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We must either use all the quotes from the BWB or none of them Sidious Send a noteboard - 13/09/2009 06:07:46 PM
For all we know the third age references to aginors strength were based on hereditary memories of his shadowspawn armies and not on his one power ability at all.


That may be true. We only have that quote, Moiraine's quote, and a quote on Osan'gar's strength - or the strength he showed us. You can't tell with males - not even Rand could. Without the BWB we don't know Ishamael, Aginor, Demandred or Lanfear's strengths.

I don't think RJ came up with an overly elaborate plan to make pseudostrengths for the Forsaken. He's said that Aginor was 2nd in strength, and I don't see the gain in lying about it. I think that he was 2nd in strength, along with Demandred and Lanfear, but because he was a lab rab he was not good with the Power or combat.
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The top 6 Forsaken - similar in the One Power Sidious - 12/09/2009 09:27:20 PM 1887 Views
Some thoughts about Semmy Lordling - 12/09/2009 09:59:50 PM 1062 Views
Re: Some thoughts about Semmy Sidious - 13/09/2009 08:33:28 AM 1129 Views
Of course... Digital_Eon - 13/09/2009 08:36:39 AM 923 Views
I've been thinking the same for years Dragonsworn - 12/09/2009 11:25:02 PM 1039 Views
The Big White Book says... Yvves - 12/09/2009 11:46:43 PM 1103 Views
Not Aginor Sidious - 13/09/2009 08:36:37 AM 1111 Views
Re: Not Aginor NaClH2O - 13/09/2009 03:16:13 PM 1020 Views
Re: Not Aginor Sidious - 13/09/2009 05:47:14 PM 1062 Views
Fact is, the bwb is untrustworthy Shannow - 13/09/2009 05:54:28 PM 979 Views
We must either use all the quotes from the BWB or none of them Sidious - 13/09/2009 06:07:46 PM 1012 Views
Or... Shannow - 13/09/2009 08:41:23 PM 959 Views
Re: Or... Sidious - 14/09/2009 04:46:52 AM 920 Views
But, RJ himself said that the BWB was written from the standpoint of a scholar RugbyPlayingAshaman - 14/09/2009 04:42:59 PM 1005 Views
Re: Not Aginor NaClH2O - 13/09/2009 08:17:28 PM 923 Views
It all depends on how you define "powerful" Lanfear - 14/09/2009 02:30:31 AM 1030 Views
I agree 101%. *NM* Yvves - 14/09/2009 03:49:51 AM 518 Views
I think power is much more than raw strength Sidious - 14/09/2009 05:00:10 AM 936 Views
I agree for the most part, but disagree on one thing. Lanfear - 14/09/2009 07:52:10 PM 1097 Views
Re: The top 6 Forsaken - similar in the One Power Bulgakov - 12/09/2009 11:48:03 PM 969 Views
the other reason NaClH2O - 13/09/2009 03:24:24 PM 891 Views
So is graendal similar to lanfear then? Shannow - 13/09/2009 05:41:42 PM 893 Views
Graendal could fight Lanfear and win Sidious - 13/09/2009 06:01:57 PM 1477 Views
Graendal herself says... Shannow - 13/09/2009 09:08:46 PM 921 Views
Re: Graendal herself says... Sidious - 14/09/2009 04:48:37 AM 981 Views
Doesn't Graendal have an Angreal now? Rurouni_Kenshin - 17/09/2009 03:29:10 AM 998 Views
Re: Graendal herself says... Lanfear - 15/09/2009 05:36:53 PM 860 Views
Lanfear was more powerful than Graendal, but Cyndane has less power beetnemesis - 13/09/2009 10:19:35 PM 923 Views
Re: So is graendal similar to lanfear then? Watcher - 13/09/2009 06:05:11 PM 1084 Views
I agree with this Sidious - 13/09/2009 06:15:24 PM 1075 Views
Compulsion=any other deadly weave. Doesn't really change matters beetnemesis - 13/09/2009 10:23:40 PM 950 Views
Excellent point *NM* Shannow - 13/09/2009 10:35:08 PM 528 Views
But it did give her an edge, and against two forsaken. *NM* fionwe1987 - 13/09/2009 11:12:09 PM 494 Views
Hm? When? *NM* beetnemesis - 14/09/2009 09:04:10 PM 432 Views
tPoD, when she compelled Cyndane and Moghedien. *NM* fionwe1987 - 14/09/2009 10:19:23 PM 470 Views
Not at all Sidious - 14/09/2009 04:51:48 AM 997 Views
Using Compulsion on someone doesn't seem mechanically different beetnemesis - 14/09/2009 09:03:41 PM 852 Views
I'm not so sure about that Sidious - 14/09/2009 09:36:45 PM 933 Views
Totally agree Shannow - 14/09/2009 10:26:07 PM 788 Views
