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Re: Some thoughts about Semmy Sidious Send a noteboard - 13/09/2009 08:33:28 AM

Demandred, Lanfear, Semirhage, Graendal and Sammael could probably duel one another with unpredictable results, and the result would be 50-50 if they dueled a hundred times. It makes them inferior to Ishamael and Lews Therin, but not to each other.

I sincerely doubt that Semirhage is up to par with Sammael, Lanfear or Demandred when it comes to dueling, considering how badly she managed in Kod. She's certainly skilled in her area of expertise, but in a battle Demandred would overwhelm her before she could form a single one of her sophisticated torture weaves which she certainly would revert to using in a battle, same as Graendal would try to use Compulsion.

But Semirhage did not manage badly in KoD. There is no Forsaken who could have defeated Logain, Cadsuane, Nynaeve, Narishma and Sandomere at the same time. On the contrary, Nynaeve thinks that if she hadn't been holding the Power from the beginning, she would have been in trouble.

Also, Mesaana thinks she's as capable in the Power as Semmy, yet Mesaana is subservient-ish to Demandred. How then could Semmy and Demandred be equal in a OP duel?

Mesaana does not specifically mention the One Power, and she feels uneasy around Semirhage despite what she says. RJ also said that a Forsaken's estimation of their abilities is always a lie, because they are unwilling to admit any fallibility. Mesaana is also not subservient to Demandred on any account - she merely recognizes that he would have been the second most acclaimed man of the Age after Lews Therin. In KoD, Demandred and Semirhage flank Mesaana, and Semirhage shows no deference to Demandred at all.
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The top 6 Forsaken - similar in the One Power Sidious - 12/09/2009 09:27:20 PM 1888 Views
Some thoughts about Semmy Lordling - 12/09/2009 09:59:50 PM 1063 Views
Re: Some thoughts about Semmy Sidious - 13/09/2009 08:33:28 AM 1131 Views
Of course... Digital_Eon - 13/09/2009 08:36:39 AM 923 Views
I've been thinking the same for years Dragonsworn - 12/09/2009 11:25:02 PM 1041 Views
The Big White Book says... Yvves - 12/09/2009 11:46:43 PM 1105 Views
Not Aginor Sidious - 13/09/2009 08:36:37 AM 1111 Views
Re: Not Aginor NaClH2O - 13/09/2009 03:16:13 PM 1021 Views
Re: Not Aginor Sidious - 13/09/2009 05:47:14 PM 1062 Views
Fact is, the bwb is untrustworthy Shannow - 13/09/2009 05:54:28 PM 979 Views
We must either use all the quotes from the BWB or none of them Sidious - 13/09/2009 06:07:46 PM 1013 Views
Or... Shannow - 13/09/2009 08:41:23 PM 959 Views
Re: Or... Sidious - 14/09/2009 04:46:52 AM 922 Views
But, RJ himself said that the BWB was written from the standpoint of a scholar RugbyPlayingAshaman - 14/09/2009 04:42:59 PM 1007 Views
Re: Not Aginor NaClH2O - 13/09/2009 08:17:28 PM 925 Views
It all depends on how you define "powerful" Lanfear - 14/09/2009 02:30:31 AM 1030 Views
I agree 101%. *NM* Yvves - 14/09/2009 03:49:51 AM 518 Views
I think power is much more than raw strength Sidious - 14/09/2009 05:00:10 AM 937 Views
I agree for the most part, but disagree on one thing. Lanfear - 14/09/2009 07:52:10 PM 1097 Views
Re: The top 6 Forsaken - similar in the One Power Bulgakov - 12/09/2009 11:48:03 PM 969 Views
the other reason NaClH2O - 13/09/2009 03:24:24 PM 892 Views
So is graendal similar to lanfear then? Shannow - 13/09/2009 05:41:42 PM 895 Views
Graendal could fight Lanfear and win Sidious - 13/09/2009 06:01:57 PM 1479 Views
Graendal herself says... Shannow - 13/09/2009 09:08:46 PM 923 Views
Re: Graendal herself says... Sidious - 14/09/2009 04:48:37 AM 981 Views
Doesn't Graendal have an Angreal now? Rurouni_Kenshin - 17/09/2009 03:29:10 AM 999 Views
Re: Graendal herself says... Lanfear - 15/09/2009 05:36:53 PM 862 Views
Lanfear was more powerful than Graendal, but Cyndane has less power beetnemesis - 13/09/2009 10:19:35 PM 925 Views
Re: So is graendal similar to lanfear then? Watcher - 13/09/2009 06:05:11 PM 1084 Views
I agree with this Sidious - 13/09/2009 06:15:24 PM 1077 Views
Compulsion=any other deadly weave. Doesn't really change matters beetnemesis - 13/09/2009 10:23:40 PM 951 Views
Excellent point *NM* Shannow - 13/09/2009 10:35:08 PM 528 Views
But it did give her an edge, and against two forsaken. *NM* fionwe1987 - 13/09/2009 11:12:09 PM 494 Views
Hm? When? *NM* beetnemesis - 14/09/2009 09:04:10 PM 432 Views
