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Re: This test, even by its usual abysmal standards, was idiotic. It bordered on being evil. fionwe1987 Send a noteboard - 09/12/2010 02:04:02 PM

Yes, the test was pretty harsh on Nynaeve as Saerin said but also understandable. Nynaeve is the most powerful woman in the history of the Tower which elicited a lot of consequences. It led to jealousy in some, but the Sitter probably really wanted to push her like no other to see if their poster girl was worth her inborn ability.

Then they should have thrown in more Trollocs and Myrdraal at her, maybe a worm from the Blight, maybe a Foresaken or two. You know, things that would have actually required difficult channeling from her.

As it was, their tests were laughably easy for Nynaeve to handle from the OP perspective (save Egwene's, where she actually faced odds like Trollocs and Darkhounds, actual useful stuff). Egwene even says so. Nynaeve is too advanced to have to need this test. Instead, they pointlessly tested her on her ability to leave children to die just so she could be called Aes Sedai. Well, she can't do that, and she is completely right to not do that. I'm sure Egwene would have done exactly the same things too, if maybe with bit more control of her facial expressions.

I've often thought that they press women according to their strength, especially because Moiraine was so hard pushed I wondered if Daigian would have survived.

But that isn't how they pushed Nynaeve. Nynaeve didn't even come close to failing because she couldn't weave well. From what we see, she wove phenomenally. Her "failure" was in not abandoning people who need help.

As for Egwene, I hated her in this book. I personally think she was written poorly and that he missed her character completely, but Egwene detractors will say she's become the bitch they've always known she is. She's become identical to Siuan Sanche in TGH which is tragic because I never thought it was her characters destiny i.e to be such a bitch you're not fun to read about.

I don't think her character was messed up, so much as the presentation. It made no sense that she was actually worried about the politics and not other issues. Frankly, I think this is because Egwene's storyline in tGS and ToM were to have happened in a more condensed manner, but Brandon had to add more to her story in ToM. Unsure what to add, he rehashed the old politics again.

