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I second this redhand Send a noteboard - 07/12/2010 10:10:24 PM
Nynaeve does not have a problem with achieving a higher purpose in the face of extreme stress. Her problem is, she does not think the White Tower is a higher purpose than saving people.

It is true that she went against the rules of the exam. This is like a courtroom drama, where the defense lawyer put the system on trial. The prosecutor will say, that the system is not on trial, and we must follow the law as it is written, not how we would like the law to be. The defense lawyer who does this is taking a huge risk. And most of the times, it will not work. But sometimes, it works. What Nynaeve did there was the equivalent of putting the system of the Test on trial.

Also, the test requires people to put up with an illusion of calm, instead of being calm. Walking slowly merely pretends to be calm. Nynaeve was actually calm, since she was able to form her weaves.

Now, pretending to be clam does have its uses. A general like Ituralde often has to project calmness to his soldiers. But he can still run without showing panic. So why should the appearance of calm take precedence of actually being calm?
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Nynaeve's stupidity and the test for Aes Sedai Sidious - 07/12/2010 08:27:05 PM 4596 Views
Just like all women. Great Lord of Chaos - 07/12/2010 09:15:12 PM 1390 Views
Way to totally misunderstand the chapter Icarium - 07/12/2010 09:39:08 PM 1885 Views
I second this redhand - 07/12/2010 10:10:24 PM 1548 Views
your bold is stuck. *NM* LadyLorraine - 07/12/2010 10:21:22 PM 669 Views
He BOLDLY seconded it... *NM* HyogaRott - 08/12/2010 03:04:33 PM 647 Views
which is quite excellent. I was just leting him know *NM* LadyLorraine - 08/12/2010 03:28:24 PM 544 Views
I think that statement says it all. LadyLorraine - 07/12/2010 10:19:50 PM 1561 Views
Thanks. That's exactly what I think. ˥ɐ ʎpu∀ɹ - 08/12/2010 08:29:28 AM 1448 Views
+1, well said *NM* Lord Haart - 08/12/2010 11:19:29 AM 602 Views
Agrees *NM* Onarishma - 09/12/2010 03:27:53 PM 1150 Views
Yes, the OP totally whiffed here. Nyn couldn't remember.. The Angry Druid - 11/12/2010 01:50:11 AM 1437 Views
On the whole, the test is innappropriate IMO DomA - 07/12/2010 09:40:08 PM 1664 Views
I agree with this entirely *NM* LadyLorraine - 07/12/2010 10:07:52 PM 602 Views
very well said *NM* darius_sedai - 07/12/2010 10:23:06 PM 546 Views
It's kind of a chicken and egg thing BlackAdder - 07/12/2010 11:13:19 PM 1317 Views
Re: It's kind of a chicken and egg thing DomA - 08/12/2010 12:37:20 AM 1644 Views
nice post Sidious - 08/12/2010 09:20:02 AM 1444 Views
Isn't it implied guttering flame - 08/12/2010 02:16:58 PM 1223 Views
no they were students together darius_sedai - 08/12/2010 05:33:17 PM 1159 Views
No, Lanfear was older than Lews guttering flame - 08/12/2010 07:21:45 PM 1382 Views
Where on earth did you get that from? darius_sedai - 08/12/2010 08:41:16 PM 1308 Views
Re: Where on earth did you get that from? DomA - 09/12/2010 10:27:20 AM 1324 Views
Re: Where on earth did you get that from? Sidious - 09/12/2010 03:56:32 PM 1431 Views
I always got the impression that they were together for quiet some time darius_sedai - 09/12/2010 04:34:23 PM 1354 Views
Re: I always got the impression that they were together for quiet some time moratcorlm - 09/12/2010 05:43:40 PM 1317 Views
I think skill with Saidar is easy enough to judge as it's a simple matter to see the skill darius_sedai - 08/12/2010 05:37:27 PM 1242 Views
I think the greens should have been on Nynaeve's side as well LadyLorraine - 08/12/2010 06:18:16 PM 1345 Views
Problem is they are Aes Sedai and thus more likley to be political rather than rational! *NM* darius_sedai - 08/12/2010 08:52:00 PM 908 Views
too f'n true *NM* LadyLorraine - 09/12/2010 12:17:58 AM 611 Views
Re: nice post DomA - 09/12/2010 01:23:50 PM 1443 Views
On the matter of strength guttering flame - 09/12/2010 08:51:36 PM 1252 Views
Re: On the matter of strength Timthetrolloc - 10/12/2010 10:38:42 AM 1285 Views
Strength was "prized" in the AoL ... but lack of strength was not a negative darius_sedai - 12/12/2010 01:41:08 AM 1215 Views
The test is stupid and it was about time someone pointed it out Zeratul - 07/12/2010 10:29:38 PM 1235 Views
Channeling under duress IS necessary for ALL Aes Sedai Urbannen - 05/01/2011 12:04:53 AM 1406 Views
Well BlackAdder - 07/12/2010 11:03:38 PM 1292 Views
Yes. How dare she not conform with every other fucking mindless stupid WT Aes Sedai *NM* Variant - 07/12/2010 11:36:52 PM 740 Views
Status is not an end in itself. *NM* Chas - 07/12/2010 11:52:37 PM 622 Views
They're not really stupid... DomA - 08/12/2010 01:00:20 AM 1343 Views
Not saying they are. It's just that most AS that we've come across Chas - 08/12/2010 02:20:05 AM 1046 Views