tPoD, when she compelled Cyndane and Moghedien. *NM* fionwe1987 - 14/09/2009 10:19:23 PM 470 Views
Not at all Sidious - 14/09/2009 04:51:48 AM 999 Views
Using Compulsion on someone doesn't seem mechanically different beetnemesis - 14/09/2009 09:03:41 PM 852 Views
I'm not so sure about that Sidious - 14/09/2009 09:36:45 PM 933 Views
Totally agree Shannow - 14/09/2009 10:26:07 PM 788 Views
I don't agree. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 15/09/2009 04:33:04 PM 1060 Views
Re: So is graendal similar to lanfear then? RugbyPlayingAshaman - 14/09/2009 04:34:24 PM 884 Views
But Graendal confronted her... twice! *NM* fionwe1987 - 13/09/2009 07:48:29 PM 445 Views
Apparently only the third time counts *NM* Sidious - 13/09/2009 08:00:37 PM 486 Views
But the third time's supposed to be lucky. So that won't count either. *NM* fionwe1987 - 13/09/2009 11:26:18 PM 509 Views
Really? Shannow - 13/09/2009 08:36:33 PM 922 Views
No falsely... fionwe1987 - 13/09/2009 11:25:40 PM 1144 Views
That's pretty much my opinion in a nutshell Sidious - 14/09/2009 04:56:15 AM 1103 Views
And, of course, the male and female OP strength ranks might not even correlate that much RugbyPlayingAshaman - 14/09/2009 04:41:58 PM 859 Views
They correlate on some critical points Sidious - 14/09/2009 06:57:43 PM 1062 Views
That's not exactly what I'm referring to. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 15/09/2009 04:36:29 PM 814 Views
But then we are discussing the same thing Sidious - 15/09/2009 06:59:04 PM 947 Views
I think, outside of semantics, our main disagreement doesn't lie amid the higher tiers RugbyPlayingAshaman - 16/09/2009 03:53:09 PM 821 Views
Probably Sidious - 16/09/2009 06:31:27 PM 966 Views
Re: Probably RugbyPlayingAshaman - 16/09/2009 07:19:03 PM 937 Views
Re: Probably Sidious - 16/09/2009 08:59:31 PM 924 Views
Re: Probably RugbyPlayingAshaman - 18/09/2009 07:03:09 PM 1267 Views
Ahh the old debate... fionwe1987 - 17/09/2009 12:42:36 AM 902 Views
Re: Ahh the old debate... Sidious - 17/09/2009 05:26:52 AM 871 Views
I only disagree on one point, I think they are all rather equal in potential, incl. Ishamael RugbyPlayingAshaman - 14/09/2009 04:28:12 PM 954 Views
I do think Ishamel is special Sidious - 14/09/2009 07:04:03 PM 1029 Views
He's special the same way any individual is special. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 14/09/2009 11:36:42 PM 991 Views
Re: He's special the same way any individual is special. Sidious - 15/09/2009 08:36:20 AM 958 Views
Re: He's special the same way any individual is special. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 15/09/2009 03:48:34 PM 942 Views
Re: He's special the same way any individual is special. Sidious - 15/09/2009 04:39:39 PM 910 Views
Re: He's special the same way any individual is special. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 15/09/2009 04:53:00 PM 920 Views
Re: He's special the same way any individual is special. Sidious - 15/09/2009 06:47:45 PM 965 Views
The more interesting question is... AgentOrange - 14/09/2009 06:34:11 PM 853 Views
Hmmm Sidious - 14/09/2009 07:04:34 PM 945 Views
I think we'll see Graendal vs. Aran'gar. fionwe1987 - 14/09/2009 07:31:16 PM 975 Views
Ah yes, that makes sense, and would be great! *NM* Sidious - 14/09/2009 07:40:29 PM 792 Views
Yeah. Though I think its no competition. Graendal has got to be better than a walking tree! fionwe1987 - 14/09/2009 07:50:09 PM 852 Views
They do imply that Graendal is a lot more dangerous than she looks beetnemesis - 14/09/2009 09:08:43 PM 880 Views
I've never underestimated Graendal Sidious - 14/09/2009 09:42:49 PM 933 Views
Yeah... her frivolity was always a red flag for me too. fionwe1987 - 14/09/2009 10:18:40 PM 973 Views
To me, she is the most lethal. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 15/09/2009 05:18:10 PM 722 Views
Yup... fionwe1987 - 15/09/2009 06:39:20 PM 776 Views
I still like Lanfear more Sidious - 15/09/2009 06:51:03 PM 864 Views
Bah! She's an idiot! fionwe1987 - 15/09/2009 07:06:06 PM 872 Views
only in love *NM* Sidious - 15/09/2009 07:23:29 PM 826 Views
Graendal did not beat me and Moghedien Lanfear - 15/09/2009 05:59:39 PM 966 Views
Agreed Sidious - 15/09/2009 06:36:48 PM 853 Views
Ummm... how do we know? fionwe1987 - 15/09/2009 06:40:57 PM 989 Views
Re: Ummm... how do we know? Sidious - 15/09/2009 06:56:21 PM 901 Views
Hmmm... fionwe1987 - 15/09/2009 07:07:45 PM 1096 Views
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