When Cameron was in Egypt land, let my Cameron go
newyorkersedai Send a noteboard - 02/10/2010 08:45:55 PM
Beyond the obvious, Rand is one with the land; There is a big parallel to the biblical Moses in Chapter 1. Rand (Moses) descending from Dragonmount (Sinai) to speak to the Amrylin (Pharaoh) with a message they won't like.
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Well, being one with the land was never a Bible-thing, that I recall. Jesus' stigmata were never reflected on the earth, nor Moses' sufferings, nor did A&E's physical state affect the earth. Refresh me if I forgot something here. That particular trope about the land & its king/savior is straight out of many other legends and stories, Arthurian tales especially.
When comes to things that seem like allusions or such, keep in mind that certain things are always going to appear. So: brothers, parents, mountains, rivers, valleys, war, swords, dead bodies, numbers like 1, 3, 7, or 12 - these are all things that are going to pop up. I've never read the Koran, but I'm pretty sure there's something big involving Mohammad and a mountain as well.
Religion or myth = abundant use of story-telling tropes; it's part of how they (a) have a shot at connecting to people "universally," and (b) connect well enough to be remembered. Most places have something like a mountain, so any place where myths were invented, they probably threw the mountain in the story because (a) they seem connected to the heavens and (b) mountains can be worked in to stories in a lot of ways. Ducks and cats, sadly, are not used as often as I would like.
I do like the allusion that you point out, however. I sincerely hope that Egwene doesn't make such a response that a cloud of evil goes around killing people! Oh wait.
This message last edited by newyorkersedai on 02/10/2010 at 08:52:03 PM
Chapter 1 released
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Not too much new to work with. Is "she" Egwene? Cads? Someone else? *NM*
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Well damn. Was that Buddha?
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This blaming Brandon for everything stuff is getting old.
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I've never blamed BS for anything (expect fucking up Mat's character)
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BOOOOO I want Sunshine and Rainbows damnit
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Poorly written, but I still got goosebumps at Rand's importance finally being demonstrated...
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"My father’s estates do produce lumber and fine woods, and ice peppers, and furs, and more besides."
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It's the style. In the Randland context, the word "grows" is more appropriate...
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did you not read my reply title? That was a quote from The Shadow Rising, same exact context. *NM*
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Fine. So be it. It still feels wrong to me. *NM*
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but it's all RJ's fault
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Maybe it's in the context of BS's sentences...
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I feel bad for you. I really do.
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Yes it does. But it is not conscious. It comes from 15 years of growing up reading Wot..
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As if the rest of us haven't been reading for just as long.
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I've been reading the series sinc e EoTW hit bookshelves circa 1990
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It sounds like Rand is finally growing up
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He has achieved enlightenment and knows more than everyone else, so he doesn't have to be insecure..
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I don't agree - I think that what he is going to tell Egwene will be unpleasant for everyone.
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Why would that upset her?
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I tend to agree
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Nonsense
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Re: Nonsense
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seriously! Read what Egwene actually says sometime...
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Re: seriously! Read what Egwene actually says sometime...
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want to back that up with an actual quote from Egwene's mouth?
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Re: want to back that up with an actual quote from Egwene's mouth?
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Yes, but her comment is far closer to the truth than his!
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I'd say
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just like Egwene is 100% correct about AS being compelled
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Re: just like Egwene is 100% correct about AS being compelled
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And Egwene was the only person to do things like this? Elayne made a huge public show
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I am so confused...
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That may have been an indirect result of using the TP, rather than a direct one
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I'm surprised no one has discussed Seanchan yet
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Moridin....
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I've seen it theorized (before chapter 1 was released) that
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Re:TOM Chapter 1 Biblical Parallel
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When Cameron was in Egypt land, let my Cameron go
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dammit how am i supposed to read this without reading the prologue first?
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You assume the supply of Souls is finite
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Yes
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you assume that a soul is tainted forever and not returned to a nutral state upon death.
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O... you assume I don't know my stuff
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ARGH! Spoilers! Spoilers! MINE EYES!!!!
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Or at least not click the threads CLEARLY designated as being about ToM.
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