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Re: Some thoughts about Semmy Sidious Send a noteboard - 13/09/2009 08:33:28 AM

Demandred, Lanfear, Semirhage, Graendal and Sammael could probably duel one another with unpredictable results, and the result would be 50-50 if they dueled a hundred times. It makes them inferior to Ishamael and Lews Therin, but not to each other.

I sincerely doubt that Semirhage is up to par with Sammael, Lanfear or Demandred when it comes to dueling, considering how badly she managed in Kod. She's certainly skilled in her area of expertise, but in a battle Demandred would overwhelm her before she could form a single one of her sophisticated torture weaves which she certainly would revert to using in a battle, same as Graendal would try to use Compulsion.

But Semirhage did not manage badly in KoD. There is no Forsaken who could have defeated Logain, Cadsuane, Nynaeve, Narishma and Sandomere at the same time. On the contrary, Nynaeve thinks that if she hadn't been holding the Power from the beginning, she would have been in trouble.

Also, Mesaana thinks she's as capable in the Power as Semmy, yet Mesaana is subservient-ish to Demandred. How then could Semmy and Demandred be equal in a OP duel?

Mesaana does not specifically mention the One Power, and she feels uneasy around Semirhage despite what she says. RJ also said that a Forsaken's estimation of their abilities is always a lie, because they are unwilling to admit any fallibility. Mesaana is also not subservient to Demandred on any account - she merely recognizes that he would have been the second most acclaimed man of the Age after Lews Therin. In KoD, Demandred and Semirhage flank Mesaana, and Semirhage shows no deference to Demandred at all.
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The top 6 Forsaken - similar in the One Power Sidious - 12/09/2009 09:27:20 PM 2171 Views
Some thoughts about Semmy Lordling - 12/09/2009 09:59:50 PM 1189 Views
Re: Some thoughts about Semmy Sidious - 13/09/2009 08:33:28 AM 1296 Views
Of course... Digital_Eon - 13/09/2009 08:36:39 AM 1043 Views
I've been thinking the same for years Dragonsworn - 12/09/2009 11:25:02 PM 1159 Views
The Big White Book says... Yvves - 12/09/2009 11:46:43 PM 1245 Views
Not Aginor Sidious - 13/09/2009 08:36:37 AM 1232 Views
Re: Not Aginor NaClH2O - 13/09/2009 03:16:13 PM 1134 Views
Re: Not Aginor Sidious - 13/09/2009 05:47:14 PM 1201 Views
Fact is, the bwb is untrustworthy Shannow - 13/09/2009 05:54:28 PM 1108 Views
We must either use all the quotes from the BWB or none of them Sidious - 13/09/2009 06:07:46 PM 1157 Views
Or... Shannow - 13/09/2009 08:41:23 PM 1089 Views
Re: Or... Sidious - 14/09/2009 04:46:52 AM 1080 Views
But, RJ himself said that the BWB was written from the standpoint of a scholar RugbyPlayingAshaman - 14/09/2009 04:42:59 PM 1138 Views
Re: Not Aginor NaClH2O - 13/09/2009 08:17:28 PM 1069 Views
It all depends on how you define "powerful" Lanfear - 14/09/2009 02:30:31 AM 1155 Views
I agree 101%. *NM* Yvves - 14/09/2009 03:49:51 AM 576 Views
I think power is much more than raw strength Sidious - 14/09/2009 05:00:10 AM 1096 Views
I agree for the most part, but disagree on one thing. Lanfear - 14/09/2009 07:52:10 PM 1269 Views
Re: The top 6 Forsaken - similar in the One Power Bulgakov - 12/09/2009 11:48:03 PM 1087 Views
the other reason NaClH2O - 13/09/2009 03:24:24 PM 1026 Views
So is graendal similar to lanfear then? Shannow - 13/09/2009 05:41:42 PM 1010 Views
Graendal could fight Lanfear and win Sidious - 13/09/2009 06:01:57 PM 1609 Views
Graendal herself says... Shannow - 13/09/2009 09:08:46 PM 1060 Views
Re: Graendal herself says... Sidious - 14/09/2009 04:48:37 AM 1128 Views
Doesn't Graendal have an Angreal now? Rurouni_Kenshin - 17/09/2009 03:29:10 AM 1159 Views
Re: Graendal herself says... Lanfear - 15/09/2009 05:36:53 PM 976 Views
Lanfear was more powerful than Graendal, but Cyndane has less power beetnemesis - 13/09/2009 10:19:35 PM 1060 Views
Re: So is graendal similar to lanfear then? Watcher - 13/09/2009 06:05:11 PM 1238 Views
I agree with this Sidious - 13/09/2009 06:15:24 PM 1200 Views
Compulsion=any other deadly weave. Doesn't really change matters beetnemesis - 13/09/2009 10:23:40 PM 1086 Views
Excellent point *NM* Shannow - 13/09/2009 10:35:08 PM 600 Views
But it did give her an edge, and against two forsaken. *NM* fionwe1987 - 13/09/2009 11:12:09 PM 556 Views
Hm? When? *NM* beetnemesis - 14/09/2009 09:04:10 PM 504 Views
