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We must either use all the quotes from the BWB or none of them Sidious Send a noteboard - 13/09/2009 06:07:46 PM
For all we know the third age references to aginors strength were based on hereditary memories of his shadowspawn armies and not on his one power ability at all.


That may be true. We only have that quote, Moiraine's quote, and a quote on Osan'gar's strength - or the strength he showed us. You can't tell with males - not even Rand could. Without the BWB we don't know Ishamael, Aginor, Demandred or Lanfear's strengths.

I don't think RJ came up with an overly elaborate plan to make pseudostrengths for the Forsaken. He's said that Aginor was 2nd in strength, and I don't see the gain in lying about it. I think that he was 2nd in strength, along with Demandred and Lanfear, but because he was a lab rab he was not good with the Power or combat.
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The top 6 Forsaken - similar in the One Power Sidious - 12/09/2009 09:27:20 PM 1749 Views
Some thoughts about Semmy Lordling - 12/09/2009 09:59:50 PM 937 Views
Re: Some thoughts about Semmy Sidious - 13/09/2009 08:33:28 AM 982 Views
Of course... Digital_Eon - 13/09/2009 08:36:39 AM 793 Views
I've been thinking the same for years Dragonsworn - 12/09/2009 11:25:02 PM 902 Views
The Big White Book says... Yvves - 12/09/2009 11:46:43 PM 964 Views
Not Aginor Sidious - 13/09/2009 08:36:37 AM 973 Views
Re: Not Aginor NaClH2O - 13/09/2009 03:16:13 PM 866 Views
Re: Not Aginor Sidious - 13/09/2009 05:47:14 PM 903 Views
Fact is, the bwb is untrustworthy Shannow - 13/09/2009 05:54:28 PM 825 Views
We must either use all the quotes from the BWB or none of them Sidious - 13/09/2009 06:07:46 PM 878 Views
Or... Shannow - 13/09/2009 08:41:23 PM 818 Views
Re: Or... Sidious - 14/09/2009 04:46:52 AM 784 Views
But, RJ himself said that the BWB was written from the standpoint of a scholar RugbyPlayingAshaman - 14/09/2009 04:42:59 PM 809 Views
Re: Not Aginor NaClH2O - 13/09/2009 08:17:28 PM 782 Views
It all depends on how you define "powerful" Lanfear - 14/09/2009 02:30:31 AM 900 Views
I agree 101%. *NM* Yvves - 14/09/2009 03:49:51 AM 455 Views
I think power is much more than raw strength Sidious - 14/09/2009 05:00:10 AM 787 Views
I agree for the most part, but disagree on one thing. Lanfear - 14/09/2009 07:52:10 PM 910 Views
Re: The top 6 Forsaken - similar in the One Power Bulgakov - 12/09/2009 11:48:03 PM 833 Views
the other reason NaClH2O - 13/09/2009 03:24:24 PM 765 Views
So is graendal similar to lanfear then? Shannow - 13/09/2009 05:41:42 PM 769 Views
Graendal could fight Lanfear and win Sidious - 13/09/2009 06:01:57 PM 1307 Views
Graendal herself says... Shannow - 13/09/2009 09:08:46 PM 789 Views
Re: Graendal herself says... Sidious - 14/09/2009 04:48:37 AM 813 Views
Doesn't Graendal have an Angreal now? Rurouni_Kenshin - 17/09/2009 03:29:10 AM 830 Views
Re: Graendal herself says... Lanfear - 15/09/2009 05:36:53 PM 700 Views
Lanfear was more powerful than Graendal, but Cyndane has less power beetnemesis - 13/09/2009 10:19:35 PM 778 Views
Re: So is graendal similar to lanfear then? Watcher - 13/09/2009 06:05:11 PM 910 Views
I agree with this Sidious - 13/09/2009 06:15:24 PM 930 Views
Compulsion=any other deadly weave. Doesn't really change matters beetnemesis - 13/09/2009 10:23:40 PM 787 Views
Excellent point *NM* Shannow - 13/09/2009 10:35:08 PM 466 Views
But it did give her an edge, and against two forsaken. *NM* fionwe1987 - 13/09/2009 11:12:09 PM 441 Views
Hm? When? *NM* beetnemesis - 14/09/2009 09:04:10 PM 364 Views
tPoD, when she compelled Cyndane and Moghedien. *NM* fionwe1987 - 14/09/2009 10:19:23 PM 418 Views
Not at all Sidious - 14/09/2009 04:51:48 AM 850 Views
Using Compulsion on someone doesn't seem mechanically different beetnemesis - 14/09/2009 09:03:41 PM 695 Views
I'm not so sure about that Sidious - 14/09/2009 09:36:45 PM 798 Views
Totally agree Shannow - 14/09/2009 10:26:07 PM 603 Views
