08:33:28 AM 1232 Views
Of course... Digital_Eon - 13/09/2009 08:36:39 AM 1002 Views
I've been thinking the same for years Dragonsworn - 12/09/2009 11:25:02 PM 1121 Views
The Big White Book says... Yvves - 12/09/2009 11:46:43 PM 1189 Views
Not Aginor Sidious - 13/09/2009 08:36:37 AM 1184 Views
Re: Not Aginor NaClH2O - 13/09/2009 03:16:13 PM 1089 Views
Re: Not Aginor Sidious - 13/09/2009 05:47:14 PM 1135 Views
Fact is, the bwb is untrustworthy Shannow - 13/09/2009 05:54:28 PM 1054 Views
We must either use all the quotes from the BWB or none of them Sidious - 13/09/2009 06:07:46 PM 1094 Views
Or... Shannow - 13/09/2009 08:41:23 PM 1035 Views
Re: Or... Sidious - 14/09/2009 04:46:52 AM 1024 Views
But, RJ himself said that the BWB was written from the standpoint of a scholar RugbyPlayingAshaman - 14/09/2009 04:42:59 PM 1082 Views
Re: Not Aginor NaClH2O - 13/09/2009 08:17:28 PM 1010 Views
It all depends on how you define "powerful" Lanfear - 14/09/2009 02:30:31 AM 1112 Views
I agree 101%. *NM* Yvves - 14/09/2009 03:49:51 AM 552 Views
I think power is much more than raw strength Sidious - 14/09/2009 05:00:10 AM 1025 Views
I agree for the most part, but disagree on one thing. Lanfear - 14/09/2009 07:52:10 PM 1204 Views
Re: The top 6 Forsaken - similar in the One Power Bulgakov - 12/09/2009 11:48:03 PM 1031 Views
the other reason NaClH2O - 13/09/2009 03:24:24 PM 965 Views
So is graendal similar to lanfear then? Shannow - 13/09/2009 05:41:42 PM 972 Views
Graendal could fight Lanfear and win Sidious - 13/09/2009 06:01:57 PM 1548 Views
Graendal herself says... Shannow - 13/09/2009 09:08:46 PM 1002 Views
Re: Graendal herself says... Sidious - 14/09/2009 04:48:37 AM 1061 Views
Doesn't Graendal have an Angreal now? Rurouni_Kenshin - 17/09/2009 03:29:10 AM 1088 Views
Re: Graendal herself says... Lanfear - 15/09/2009 05:36:53 PM 932 Views
Lanfear was more powerful than Graendal, but Cyndane has less power beetnemesis - 13/09/2009 10:19:35 PM 1003 Views
Re: So is graendal similar to lanfear then? Watcher - 13/09/2009 06:05:11 PM 1169 Views
I agree with this Sidious - 13/09/2009 06:15:24 PM 1146 Views
Compulsion=any other deadly weave. Doesn't really change matters beetnemesis - 13/09/2009 10:23:40 PM 1031 Views
Excellent point *NM* Shannow - 13/09/2009 10:35:08 PM 561 Views
But it did give her an edge, and against two forsaken. *NM* fionwe1987 - 13/09/2009 11:12:09 PM 527 Views
Hm? When? *NM* beetnemesis - 14/09/2009 09:04:10 PM 469 Views
tPoD, when she compelled Cyndane and Moghedien. *NM* fionwe1987 - 14/09/2009 10:19:23 PM 509 Views
Not at all Sidious - 14/09/2009 04:51:48 AM 1081 Views
Using Compulsion on someone doesn't seem mechanically different beetnemesis - 14/09/2009 09:03:41 PM 928 Views
I'm not so sure about that Sidious - 14/09/2009 09:36:45 PM 1019 Views
Totally agree Shannow - 14/09/2009 10:26:07 PM 859 Views
I don't agree. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 15/09/2009 04:33:04 PM 1142 Views
Re: So is graendal similar to lanfear then? RugbyPlayingAshaman - 14/09/2009 04:34:24 PM 965 Views
But Graendal confronted her... twice! *NM* fionwe1987 - 13/09/2009 07:48:29 PM 479 Views
Apparently only the third time counts *NM* Sidious - 13/09/2009 08:00:37 PM 529 Views
But the third time's supposed to be lucky. So that won't count either. *NM* fionwe1987 - 13/09/2009 11:26:18 PM 545 Views
Really? Shannow - 13/09/2009 08:36:33 PM 1009 Views
No falsely... fionwe1987 - 13/09/2009 11:25:40 PM 1231 Views
