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On the matter of strength guttering flame Send a noteboard - 09/12/2010 08:51:36 PM

In general it sounds like you had to exceed greatly the current Tower's standards to make a career in the Guild or in the Guild-based faciliities like the Collam Daan. OTOH, it's also likely a great deal of women put out by the Tower would have managed to meet the AOL standards to be an Aes Sedai (if they followed the OP training, of course), as few ever seem to be put out for lack of channelling skills, but rather for not fitting the mold. The OP aside, I bet fairly few sisters in the White Tower would meet the standards of the Guild in issues like ethics, behaviour and mentality.


I can't prove this from the text but I always figured that strength in the One Power was a lot less important to the Age of Legend Aes Sedai than it is to present day Aes Sedai.

Weak channelers are considered unfit by present-day Tower because they wouldn't be able to kill a trolloc horde by themselves while weaving a 100 useless weaves but in the Age of Legends that wouldn't be so important. There's a reason why they made all of those angreal. It was an equalizer that enabled channelers with small inborn strength to realize her talents. Circles, so common in the Age of Legend, functioned similarly. They were headed by the most talented person among them, not the strongest.
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Nynaeve's stupidity and the test for Aes Sedai Sidious - 07/12/2010 08:27:05 PM 4656 Views
Just like all women. Great Lord of Chaos - 07/12/2010 09:15:12 PM 1433 Views
Way to totally misunderstand the chapter Icarium - 07/12/2010 09:39:08 PM 1935 Views
I second this redhand - 07/12/2010 10:10:24 PM 1592 Views
your bold is stuck. *NM* LadyLorraine - 07/12/2010 10:21:22 PM 685 Views
He BOLDLY seconded it... *NM* HyogaRott - 08/12/2010 03:04:33 PM 665 Views
which is quite excellent. I was just leting him know *NM* LadyLorraine - 08/12/2010 03:28:24 PM 568 Views
I think that statement says it all. LadyLorraine - 07/12/2010 10:19:50 PM 1595 Views
Thanks. That's exactly what I think. ˥ɐ ʎpu∀ɹ - 08/12/2010 08:29:28 AM 1493 Views
+1, well said *NM* Lord Haart - 08/12/2010 11:19:29 AM 637 Views
Agrees *NM* Onarishma - 09/12/2010 03:27:53 PM 1190 Views
Yes, the OP totally whiffed here. Nyn couldn't remember.. The Angry Druid - 11/12/2010 01:50:11 AM 1464 Views
On the whole, the test is innappropriate IMO DomA - 07/12/2010 09:40:08 PM 1702 Views
I agree with this entirely *NM* LadyLorraine - 07/12/2010 10:07:52 PM 628 Views
very well said *NM* darius_sedai - 07/12/2010 10:23:06 PM 568 Views
It's kind of a chicken and egg thing BlackAdder - 07/12/2010 11:13:19 PM 1365 Views
Re: It's kind of a chicken and egg thing DomA - 08/12/2010 12:37:20 AM 1685 Views
nice post Sidious - 08/12/2010 09:20:02 AM 1487 Views
Isn't it implied guttering flame - 08/12/2010 02:16:58 PM 1247 Views
no they were students together darius_sedai - 08/12/2010 05:33:17 PM 1210 Views
No, Lanfear was older than Lews guttering flame - 08/12/2010 07:21:45 PM 1423 Views
Where on earth did you get that from? darius_sedai - 08/12/2010 08:41:16 PM 1350 Views
Re: Where on earth did you get that from? DomA - 09/12/2010 10:27:20 AM 1370 Views
Re: Where on earth did you get that from? Sidious - 09/12/2010 03:56:32 PM 1470 Views
I always got the impression that they were together for quiet some time darius_sedai - 09/12/2010 04:34:23 PM 1393 Views
Re: I always got the impression that they were together for quiet some time moratcorlm - 09/12/2010 05:43:40 PM 1342 Views
I think skill with Saidar is easy enough to judge as it's a simple matter to see the skill darius_sedai - 08/12/2010 05:37:27 PM 1282 Views
I think the greens should have been on Nynaeve's side as well LadyLorraine - 08/12/2010 06:18:16 PM 1395 Views
Problem is they are Aes Sedai and thus more likley to be political rather than rational! *NM* darius_sedai - 08/12/2010 08:52:00 PM 935 Views
too f'n true *NM* LadyLorraine - 09/12/2010 12:17:58 AM 627 Views
Re: nice post DomA - 09/12/2010 01:23:50 PM 1482 Views
On the matter of strength guttering flame - 09/12/2010 08:51:36 PM 1295 Views
Re: On the matter of strength Timthetrolloc - 10/12/2010 10:38:42 AM 1329 Views
Strength was "prized" in the AoL ... but lack of strength was not a negative darius_sedai - 12/12/2010 01:41:08 AM 1261 Views
The test is stupid and it was about time someone pointed it out Zeratul - 07/12/2010 10:29:38 PM 1286 Views
Channeling under duress IS necessary for ALL Aes Sedai Urbannen - 05/01/2011 12:04:53 AM 1462 Views
Well BlackAdder - 07/12/2010 11:03:38 PM 1331 Views
Yes. How dare she not conform with every other fucking mindless stupid WT Aes Sedai *NM* Variant - 07/12/2010 11:36:52 PM 759 Views
Status is not an end in itself. *NM* Chas - 07/12/2010 11:52:37 PM 645 Views
They're not really stupid... DomA - 08/12/2010 01:00:20 AM 1373 Views