tPoD, when she compelled Cyndane and Moghedien. *NM* fionwe1987 - 14/09/2009 10:19:23 PM 547 Views
Not at all Sidious - 14/09/2009 04:51:48 AM 1135 Views
Using Compulsion on someone doesn't seem mechanically different beetnemesis - 14/09/2009 09:03:41 PM 996 Views
I'm not so sure about that Sidious - 14/09/2009 09:36:45 PM 1086 Views
Totally agree Shannow - 14/09/2009 10:26:07 PM 909 Views
I don't agree. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 15/09/2009 04:33:04 PM 1213 Views
Re: So is graendal similar to lanfear then? RugbyPlayingAshaman - 14/09/2009 04:34:24 PM 1022 Views
But Graendal confronted her... twice! *NM* fionwe1987 - 13/09/2009 07:48:29 PM 522 Views
Apparently only the third time counts *NM* Sidious - 13/09/2009 08:00:37 PM 561 Views
But the third time's supposed to be lucky. So that won't count either. *NM* fionwe1987 - 13/09/2009 11:26:18 PM 585 Views
Really? Shannow - 13/09/2009 08:36:33 PM 1065 Views
No falsely... fionwe1987 - 13/09/2009 11:25:40 PM 1304 Views
That's pretty much my opinion in a nutshell Sidious - 14/09/2009 04:56:15 AM 1252 Views
And, of course, the male and female OP strength ranks might not even correlate that much RugbyPlayingAshaman - 14/09/2009 04:41:58 PM 1004 Views
They correlate on some critical points Sidious - 14/09/2009 06:57:43 PM 1203 Views
That's not exactly what I'm referring to. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 15/09/2009 04:36:29 PM 957 Views
But then we are discussing the same thing Sidious - 15/09/2009 06:59:04 PM 1103 Views
I think, outside of semantics, our main disagreement doesn't lie amid the higher tiers RugbyPlayingAshaman - 16/09/2009 03:53:09 PM 966 Views
Probably Sidious - 16/09/2009 06:31:27 PM 1119 Views
Re: Probably RugbyPlayingAshaman - 16/09/2009 07:19:03 PM 1067 Views
Re: Probably Sidious - 16/09/2009 08:59:31 PM 1080 Views
Re: Probably RugbyPlayingAshaman - 18/09/2009 07:03:09 PM 1411 Views
Ahh the old debate... fionwe1987 - 17/09/2009 12:42:36 AM 1025 Views
Re: Ahh the old debate... Sidious - 17/09/2009 05:26:52 AM 989 Views
I only disagree on one point, I think they are all rather equal in potential, incl. Ishamael RugbyPlayingAshaman - 14/09/2009 04:28:12 PM 1115 Views
I do think Ishamel is special Sidious - 14/09/2009 07:04:03 PM 1179 Views
He's special the same way any individual is special. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 14/09/2009 11:36:42 PM 1131 Views
Re: He's special the same way any individual is special. Sidious - 15/09/2009 08:36:20 AM 1085 Views
Re: He's special the same way any individual is special. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 15/09/2009 03:48:34 PM 1054 Views
Re: He's special the same way any individual is special. Sidious - 15/09/2009 04:39:39 PM 1075 Views
Re: He's special the same way any individual is special. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 15/09/2009 04:53:00 PM 1059 Views
Re: He's special the same way any individual is special. Sidious - 15/09/2009 06:47:45 PM 1096 Views
The more interesting question is... AgentOrange - 14/09/2009 06:34:11 PM 976 Views
Hmmm Sidious - 14/09/2009 07:04:34 PM 1075 Views
I think we'll see Graendal vs. Aran'gar. fionwe1987 - 14/09/2009 07:31:16 PM 1120 Views
Ah yes, that makes sense, and would be great! *NM* Sidious - 14/09/2009 07:40:29 PM 946 Views
Yeah. Though I think its no competition. Graendal has got to be better than a walking tree! fionwe1987 - 14/09/2009 07:50:09 PM 1009 Views
They do imply that Graendal is a lot more dangerous than she looks beetnemesis - 14/09/2009 09:08:43 PM 1025 Views
I've never underestimated Graendal Sidious - 14/09/2009 09:42:49 PM 1048 Views
Yeah... her frivolity was always a red flag for me too. fionwe1987 - 14/09/2009 10:18:40 PM 1114 Views
To me, she is the most lethal. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 15/09/2009 05:18:10 PM 841 Views
Yup... fionwe1987 - 15/09/2009 06:39:20 PM 890 Views
I still like Lanfear more Sidious - 15/09/2009 06:51:03 PM 988 Views
Bah! She's an idiot! fionwe1987 - 15/09/2009 07:06:06 PM 1003 Views
only in love *NM* Sidious - 15/09/2009 07:23:29 PM 967 Views
Graendal did not beat me and Moghedien Lanfear - 15/09/2009 05:59:39 PM 1136 Views
Agreed Sidious - 15/09/2009 06:36:48 PM 970 Views
Ummm... how do we know? fionwe1987 - 15/09/2009 06:40:57 PM 1104 Views
Re: Ummm... how do we know? Sidious - 15/09/2009 06:56:21 PM 1008 Views
Hmmm... fionwe1987 - 15/09/2009 07:07:45 PM 1207 Views
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