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Re: Some thoughts about Semmy Sidious Send a noteboard - 13/09/2009 08:33:28 AM

Demandred, Lanfear, Semirhage, Graendal and Sammael could probably duel one another with unpredictable results, and the result would be 50-50 if they dueled a hundred times. It makes them inferior to Ishamael and Lews Therin, but not to each other.

I sincerely doubt that Semirhage is up to par with Sammael, Lanfear or Demandred when it comes to dueling, considering how badly she managed in Kod. She's certainly skilled in her area of expertise, but in a battle Demandred would overwhelm her before she could form a single one of her sophisticated torture weaves which she certainly would revert to using in a battle, same as Graendal would try to use Compulsion.

But Semirhage did not manage badly in KoD. There is no Forsaken who could have defeated Logain, Cadsuane, Nynaeve, Narishma and Sandomere at the same time. On the contrary, Nynaeve thinks that if she hadn't been holding the Power from the beginning, she would have been in trouble.

Also, Mesaana thinks she's as capable in the Power as Semmy, yet Mesaana is subservient-ish to Demandred. How then could Semmy and Demandred be equal in a OP duel?

Mesaana does not specifically mention the One Power, and she feels uneasy around Semirhage despite what she says. RJ also said that a Forsaken's estimation of their abilities is always a lie, because they are unwilling to admit any fallibility. Mesaana is also not subservient to Demandred on any account - she merely recognizes that he would have been the second most acclaimed man of the Age after Lews Therin. In KoD, Demandred and Semirhage flank Mesaana, and Semirhage shows no deference to Demandred at all.
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The top 6 Forsaken - similar in the One Power Sidious - 12/09/2009 09:27:20 PM 1749 Views
Some thoughts about Semmy Lordling - 12/09/2009 09:59:50 PM 938 Views
Re: Some thoughts about Semmy Sidious - 13/09/2009 08:33:28 AM 984 Views
Of course... Digital_Eon - 13/09/2009 08:36:39 AM 793 Views
I've been thinking the same for years Dragonsworn - 12/09/2009 11:25:02 PM 902 Views
The Big White Book says... Yvves - 12/09/2009 11:46:43 PM 965 Views
Not Aginor Sidious - 13/09/2009 08:36:37 AM 973 Views
Re: Not Aginor NaClH2O - 13/09/2009 03:16:13 PM 866 Views
Re: Not Aginor Sidious - 13/09/2009 05:47:14 PM 903 Views
Fact is, the bwb is untrustworthy Shannow - 13/09/2009 05:54:28 PM 825 Views
We must either use all the quotes from the BWB or none of them Sidious - 13/09/2009 06:07:46 PM 878 Views
Or... Shannow - 13/09/2009 08:41:23 PM 819 Views
Re: Or... Sidious - 14/09/2009 04:46:52 AM 785 Views
But, RJ himself said that the BWB was written from the standpoint of a scholar RugbyPlayingAshaman - 14/09/2009 04:42:59 PM 810 Views
Re: Not Aginor NaClH2O - 13/09/2009 08:17:28 PM 782 Views
It all depends on how you define "powerful" Lanfear - 14/09/2009 02:30:31 AM 900 Views
I agree 101%. *NM* Yvves - 14/09/2009 03:49:51 AM 455 Views
I think power is much more than raw strength Sidious - 14/09/2009 05:00:10 AM 787 Views
I agree for the most part, but disagree on one thing. Lanfear - 14/09/2009 07:52:10 PM 911 Views
Re: The top 6 Forsaken - similar in the One Power Bulgakov - 12/09/2009 11:48:03 PM 833 Views
the other reason NaClH2O - 13/09/2009 03:24:24 PM 765 Views
So is graendal similar to lanfear then? Shannow - 13/09/2009 05:41:42 PM 769 Views
Graendal could fight Lanfear and win Sidious - 13/09/2009 06:01:57 PM 1308 Views
Graendal herself says... Shannow - 13/09/2009 09:08:46 PM 789 Views
Re: Graendal herself says... Sidious - 14/09/2009 04:48:37 AM 813 Views
Doesn't Graendal have an Angreal now? Rurouni_Kenshin - 17/09/2009 03:29:10 AM 830 Views
Re: Graendal herself says... Lanfear - 15/09/2009 05:36:53 PM 702 Views
Lanfear was more powerful than Graendal, but Cyndane has less power beetnemesis - 13/09/2009 10:19:35 PM 778 Views
Re: So is graendal similar to lanfear then? Watcher - 13/09/2009 06:05:11 PM 910 Views
I agree with this Sidious - 13/09/2009 06:15:24 PM 930 Views
Compulsion=any other deadly weave. Doesn't really change matters beetnemesis - 13/09/2009 10:23:40 PM 788 Views
Excellent point *NM* Shannow - 13/09/2009 10:35:08 PM 466 Views
But it did give her an edge, and against two forsaken. *NM* fionwe1987 - 13/09/2009 11:12:09 PM 441 Views
Hm? When? *NM* beetnemesis - 14/09/2009 09:04:10 PM 364 Views
