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None of this is contradicted by what I have posited entyti Send a noteboard - 08/02/2011 09:16:48 PM
I have not presumed in my hypothesis that the actions of the people of the world are insignificant; simply that the Dragon is more relevant in a cosmic sense then may appear.

If the actions of the people were irrelevant, then Rand's answer from the Eelfinn would have had no meaning. Why unite the lands against the Dark One if it doesn't matter? Simply put: it does matter.

However, Rand's significance- the Dragon's significance- is vital to the restoration of the world. That's why the Shadow took such measures to turn him to their side. That's why the wolves were so invested in Rand's epiphany at Dragonmount. That's why the Borderlanders were charged to test him and bring about his fall quickly so the world would have its end quickly.

As Shannow quoted: the land is one with the Dragon, and the Dragon is one with the land. Examples of this are obvious. When Rand saw his darkest times, the world around him befell the worst of his Ta'veren twists. After his revelation, good luck and miracles were abound.

If Rand is in fact an incarnation of the Great Serpent, suddenly a lot of the mysticism around him is made clear. The intentions of the Shadow are also much more understandable. If Rand were just a man, ta'veren or no, Dragon Reborn or no, what is the point of turning him to the Shadow rather than just killing him?

Rand as the Great Serpent doesn't outshine the roles of the rest of the characters. What it does, though, is bring about a more level playing field between him and the Dark One. When facing an entity as vast and destructive as the Dark One, it is difficult to see how anything will stand against it. Understanding Rand's role in the universe can help see how he will be able to do just that.

You can't win a game of chess with just your pawns, nor with just your queen. All the pieces must work in concert to win.
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Rand is the Great Serpent entyti - 08/02/2011 04:21:32 AM 1778 Views
Yeah, that seems logical, funny to see rand bite himself in the ass :p *NM* Kieran - 08/02/2011 06:31:44 AM 513 Views
I want to reply and say that's not exactly how I picture it, but I don't want to be dirty. *NM* Deadsy - 08/02/2011 06:50:17 AM 552 Views
there once was a man from nantucket? *NM* nigelgoboom - 08/02/2011 07:18:47 AM 472 Views
Bwah ha ha! Dirty minds think alike! *NM* Evil_Monkey - 08/02/2011 03:41:30 PM 452 Views
That actually seems cosmically plausible - but I really hope this is not the case RugbyPlayingAshaman - 08/02/2011 03:27:29 PM 1124 Views
But that has always been the case. I am astounded that it isn't recognized more often... Shannow - 08/02/2011 03:58:24 PM 993 Views
This. There's a reason one of his archetypes is the Fisher King. *NM* Ghavrel - 08/02/2011 07:00:05 PM 513 Views
The issue is that the Fisher King story is about the Land, not the People RugbyPlayingAshaman - 08/02/2011 08:02:24 PM 909 Views
A good example Kieran - 08/02/2011 08:27:44 PM 929 Views
None of this is contradicted by what I have posited entyti - 08/02/2011 09:16:48 PM 847 Views
But the chess analogy is what I'm seeing - the Dragon is necessary in degree not in total. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 09/02/2011 02:42:15 PM 989 Views
Yes, those are the rules in chess... entyti - 10/02/2011 05:34:25 AM 901 Views
The Fisher King is not a messianic myth. Ghavrel - 08/02/2011 10:07:44 PM 967 Views
Fisher King title and legends are connected to the Messianic mythos RugbyPlayingAshaman - 09/02/2011 09:47:14 PM 1155 Views
The disciples, not Jesus, were the "fishers of men." EDITED. Ghavrel - 09/02/2011 10:08:24 PM 815 Views
Yeah, you're right about the fish - I was reaching (and typed too fast to think) RugbyPlayingAshaman - 10/02/2011 05:30:29 PM 800 Views
Re: But that has always been the case. I am astounded that it isn't recognized more often... fionwe1987 - 09/02/2011 07:47:14 AM 885 Views
You two are like a married couple without the benefit of the makeup sex. Ghavrel - 09/02/2011 09:30:10 AM 1051 Views
*NM* fionwe1987 - 10/02/2011 02:53:17 AM 408 Views
*NM* Sir Tybalt - 10/02/2011 02:52:28 PM 476 Views
Huh? No. You are so off it's not even funny. Velveti - 09/02/2011 03:16:05 AM 1060 Views
Looks like somebody hasn't read The Gathering Storm. Ghavrel - 09/02/2011 06:17:55 AM 944 Views
Re: Looks like somebody hasn't read The Gathering Storm. Velveti - 09/02/2011 06:20:21 AM 955 Views
Atop Dragonmount, for one... fionwe1987 - 09/02/2011 07:36:56 AM 969 Views
I'm exhausted, so I may be misremembering. Ghavrel - 09/02/2011 09:27:18 AM 934 Views
That was Tam. Gher - 09/02/2011 05:09:45 PM 983 Views
That is a key difference. Japhy - 09/02/2011 06:38:24 PM 811 Views
Re: Atop Dragonmount, for one... Velveti - 09/02/2011 03:12:02 PM 949 Views
Not at all! fionwe1987 - 10/02/2011 02:58:39 AM 854 Views
You sound like Ishamael RugbyPlayingAshaman - 09/02/2011 02:38:52 PM 934 Views
Re: You sound like Ishamael Velveti - 09/02/2011 03:17:58 PM 914 Views
I'm definitely not confusing this with the real world roflmao RugbyPlayingAshaman - 09/02/2011 03:54:04 PM 1006 Views
Re: I'm definitely not confusing this with the real world roflmao Velveti - 09/02/2011 06:10:01 PM 1000 Views
Seems to me that you're confused. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 09/02/2011 08:27:06 PM 757 Views
Seems to me that YOU'RE confused. Velveti - 10/02/2011 02:09:41 AM 936 Views
You might actually want to read what people wrote. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 10/02/2011 03:13:52 PM 832 Views
The amount of elitism on this board would be depressing if it weren't so damned funny. Ghavrel - 09/02/2011 09:18:13 PM 877 Views
What depresses me... entyti - 09/02/2011 11:23:13 PM 789 Views
I, personally, like it. It makes sense for the Dragon to be an incarnation of the Serpent. Ghavrel - 09/02/2011 11:39:28 PM 932 Views
I didn't mean to hijack it - other replies did RugbyPlayingAshaman - 10/02/2011 02:51:35 PM 888 Views
It is of little consequence entyti - 10/02/2011 05:36:40 PM 854 Views
Relax homeboy. It was a joke. *NM* Velveti - 10/02/2011 02:07:55 AM 485 Views
I guess the DO just has "Serpent Envy?" *NM* newyorkersedai - 12/02/2011 01:13:40 PM 404 Views
*NM* entyti - 12/02/2011 02:47:09 PM 438 Views
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