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It's kind of a chicken and egg thing BlackAdder Send a noteboard - 07/12/2010 11:13:19 PM
The test of the shawl is one-dimensional, but so are most Aes Sedai. As you said, they don't have the OP skills that they could if it weren't for this test. But, I wonder... did they decide to keep this test after the Trolloc Wars because they wanted AS to be so similar, or is it just unintended consequence?
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Nynaeve's stupidity and the test for Aes Sedai Sidious - 07/12/2010 08:27:05 PM 4433 Views
Just like all women. Great Lord of Chaos - 07/12/2010 09:15:12 PM 1280 Views
Way to totally misunderstand the chapter Icarium - 07/12/2010 09:39:08 PM 1764 Views
I second this redhand - 07/12/2010 10:10:24 PM 1439 Views
your bold is stuck. *NM* LadyLorraine - 07/12/2010 10:21:22 PM 617 Views
He BOLDLY seconded it... *NM* HyogaRott - 08/12/2010 03:04:33 PM 587 Views
which is quite excellent. I was just leting him know *NM* LadyLorraine - 08/12/2010 03:28:24 PM 496 Views
I think that statement says it all. LadyLorraine - 07/12/2010 10:19:50 PM 1469 Views
Thanks. That's exactly what I think. ˥ɐ ʎpu∀ɹ - 08/12/2010 08:29:28 AM 1332 Views
+1, well said *NM* Lord Haart - 08/12/2010 11:19:29 AM 551 Views
Agrees *NM* Onarishma - 09/12/2010 03:27:53 PM 1049 Views
Yes, the OP totally whiffed here. Nyn couldn't remember.. The Angry Druid - 11/12/2010 01:50:11 AM 1295 Views
On the whole, the test is innappropriate IMO DomA - 07/12/2010 09:40:08 PM 1568 Views
I agree with this entirely *NM* LadyLorraine - 07/12/2010 10:07:52 PM 546 Views
very well said *NM* darius_sedai - 07/12/2010 10:23:06 PM 489 Views
It's kind of a chicken and egg thing BlackAdder - 07/12/2010 11:13:19 PM 1214 Views
Re: It's kind of a chicken and egg thing DomA - 08/12/2010 12:37:20 AM 1496 Views
nice post Sidious - 08/12/2010 09:20:02 AM 1328 Views
Isn't it implied guttering flame - 08/12/2010 02:16:58 PM 1103 Views
no they were students together darius_sedai - 08/12/2010 05:33:17 PM 1051 Views
No, Lanfear was older than Lews guttering flame - 08/12/2010 07:21:45 PM 1276 Views
Where on earth did you get that from? darius_sedai - 08/12/2010 08:41:16 PM 1201 Views
Re: Where on earth did you get that from? DomA - 09/12/2010 10:27:20 AM 1215 Views
Re: Where on earth did you get that from? Sidious - 09/12/2010 03:56:32 PM 1301 Views
I always got the impression that they were together for quiet some time darius_sedai - 09/12/2010 04:34:23 PM 1231 Views
Re: I always got the impression that they were together for quiet some time moratcorlm - 09/12/2010 05:43:40 PM 1221 Views
I think skill with Saidar is easy enough to judge as it's a simple matter to see the skill darius_sedai - 08/12/2010 05:37:27 PM 1125 Views
I think the greens should have been on Nynaeve's side as well LadyLorraine - 08/12/2010 06:18:16 PM 1252 Views
Problem is they are Aes Sedai and thus more likley to be political rather than rational! *NM* darius_sedai - 08/12/2010 08:52:00 PM 854 Views
too f'n true *NM* LadyLorraine - 09/12/2010 12:17:58 AM 557 Views
Re: nice post DomA - 09/12/2010 01:23:50 PM 1315 Views
On the matter of strength guttering flame - 09/12/2010 08:51:36 PM 1156 Views
Re: On the matter of strength Timthetrolloc - 10/12/2010 10:38:42 AM 1144 Views
Strength was "prized" in the AoL ... but lack of strength was not a negative darius_sedai - 12/12/2010 01:41:08 AM 1113 Views
The test is stupid and it was about time someone pointed it out Zeratul - 07/12/2010 10:29:38 PM 1141 Views
Channeling under duress IS necessary for ALL Aes Sedai Urbannen - 05/01/2011 12:04:53 AM 1285 Views
Well BlackAdder - 07/12/2010 11:03:38 PM 1201 Views
Yes. How dare she not conform with every other fucking mindless stupid WT Aes Sedai *NM* Variant - 07/12/2010 11:36:52 PM 692 Views
Status is not an end in itself. *NM* Chas - 07/12/2010 11:52:37 PM 565 Views
They're not really stupid... DomA - 08/12/2010 01:00:20 AM 1243 Views
Not saying they are. It's just that most AS that we've come across Chas - 08/12/2010 02:20:05 AM 929 Views
They're constantly outsmarted by a teenage girl that has spent most of her life in a damn farm. Variant - 08/12/2010 10:32:50 AM 1209 Views
yeah because that's so realistic Sidious - 08/12/2010 12:17:29 PM 1150 Views
Egwene had everything handed to her on a silver platter. Variant - 08/12/2010 11:50:17 PM 1106 Views
Bah... DomA - 09/12/2010 10:56:24 AM 1264 Views