Not saying they are. It's just that most AS that we've come across Chas - 08/12/2010 02:20:05 AM 1089 Views
They're constantly outsmarted by a teenage girl that has spent most of her life in a damn farm. Variant - 08/12/2010 10:32:50 AM 1348 Views
yeah because that's so realistic Sidious - 08/12/2010 12:17:29 PM 1275 Views
Egwene had everything handed to her on a silver platter. Variant - 08/12/2010 11:50:17 PM 1241 Views
Bah... DomA - 09/12/2010 10:56:24 AM 1381 Views
Nope, the Sitters were always stupid Zeratul - 09/12/2010 12:37:05 PM 1348 Views
I did not say all Aes Sedai are stupid, I said all WT Aes Sedai are stupid. Variant - 10/12/2010 09:19:52 AM 1348 Views
cause being rural automatically makes you dumb?..... *NM* Onarishma - 09/12/2010 05:34:11 PM 726 Views
It makes you uneducated moratcorlm - 09/12/2010 05:46:49 PM 1262 Views
You are not only wrong in your call, Fanatic-Templar - 08/12/2010 04:39:44 AM 1587 Views
Re: You are not only wrong in your call, Sidious - 08/12/2010 09:13:37 AM 1592 Views
if that is the purpose of the test LadyLorraine - 08/12/2010 01:34:45 PM 1292 Views
minor disagreement darius_sedai - 08/12/2010 05:27:51 PM 1378 Views
Yes, but you can be not-panicked and not calm of body LadyLorraine - 08/12/2010 06:38:56 PM 1217 Views
not really the same thing as what the AS are getting at though darius_sedai - 08/12/2010 09:02:05 PM 1856 Views
that's retarded, imo LadyLorraine - 09/12/2010 12:21:27 AM 1384 Views
About Elaida... Zeratul - 09/12/2010 12:29:21 PM 1366 Views
...no wonder the Aes Sedai are floundering LadyLorraine - 09/12/2010 01:43:42 PM 1089 Views
Oh it's totally stupid! darius_sedai - 09/12/2010 04:37:14 PM 1341 Views
No I know why she took the job. I just don't understand why she got it LadyLorraine - 09/12/2010 04:52:34 PM 1275 Views
I think Elaida just smarmed up at the right time, Morgase was very young then darius_sedai - 09/12/2010 05:52:29 PM 1386 Views
hmm. curse smarming, then *NM* LadyLorraine - 09/12/2010 07:47:26 PM 563 Views
As I recall... Fanatic-Templar - 10/12/2010 05:18:25 AM 1299 Views
Oh. Well, I'm sorry then. Fanatic-Templar - 08/12/2010 06:48:50 PM 1331 Views
I think it has already been established that the purpose of the test is to ensure that Chas - 08/12/2010 09:59:18 PM 1077 Views
Yeah, but how does that work? Fanatic-Templar - 08/12/2010 10:24:35 PM 1235 Views
Somewhere in the sub-conscious they know what they're doing is important to them. Chas - 09/12/2010 12:20:47 AM 1355 Views
Even so, it wouldn't work. Fanatic-Templar - 09/12/2010 03:32:55 AM 1269 Views
I think if this thread has established anything it's that the test is severely flawed. *NM* Chas - 09/12/2010 09:24:48 PM 623 Views
Another headless chicken example. Chas - 09/12/2010 12:30:02 AM 1248 Views
the headless chicken is just such a lovely metaphor for panic *NM* LadyLorraine - 09/12/2010 04:48:11 AM 565 Views
Re: Oh. Well, I'm sorry then. Sidious - 09/12/2010 12:07:15 PM 1327 Views
Re: Oh. Well, I'm sorry then. Fanatic-Templar - 10/12/2010 05:32:27 AM 1411 Views
The main difference guttering flame - 10/12/2010 05:50:43 AM 1277 Views
I'm not sure I agree. Skeeve the Great - 08/12/2010 12:17:12 PM 1362 Views
You seem to have no grasp of the difference between "politic" and "right" Cannoli - 09/12/2010 02:59:50 AM 1427 Views
I hate it when I love you just a little *NM* LadyLorraine - 09/12/2010 04:46:57 AM 606 Views
Re: You seem to have no grasp of the difference between "politic" and "right" Sidious - 09/12/2010 09:26:21 AM 1303 Views
That's not the dilema Cannoli - 09/12/2010 05:23:19 PM 1497 Views
One of those few times where I completely agree with Cannoli. Give over Sidious. You're wrong. fionwe1987 - 09/12/2010 09:55:20 PM 1266 Views
Bah! As if an opinion on the test's validity can be wrong *NM* Sidious - 10/12/2010 04:39:14 AM 1419 Views
That's not what it's really about guttering flame - 10/12/2010 05:44:12 AM 1240 Views
The paralells are not obvious to me... Cannoli - 15/12/2010 11:42:51 AM 1325 Views
More like guttering flame - 15/12/2010 01:26:40 PM 1236 Views
This test, even by its usual abysmal standards, was idiotic. It bordered on being evil. fionwe1987 - 09/12/2010 03:46:31 AM 1295 Views
Re: This test, even by its usual abysmal standards, was idiotic. It bordered on being evil. Sidious - 09/12/2010 09:40:09 AM 1340 Views
Re: This test, even by its usual abysmal standards, was idiotic. It bordered on being evil. fionwe1987 - 09/12/2010 02:04:02 PM 1643 Views
Re: This test, even by its usual abysmal standards, was idiotic. It bordered on being evil. DomA - 09/12/2010 11:26:40 AM 1341 Views
Agreed... fionwe1987 - 09/12/2010 01:54:09 PM 1304 Views
One of those few times where I completely agree with fionwe1987. Give over Sidious. You're wrong. Cannoli - 10/12/2010 03:53:25 PM 1385 Views
no, she did not disagree. slight difference LadyLorraine - 10/12/2010 05:53:54 PM 1231 Views
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