That's pretty much my opinion in a nutshell Sidious - 14/09/2009 04:56:15 AM 1181 Views
And, of course, the male and female OP strength ranks might not even correlate that much RugbyPlayingAshaman - 14/09/2009 04:41:58 PM 940 Views
They correlate on some critical points Sidious - 14/09/2009 06:57:43 PM 1146 Views
That's not exactly what I'm referring to. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 15/09/2009 04:36:29 PM 906 Views
But then we are discussing the same thing Sidious - 15/09/2009 06:59:04 PM 1038 Views
I think, outside of semantics, our main disagreement doesn't lie amid the higher tiers RugbyPlayingAshaman - 16/09/2009 03:53:09 PM 905 Views
Probably Sidious - 16/09/2009 06:31:27 PM 1048 Views
Re: Probably RugbyPlayingAshaman - 16/09/2009 07:19:03 PM 1010 Views
Re: Probably Sidious - 16/09/2009 08:59:31 PM 1014 Views
Re: Probably RugbyPlayingAshaman - 18/09/2009 07:03:09 PM 1341 Views
Ahh the old debate... fionwe1987 - 17/09/2009 12:42:36 AM 974 Views
Re: Ahh the old debate... Sidious - 17/09/2009 05:26:52 AM 937 Views
I only disagree on one point, I think they are all rather equal in potential, incl. Ishamael RugbyPlayingAshaman - 14/09/2009 04:28:12 PM 1044 Views
I do think Ishamel is special Sidious - 14/09/2009 07:04:03 PM 1115 Views
He's special the same way any individual is special. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 14/09/2009 11:36:42 PM 1069 Views
Re: He's special the same way any individual is special. Sidious - 15/09/2009 08:36:20 AM 1028 Views
Re: He's special the same way any individual is special. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 15/09/2009 03:48:34 PM 1009 Views
Re: He's special the same way any individual is special. Sidious - 15/09/2009 04:39:39 PM 1014 Views
Re: He's special the same way any individual is special. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 15/09/2009 04:53:00 PM 1000 Views
Re: He's special the same way any individual is special. Sidious - 15/09/2009 06:47:45 PM 1036 Views
The more interesting question is... AgentOrange - 14/09/2009 06:34:11 PM 927 Views
Hmmm Sidious - 14/09/2009 07:04:34 PM 1023 Views
I think we'll see Graendal vs. Aran'gar. fionwe1987 - 14/09/2009 07:31:16 PM 1049 Views
Ah yes, that makes sense, and would be great! *NM* Sidious - 14/09/2009 07:40:29 PM 886 Views
Yeah. Though I think its no competition. Graendal has got to be better than a walking tree! fionwe1987 - 14/09/2009 07:50:09 PM 937 Views
They do imply that Graendal is a lot more dangerous than she looks beetnemesis - 14/09/2009 09:08:43 PM 965 Views
I've never underestimated Graendal Sidious - 14/09/2009 09:42:49 PM 1008 Views
Yeah... her frivolity was always a red flag for me too. fionwe1987 - 14/09/2009 10:18:40 PM 1052 Views
To me, she is the most lethal. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 15/09/2009 05:18:10 PM 787 Views
Yup... fionwe1987 - 15/09/2009 06:39:20 PM 845 Views
I still like Lanfear more Sidious - 15/09/2009 06:51:03 PM 933 Views
Bah! She's an idiot! fionwe1987 - 15/09/2009 07:06:06 PM 953 Views
only in love *NM* Sidious - 15/09/2009 07:23:29 PM 908 Views
Graendal did not beat me and Moghedien Lanfear - 15/09/2009 05:59:39 PM 1047 Views
Agreed Sidious - 15/09/2009 06:36:48 PM 923 Views
Ummm... how do we know? fionwe1987 - 15/09/2009 06:40:57 PM 1056 Views
Re: Ummm... how do we know? Sidious - 15/09/2009 06:56:21 PM 962 Views
Hmmm... fionwe1987 - 15/09/2009 07:07:45 PM 1158 Views
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