I agree with you that Egwene seemed unnatural and odd in this book.
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Nynaeve's stupidity and the test for Aes Sedai - 07/12/2010 08:27:05 PM 4867 Views
Just like all women. - 07/12/2010 09:15:12 PM 1518 Views
Way to totally misunderstand the chapter - 07/12/2010 09:39:08 PM 2015 Views
I second this - 07/12/2010 10:10:24 PM 1689 Views
your bold is stuck. *NM* - 07/12/2010 10:21:22 PM 735 Views
He BOLDLY seconded it... *NM* - 08/12/2010 03:04:33 PM 703 Views
which is quite excellent. I was just leting him know *NM* - 08/12/2010 03:28:24 PM 609 Views
I think that statement says it all. - 07/12/2010 10:19:50 PM 1676 Views
Thanks. That's exactly what I think. - 08/12/2010 08:29:28 AM 1582 Views
+1, well said *NM* - 08/12/2010 11:19:29 AM 680 Views
Agrees *NM* - 09/12/2010 03:27:53 PM 1276 Views
Yes, the OP totally whiffed here. Nyn couldn't remember.. - 11/12/2010 01:50:11 AM 1542 Views
On the whole, the test is innappropriate IMO - 07/12/2010 09:40:08 PM 1782 Views
I agree with this entirely *NM* - 07/12/2010 10:07:52 PM 669 Views
very well said *NM* - 07/12/2010 10:23:06 PM 602 Views
It's kind of a chicken and egg thing - 07/12/2010 11:13:19 PM 1472 Views
Re: It's kind of a chicken and egg thing - 08/12/2010 12:37:20 AM 1770 Views
nice post - 08/12/2010 09:20:02 AM 1594 Views
Isn't it implied - 08/12/2010 02:16:58 PM 1325 Views
no they were students together - 08/12/2010 05:33:17 PM 1298 Views
No, Lanfear was older than Lews - 08/12/2010 07:21:45 PM 1506 Views
Where on earth did you get that from? - 08/12/2010 08:41:16 PM 1423 Views
Re: Where on earth did you get that from? - 09/12/2010 10:27:20 AM 1462 Views
Re: Where on earth did you get that from? - 09/12/2010 03:56:32 PM 1548 Views
I always got the impression that they were together for quiet some time - 09/12/2010 04:34:23 PM 1487 Views
I think skill with Saidar is easy enough to judge as it's a simple matter to see the skill - 08/12/2010 05:37:27 PM 1368 Views
I think the greens should have been on Nynaeve's side as well - 08/12/2010 06:18:16 PM 1476 Views
Problem is they are Aes Sedai and thus more likley to be political rather than rational! *NM* - 08/12/2010 08:52:00 PM 981 Views
too f'n true *NM* - 09/12/2010 12:17:58 AM 664 Views
Re: nice post - 09/12/2010 01:23:50 PM 1572 Views
On the matter of strength - 09/12/2010 08:51:36 PM 1378 Views
Re: On the matter of strength - 10/12/2010 10:38:42 AM 1427 Views
Strength was "prized" in the AoL ... but lack of strength was not a negative - 12/12/2010 01:41:08 AM 1348 Views
The test is stupid and it was about time someone pointed it out - 07/12/2010 10:29:38 PM 1366 Views
Channeling under duress IS necessary for ALL Aes Sedai - 05/01/2011 12:04:53 AM 1551 Views
Well - 07/12/2010 11:03:38 PM 1420 Views
Status is not an end in itself. *NM* - 07/12/2010 11:52:37 PM 675 Views
They're not really stupid... - 08/12/2010 01:00:20 AM 1459 Views
They're constantly outsmarted by a teenage girl that has spent most of her life in a damn farm. - 08/12/2010 10:32:50 AM 1427 Views
yeah because that's so realistic - 08/12/2010 12:17:29 PM 1356 Views
Egwene had everything handed to her on a silver platter. - 08/12/2010 11:50:17 PM 1328 Views
Bah... - 09/12/2010 10:56:24 AM 1470 Views
Nope, the Sitters were always stupid - 09/12/2010 12:37:05 PM 1435 Views
cause being rural automatically makes you dumb?..... *NM* - 09/12/2010 05:34:11 PM 768 Views
It makes you uneducated - 09/12/2010 05:46:49 PM 1340 Views
You are not only wrong in your call, - 08/12/2010 04:39:44 AM 1670 Views
Re: You are not only wrong in your call, - 08/12/2010 09:13:37 AM 1688 Views
if that is the purpose of the test - 08/12/2010 01:34:45 PM 1386 Views
minor disagreement - 08/12/2010 05:27:51 PM 1455 Views
Yes, but you can be not-panicked and not calm of body - 08/12/2010 06:38:56 PM 1313 Views
not really the same thing as what the AS are getting at though - 08/12/2010 09:02:05 PM 1928 Views
that's retarded, imo - 09/12/2010 12:21:27 AM 1473 Views
About Elaida... - 09/12/2010 12:29:21 PM 1456 Views
...no wonder the Aes Sedai are floundering - 09/12/2010 01:43:42 PM 1178 Views
Oh it's totally stupid! - 09/12/2010 04:37:14 PM 1418 Views
No I know why she took the job. I just don't understand why she got it - 09/12/2010 04:52:34 PM 1350 Views
I think Elaida just smarmed up at the right time, Morgase was very young then - 09/12/2010 05:52:29 PM 1482 Views
hmm. curse smarming, then *NM* - 09/12/2010 07:47:26 PM 596 Views
As I recall... - 10/12/2010 05:18:25 AM 1382 Views
Oh. Well, I'm sorry then. - 08/12/2010 06:48:50 PM 1427 Views
I think it has already been established that the purpose of the test is to ensure that - 08/12/2010 09:59:18 PM 1172 Views
Yeah, but how does that work? - 08/12/2010 10:24:35 PM 1317 Views
Somewhere in the sub-conscious they know what they're doing is important to them. - 09/12/2010 12:20:47 AM 1440 Views
Even so, it wouldn't work. - 09/12/2010 03:32:55 AM 1351 Views
Another headless chicken example. - 09/12/2010 12:30:02 AM 1330 Views
the headless chicken is just such a lovely metaphor for panic *NM* - 09/12/2010 04:48:11 AM 607 Views
Re: Oh. Well, I'm sorry then. - 09/12/2010 12:07:15 PM 1402 Views
Re: Oh. Well, I'm sorry then. - 10/12/2010 05:32:27 AM 1504 Views
The main difference - 10/12/2010 05:50:43 AM 1371 Views
I'm not sure I agree. - 08/12/2010 12:17:12 PM 1446 Views
You seem to have no grasp of the difference between "politic" and "right" - 09/12/2010 02:59:50 AM 1523 Views
I hate it when I love you just a little *NM* - 09/12/2010 04:46:57 AM 640 Views
Re: You seem to have no grasp of the difference between "politic" and "right" - 09/12/2010 09:26:21 AM 1407 Views
That's not the dilema - 09/12/2010 05:23:19 PM 1589 Views
That's not what it's really about - 10/12/2010 05:44:12 AM 1320 Views
The paralells are not obvious to me... - 15/12/2010 11:42:51 AM 1402 Views
More like - 15/12/2010 01:26:40 PM 1320 Views
This test, even by its usual abysmal standards, was idiotic. It bordered on being evil. - 09/12/2010 03:46:31 AM 1379 Views
Re: This test, even by its usual abysmal standards, was idiotic. It bordered on being evil. - 09/12/2010 09:40:09 AM 1421 Views
Re: This test, even by its usual abysmal standards, was idiotic. It bordered on being evil. - 09/12/2010 02:04:02 PM 1735 Views
Re: This test, even by its usual abysmal standards, was idiotic. It bordered on being evil. - 09/12/2010 11:26:40 AM 1434 Views
Agreed... - 09/12/2010 01:54:09 PM 1391 Views
One of those few times where I completely agree with fionwe1987. Give over Sidious. You're wrong. - 10/12/2010 03:53:25 PM 1484 Views
no, she did not disagree. slight difference - 10/12/2010 05:53:54 PM 1308 Views

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