tPoD, when she compelled Cyndane and Moghedien. *NM* fionwe1987 - 14/09/2009 10:19:23 PM 418 Views
Not at all Sidious - 14/09/2009 04:51:48 AM 850 Views
Using Compulsion on someone doesn't seem mechanically different beetnemesis - 14/09/2009 09:03:41 PM 696 Views
I'm not so sure about that Sidious - 14/09/2009 09:36:45 PM 799 Views
Totally agree Shannow - 14/09/2009 10:26:07 PM 605 Views
I don't agree. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 15/09/2009 04:33:04 PM 913 Views
Re: So is graendal similar to lanfear then? RugbyPlayingAshaman - 14/09/2009 04:34:24 PM 750 Views
But Graendal confronted her... twice! *NM* fionwe1987 - 13/09/2009 07:48:29 PM 392 Views
Apparently only the third time counts *NM* Sidious - 13/09/2009 08:00:37 PM 427 Views
But the third time's supposed to be lucky. So that won't count either. *NM* fionwe1987 - 13/09/2009 11:26:18 PM 451 Views
Really? Shannow - 13/09/2009 08:36:33 PM 761 Views
No falsely... fionwe1987 - 13/09/2009 11:25:40 PM 986 Views
That's pretty much my opinion in a nutshell Sidious - 14/09/2009 04:56:15 AM 914 Views
And, of course, the male and female OP strength ranks might not even correlate that much RugbyPlayingAshaman - 14/09/2009 04:41:58 PM 729 Views
They correlate on some critical points Sidious - 14/09/2009 06:57:43 PM 833 Views
That's not exactly what I'm referring to. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 15/09/2009 04:36:29 PM 677 Views
But then we are discussing the same thing Sidious - 15/09/2009 06:59:04 PM 816 Views
I think, outside of semantics, our main disagreement doesn't lie amid the higher tiers RugbyPlayingAshaman - 16/09/2009 03:53:09 PM 691 Views
Probably Sidious - 16/09/2009 06:31:27 PM 837 Views
Re: Probably RugbyPlayingAshaman - 16/09/2009 07:19:03 PM 801 Views
Re: Probably Sidious - 16/09/2009 08:59:31 PM 756 Views
Re: Probably RugbyPlayingAshaman - 18/09/2009 07:03:09 PM 1089 Views
Ahh the old debate... fionwe1987 - 17/09/2009 12:42:36 AM 774 Views
Re: Ahh the old debate... Sidious - 17/09/2009 05:26:52 AM 724 Views
I only disagree on one point, I think they are all rather equal in potential, incl. Ishamael RugbyPlayingAshaman - 14/09/2009 04:28:12 PM 779 Views
I do think Ishamel is special Sidious - 14/09/2009 07:04:03 PM 864 Views
He's special the same way any individual is special. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 14/09/2009 11:36:42 PM 822 Views
Re: He's special the same way any individual is special. Sidious - 15/09/2009 08:36:20 AM 798 Views
Re: He's special the same way any individual is special. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 15/09/2009 03:48:34 PM 784 Views
Re: He's special the same way any individual is special. Sidious - 15/09/2009 04:39:39 PM 780 Views
Re: He's special the same way any individual is special. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 15/09/2009 04:53:00 PM 762 Views
Re: He's special the same way any individual is special. Sidious - 15/09/2009 06:47:45 PM 737 Views
The more interesting question is... AgentOrange - 14/09/2009 06:34:11 PM 726 Views
Hmmm Sidious - 14/09/2009 07:04:34 PM 755 Views
I think we'll see Graendal vs. Aran'gar. fionwe1987 - 14/09/2009 07:31:16 PM 826 Views
Ah yes, that makes sense, and would be great! *NM* Sidious - 14/09/2009 07:40:29 PM 621 Views
Yeah. Though I think its no competition. Graendal has got to be better than a walking tree! fionwe1987 - 14/09/2009 07:50:09 PM 717 Views
They do imply that Graendal is a lot more dangerous than she looks beetnemesis - 14/09/2009 09:08:43 PM 750 Views
I've never underestimated Graendal Sidious - 14/09/2009 09:42:49 PM 795 Views
Yeah... her frivolity was always a red flag for me too. fionwe1987 - 14/09/2009 10:18:40 PM 776 Views
To me, she is the most lethal. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 15/09/2009 05:18:10 PM 602 Views
Yup... fionwe1987 - 15/09/2009 06:39:20 PM 648 Views
I still like Lanfear more Sidious - 15/09/2009 06:51:03 PM 737 Views
Bah! She's an idiot! fionwe1987 - 15/09/2009 07:06:06 PM 745 Views
only in love *NM* Sidious - 15/09/2009 07:23:29 PM 708 Views
Graendal did not beat me and Moghedien Lanfear - 15/09/2009 05:59:39 PM 823 Views
Agreed Sidious - 15/09/2009 06:36:48 PM 720 Views
Ummm... how do we know? fionwe1987 - 15/09/2009 06:40:57 PM 844 Views
Re: Ummm... how do we know? Sidious - 15/09/2009 06:56:21 PM 766 Views
Hmmm... fionwe1987 - 15/09/2009 07:07:45 PM 924 Views
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