I don't agree. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 15/09/2009 04:33:04 PM 1058 Views
Re: So is graendal similar to lanfear then? RugbyPlayingAshaman - 14/09/2009 04:34:24 PM 883 Views
But Graendal confronted her... twice! *NM* fionwe1987 - 13/09/2009 07:48:29 PM 445 Views
Apparently only the third time counts *NM* Sidious - 13/09/2009 08:00:37 PM 486 Views
But the third time's supposed to be lucky. So that won't count either. *NM* fionwe1987 - 13/09/2009 11:26:18 PM 509 Views
Really? Shannow - 13/09/2009 08:36:33 PM 922 Views
No falsely... fionwe1987 - 13/09/2009 11:25:40 PM 1143 Views
That's pretty much my opinion in a nutshell Sidious - 14/09/2009 04:56:15 AM 1102 Views
And, of course, the male and female OP strength ranks might not even correlate that much RugbyPlayingAshaman - 14/09/2009 04:41:58 PM 859 Views
They correlate on some critical points Sidious - 14/09/2009 06:57:43 PM 1060 Views
That's not exactly what I'm referring to. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 15/09/2009 04:36:29 PM 812 Views
But then we are discussing the same thing Sidious - 15/09/2009 06:59:04 PM 946 Views
I think, outside of semantics, our main disagreement doesn't lie amid the higher tiers RugbyPlayingAshaman - 16/09/2009 03:53:09 PM 821 Views
Probably Sidious - 16/09/2009 06:31:27 PM 966 Views
Re: Probably RugbyPlayingAshaman - 16/09/2009 07:19:03 PM 936 Views
Re: Probably Sidious - 16/09/2009 08:59:31 PM 922 Views
Re: Probably RugbyPlayingAshaman - 18/09/2009 07:03:09 PM 1266 Views
Ahh the old debate... fionwe1987 - 17/09/2009 12:42:36 AM 901 Views
Re: Ahh the old debate... Sidious - 17/09/2009 05:26:52 AM 870 Views
I only disagree on one point, I think they are all rather equal in potential, incl. Ishamael RugbyPlayingAshaman - 14/09/2009 04:28:12 PM 954 Views
I do think Ishamel is special Sidious - 14/09/2009 07:04:03 PM 1027 Views
He's special the same way any individual is special. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 14/09/2009 11:36:42 PM 990 Views
Re: He's special the same way any individual is special. Sidious - 15/09/2009 08:36:20 AM 958 Views
Re: He's special the same way any individual is special. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 15/09/2009 03:48:34 PM 941 Views
Re: He's special the same way any individual is special. Sidious - 15/09/2009 04:39:39 PM 909 Views
Re: He's special the same way any individual is special. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 15/09/2009 04:53:00 PM 920 Views
Re: He's special the same way any individual is special. Sidious - 15/09/2009 06:47:45 PM 963 Views
The more interesting question is... AgentOrange - 14/09/2009 06:34:11 PM 853 Views
Hmmm Sidious - 14/09/2009 07:04:34 PM 944 Views
I think we'll see Graendal vs. Aran'gar. fionwe1987 - 14/09/2009 07:31:16 PM 973 Views
Ah yes, that makes sense, and would be great! *NM* Sidious - 14/09/2009 07:40:29 PM 790 Views
Yeah. Though I think its no competition. Graendal has got to be better than a walking tree! fionwe1987 - 14/09/2009 07:50:09 PM 850 Views
They do imply that Graendal is a lot more dangerous than she looks beetnemesis - 14/09/2009 09:08:43 PM 878 Views
I've never underestimated Graendal Sidious - 14/09/2009 09:42:49 PM 931 Views
Yeah... her frivolity was always a red flag for me too. fionwe1987 - 14/09/2009 10:18:40 PM 973 Views
To me, she is the most lethal. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 15/09/2009 05:18:10 PM 722 Views
Yup... fionwe1987 - 15/09/2009 06:39:20 PM 776 Views
I still like Lanfear more Sidious - 15/09/2009 06:51:03 PM 863 Views
Bah! She's an idiot! fionwe1987 - 15/09/2009 07:06:06 PM 870 Views
only in love *NM* Sidious - 15/09/2009 07:23:29 PM 825 Views
Graendal did not beat me and Moghedien Lanfear - 15/09/2009 05:59:39 PM 965 Views
Agreed Sidious - 15/09/2009 06:36:48 PM 851 Views
Ummm... how do we know? fionwe1987 - 15/09/2009 06:40:57 PM 987 Views
Re: Ummm... how do we know? Sidious - 15/09/2009 06:56:21 PM 899 Views
Hmmm... fionwe1987 - 15/09/2009 07:07:45 PM 1096 Views
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