I don't agree. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 15/09/2009 04:33:04 PM 912 Views
Re: So is graendal similar to lanfear then? RugbyPlayingAshaman - 14/09/2009 04:34:24 PM 749 Views
But Graendal confronted her... twice! *NM* fionwe1987 - 13/09/2009 07:48:29 PM 392 Views
Apparently only the third time counts *NM* Sidious - 13/09/2009 08:00:37 PM 427 Views
But the third time's supposed to be lucky. So that won't count either. *NM* fionwe1987 - 13/09/2009 11:26:18 PM 451 Views
Really? Shannow - 13/09/2009 08:36:33 PM 760 Views
No falsely... fionwe1987 - 13/09/2009 11:25:40 PM 984 Views
That's pretty much my opinion in a nutshell Sidious - 14/09/2009 04:56:15 AM 914 Views
And, of course, the male and female OP strength ranks might not even correlate that much RugbyPlayingAshaman - 14/09/2009 04:41:58 PM 729 Views
They correlate on some critical points Sidious - 14/09/2009 06:57:43 PM 832 Views
That's not exactly what I'm referring to. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 15/09/2009 04:36:29 PM 676 Views
But then we are discussing the same thing Sidious - 15/09/2009 06:59:04 PM 816 Views
I think, outside of semantics, our main disagreement doesn't lie amid the higher tiers RugbyPlayingAshaman - 16/09/2009 03:53:09 PM 691 Views
Probably Sidious - 16/09/2009 06:31:27 PM 836 Views
Re: Probably RugbyPlayingAshaman - 16/09/2009 07:19:03 PM 801 Views
Re: Probably Sidious - 16/09/2009 08:59:31 PM 756 Views
Re: Probably RugbyPlayingAshaman - 18/09/2009 07:03:09 PM 1089 Views
Ahh the old debate... fionwe1987 - 17/09/2009 12:42:36 AM 773 Views
Re: Ahh the old debate... Sidious - 17/09/2009 05:26:52 AM 724 Views
I only disagree on one point, I think they are all rather equal in potential, incl. Ishamael RugbyPlayingAshaman - 14/09/2009 04:28:12 PM 779 Views
I do think Ishamel is special Sidious - 14/09/2009 07:04:03 PM 864 Views
He's special the same way any individual is special. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 14/09/2009 11:36:42 PM 822 Views
Re: He's special the same way any individual is special. Sidious - 15/09/2009 08:36:20 AM 796 Views
Re: He's special the same way any individual is special. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 15/09/2009 03:48:34 PM 783 Views
Re: He's special the same way any individual is special. Sidious - 15/09/2009 04:39:39 PM 779 Views
Re: He's special the same way any individual is special. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 15/09/2009 04:53:00 PM 762 Views
Re: He's special the same way any individual is special. Sidious - 15/09/2009 06:47:45 PM 736 Views
The more interesting question is... AgentOrange - 14/09/2009 06:34:11 PM 726 Views
Hmmm Sidious - 14/09/2009 07:04:34 PM 753 Views
I think we'll see Graendal vs. Aran'gar. fionwe1987 - 14/09/2009 07:31:16 PM 826 Views
Ah yes, that makes sense, and would be great! *NM* Sidious - 14/09/2009 07:40:29 PM 621 Views
Yeah. Though I think its no competition. Graendal has got to be better than a walking tree! fionwe1987 - 14/09/2009 07:50:09 PM 716 Views
They do imply that Graendal is a lot more dangerous than she looks beetnemesis - 14/09/2009 09:08:43 PM 750 Views
I've never underestimated Graendal Sidious - 14/09/2009 09:42:49 PM 795 Views
Yeah... her frivolity was always a red flag for me too. fionwe1987 - 14/09/2009 10:18:40 PM 775 Views
To me, she is the most lethal. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 15/09/2009 05:18:10 PM 601 Views
Yup... fionwe1987 - 15/09/2009 06:39:20 PM 648 Views
I still like Lanfear more Sidious - 15/09/2009 06:51:03 PM 737 Views
Bah! She's an idiot! fionwe1987 - 15/09/2009 07:06:06 PM 745 Views
only in love *NM* Sidious - 15/09/2009 07:23:29 PM 708 Views
Graendal did not beat me and Moghedien Lanfear - 15/09/2009 05:59:39 PM 823 Views
Agreed Sidious - 15/09/2009 06:36:48 PM 719 Views
Ummm... how do we know? fionwe1987 - 15/09/2009 06:40:57 PM 844 Views
Re: Ummm... how do we know? Sidious - 15/09/2009 06:56:21 PM 766 Views
Hmmm... fionwe1987 - 15/09/2009 07:07:45 PM 924 Views
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