Nope, the Sitters were always stupid Zeratul - 09/12/2010 12:37:05 PM 1202 Views
I did not say all Aes Sedai are stupid, I said all WT Aes Sedai are stupid. Variant - 10/12/2010 09:19:52 AM 1216 Views
cause being rural automatically makes you dumb?..... *NM* Onarishma - 09/12/2010 05:34:11 PM 632 Views
It makes you uneducated moratcorlm - 09/12/2010 05:46:49 PM 1112 Views
You are not only wrong in your call, Fanatic-Templar - 08/12/2010 04:39:44 AM 1460 Views
Re: You are not only wrong in your call, Sidious - 08/12/2010 09:13:37 AM 1441 Views
if that is the purpose of the test LadyLorraine - 08/12/2010 01:34:45 PM 1147 Views
minor disagreement darius_sedai - 08/12/2010 05:27:51 PM 1226 Views
Yes, but you can be not-panicked and not calm of body LadyLorraine - 08/12/2010 06:38:56 PM 1051 Views
not really the same thing as what the AS are getting at though darius_sedai - 08/12/2010 09:02:05 PM 1717 Views
that's retarded, imo LadyLorraine - 09/12/2010 12:21:27 AM 1191 Views
About Elaida... Zeratul - 09/12/2010 12:29:21 PM 1183 Views
...no wonder the Aes Sedai are floundering LadyLorraine - 09/12/2010 01:43:42 PM 977 Views
Oh it's totally stupid! darius_sedai - 09/12/2010 04:37:14 PM 1205 Views
No I know why she took the job. I just don't understand why she got it LadyLorraine - 09/12/2010 04:52:34 PM 1144 Views
I think Elaida just smarmed up at the right time, Morgase was very young then darius_sedai - 09/12/2010 05:52:29 PM 1237 Views
hmm. curse smarming, then *NM* LadyLorraine - 09/12/2010 07:47:26 PM 497 Views
As I recall... Fanatic-Templar - 10/12/2010 05:18:25 AM 1178 Views
Oh. Well, I'm sorry then. Fanatic-Templar - 08/12/2010 06:48:50 PM 1203 Views
I think it has already been established that the purpose of the test is to ensure that Chas - 08/12/2010 09:59:18 PM 947 Views
Yeah, but how does that work? Fanatic-Templar - 08/12/2010 10:24:35 PM 1081 Views
Somewhere in the sub-conscious they know what they're doing is important to them. Chas - 09/12/2010 12:20:47 AM 1214 Views
Even so, it wouldn't work. Fanatic-Templar - 09/12/2010 03:32:55 AM 1137 Views
I think if this thread has established anything it's that the test is severely flawed. *NM* Chas - 09/12/2010 09:24:48 PM 548 Views
Another headless chicken example. Chas - 09/12/2010 12:30:02 AM 1116 Views
the headless chicken is just such a lovely metaphor for panic *NM* LadyLorraine - 09/12/2010 04:48:11 AM 500 Views
Re: Oh. Well, I'm sorry then. Sidious - 09/12/2010 12:07:15 PM 1195 Views
Re: Oh. Well, I'm sorry then. Fanatic-Templar - 10/12/2010 05:32:27 AM 1279 Views
The main difference guttering flame - 10/12/2010 05:50:43 AM 1131 Views
I'm not sure I agree. Skeeve the Great - 08/12/2010 12:17:12 PM 1196 Views
You seem to have no grasp of the difference between "politic" and "right" Cannoli - 09/12/2010 02:59:50 AM 1274 Views
I hate it when I love you just a little *NM* LadyLorraine - 09/12/2010 04:46:57 AM 534 Views
Re: You seem to have no grasp of the difference between "politic" and "right" Sidious - 09/12/2010 09:26:21 AM 1168 Views
That's not the dilema Cannoli - 09/12/2010 05:23:19 PM 1363 Views
One of those few times where I completely agree with Cannoli. Give over Sidious. You're wrong. fionwe1987 - 09/12/2010 09:55:20 PM 1142 Views
Bah! As if an opinion on the test's validity can be wrong *NM* Sidious - 10/12/2010 04:39:14 AM 1293 Views
That's not what it's really about guttering flame - 10/12/2010 05:44:12 AM 1110 Views
The paralells are not obvious to me... Cannoli - 15/12/2010 11:42:51 AM 1189 Views
More like guttering flame - 15/12/2010 01:26:40 PM 1094 Views
This test, even by its usual abysmal standards, was idiotic. It bordered on being evil. fionwe1987 - 09/12/2010 03:46:31 AM 1124 Views
Re: This test, even by its usual abysmal standards, was idiotic. It bordered on being evil. Sidious - 09/12/2010 09:40:09 AM 1209 Views
Re: This test, even by its usual abysmal standards, was idiotic. It bordered on being evil. fionwe1987 - 09/12/2010 02:04:02 PM 1516 Views
Re: This test, even by its usual abysmal standards, was idiotic. It bordered on being evil. DomA - 09/12/2010 11:26:40 AM 1213 Views
Agreed... fionwe1987 - 09/12/2010 01:54:09 PM 1165 Views
One of those few times where I completely agree with fionwe1987. Give over Sidious. You're wrong. Cannoli - 10/12/2010 03:53:25 PM 1208 Views
no, she did not disagree. slight difference LadyLorraine - 10/12/2010 05:53:54 PM 1087 Views
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