They're constantly outsmarted by a teenage girl that has spent most of her life in a damn farm. Variant - 08/12/2010 10:32:50 AM 1300 Views
yeah because that's so realistic Sidious - 08/12/2010 12:17:29 PM 1240 Views
Egwene had everything handed to her on a silver platter. Variant - 08/12/2010 11:50:17 PM 1210 Views
Bah... DomA - 09/12/2010 10:56:24 AM 1346 Views
Nope, the Sitters were always stupid Zeratul - 09/12/2010 12:37:05 PM 1310 Views
I did not say all Aes Sedai are stupid, I said all WT Aes Sedai are stupid. Variant - 10/12/2010 09:19:52 AM 1311 Views
cause being rural automatically makes you dumb?..... *NM* Onarishma - 09/12/2010 05:34:11 PM 700 Views
It makes you uneducated moratcorlm - 09/12/2010 05:46:49 PM 1225 Views
You are not only wrong in your call, Fanatic-Templar - 08/12/2010 04:39:44 AM 1554 Views
Re: You are not only wrong in your call, Sidious - 08/12/2010 09:13:37 AM 1555 Views
if that is the purpose of the test LadyLorraine - 08/12/2010 01:34:45 PM 1248 Views
minor disagreement darius_sedai - 08/12/2010 05:27:51 PM 1348 Views
Yes, but you can be not-panicked and not calm of body LadyLorraine - 08/12/2010 06:38:56 PM 1180 Views
not really the same thing as what the AS are getting at though darius_sedai - 08/12/2010 09:02:05 PM 1822 Views
that's retarded, imo LadyLorraine - 09/12/2010 12:21:27 AM 1341 Views
About Elaida... Zeratul - 09/12/2010 12:29:21 PM 1330 Views
...no wonder the Aes Sedai are floundering LadyLorraine - 09/12/2010 01:43:42 PM 1066 Views
Oh it's totally stupid! darius_sedai - 09/12/2010 04:37:14 PM 1303 Views
No I know why she took the job. I just don't understand why she got it LadyLorraine - 09/12/2010 04:52:34 PM 1249 Views
I think Elaida just smarmed up at the right time, Morgase was very young then darius_sedai - 09/12/2010 05:52:29 PM 1354 Views
hmm. curse smarming, then *NM* LadyLorraine - 09/12/2010 07:47:26 PM 545 Views
As I recall... Fanatic-Templar - 10/12/2010 05:18:25 AM 1267 Views
Oh. Well, I'm sorry then. Fanatic-Templar - 08/12/2010 06:48:50 PM 1289 Views
I think it has already been established that the purpose of the test is to ensure that Chas - 08/12/2010 09:59:18 PM 1049 Views
Yeah, but how does that work? Fanatic-Templar - 08/12/2010 10:24:35 PM 1191 Views
Somewhere in the sub-conscious they know what they're doing is important to them. Chas - 09/12/2010 12:20:47 AM 1322 Views
Even so, it wouldn't work. Fanatic-Templar - 09/12/2010 03:32:55 AM 1238 Views
I think if this thread has established anything it's that the test is severely flawed. *NM* Chas - 09/12/2010 09:24:48 PM 606 Views
Another headless chicken example. Chas - 09/12/2010 12:30:02 AM 1218 Views
the headless chicken is just such a lovely metaphor for panic *NM* LadyLorraine - 09/12/2010 04:48:11 AM 549 Views
Re: Oh. Well, I'm sorry then. Sidious - 09/12/2010 12:07:15 PM 1293 Views
Re: Oh. Well, I'm sorry then. Fanatic-Templar - 10/12/2010 05:32:27 AM 1379 Views
The main difference guttering flame - 10/12/2010 05:50:43 AM 1237 Views
I'm not sure I agree. Skeeve the Great - 08/12/2010 12:17:12 PM 1327 Views
You seem to have no grasp of the difference between "politic" and "right" Cannoli - 09/12/2010 02:59:50 AM 1396 Views
I hate it when I love you just a little *NM* LadyLorraine - 09/12/2010 04:46:57 AM 591 Views
Re: You seem to have no grasp of the difference between "politic" and "right" Sidious - 09/12/2010 09:26:21 AM 1259 Views
That's not the dilema Cannoli - 09/12/2010 05:23:19 PM 1462 Views
One of those few times where I completely agree with Cannoli. Give over Sidious. You're wrong. fionwe1987 - 09/12/2010 09:55:20 PM 1237 Views
Bah! As if an opinion on the test's validity can be wrong *NM* Sidious - 10/12/2010 04:39:14 AM 1383 Views
That's not what it's really about guttering flame - 10/12/2010 05:44:12 AM 1214 Views
The paralells are not obvious to me... Cannoli - 15/12/2010 11:42:51 AM 1290 Views
More like guttering flame - 15/12/2010 01:26:40 PM 1200 Views
This test, even by its usual abysmal standards, was idiotic. It bordered on being evil. fionwe1987 - 09/12/2010 03:46:31 AM 1253 Views
Re: This test, even by its usual abysmal standards, was idiotic. It bordered on being evil. Sidious - 09/12/2010 09:40:09 AM 1307 Views
Re: This test, even by its usual abysmal standards, was idiotic. It bordered on being evil. fionwe1987 - 09/12/2010 02:04:02 PM 1614 Views
Re: This test, even by its usual abysmal standards, was idiotic. It bordered on being evil. DomA - 09/12/2010 11:26:40 AM 1312 Views
Agreed... fionwe1987 - 09/12/2010 01:54:09 PM 1259 Views
One of those few times where I completely agree with fionwe1987. Give over Sidious. You're wrong. Cannoli - 10/12/2010 03:53:25 PM 1320 Views
no, she did not disagree. slight difference LadyLorraine - 10/12/2010 05:53:54 PM 1190 Views
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