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Atop Dragonmount, for one... fionwe1987 Send a noteboard - 09/02/2011 07:36:56 AM

When is this shown to be the case?

Rand has the option of destroying the world, and there was no one else to influence him in any way.

Certainly, the Pattern played a role in his choice. As he himself said, he wouldn't have won through but for the people he knew and who loved him. But that doesn't mean he didn't have a choice.

Same with everyone else. Isn't the voice telling Rand in EotW that the choice to fight Ishy is his ample proof that choice does exist?
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Rand is the Great Serpent entyti - 08/02/2011 04:21:32 AM 1807 Views
Yeah, that seems logical, funny to see rand bite himself in the ass :p *NM* Kieran - 08/02/2011 06:31:44 AM 523 Views
I want to reply and say that's not exactly how I picture it, but I don't want to be dirty. *NM* Deadsy - 08/02/2011 06:50:17 AM 566 Views
there once was a man from nantucket? *NM* nigelgoboom - 08/02/2011 07:18:47 AM 483 Views
Bwah ha ha! Dirty minds think alike! *NM* Evil_Monkey - 08/02/2011 03:41:30 PM 463 Views
That actually seems cosmically plausible - but I really hope this is not the case RugbyPlayingAshaman - 08/02/2011 03:27:29 PM 1147 Views
But that has always been the case. I am astounded that it isn't recognized more often... Shannow - 08/02/2011 03:58:24 PM 1013 Views
This. There's a reason one of his archetypes is the Fisher King. *NM* Ghavrel - 08/02/2011 07:00:05 PM 523 Views
The issue is that the Fisher King story is about the Land, not the People RugbyPlayingAshaman - 08/02/2011 08:02:24 PM 927 Views
A good example Kieran - 08/02/2011 08:27:44 PM 950 Views
None of this is contradicted by what I have posited entyti - 08/02/2011 09:16:48 PM 869 Views
But the chess analogy is what I'm seeing - the Dragon is necessary in degree not in total. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 09/02/2011 02:42:15 PM 1008 Views
Yes, those are the rules in chess... entyti - 10/02/2011 05:34:25 AM 925 Views
The Fisher King is not a messianic myth. Ghavrel - 08/02/2011 10:07:44 PM 985 Views
Fisher King title and legends are connected to the Messianic mythos RugbyPlayingAshaman - 09/02/2011 09:47:14 PM 1176 Views
The disciples, not Jesus, were the "fishers of men." EDITED. Ghavrel - 09/02/2011 10:08:24 PM 833 Views
Yeah, you're right about the fish - I was reaching (and typed too fast to think) RugbyPlayingAshaman - 10/02/2011 05:30:29 PM 838 Views
Re: But that has always been the case. I am astounded that it isn't recognized more often... fionwe1987 - 09/02/2011 07:47:14 AM 918 Views
You two are like a married couple without the benefit of the makeup sex. Ghavrel - 09/02/2011 09:30:10 AM 1073 Views
*NM* fionwe1987 - 10/02/2011 02:53:17 AM 418 Views
*NM* Sir Tybalt - 10/02/2011 02:52:28 PM 485 Views
Huh? No. You are so off it's not even funny. Velveti - 09/02/2011 03:16:05 AM 1082 Views
Looks like somebody hasn't read The Gathering Storm. Ghavrel - 09/02/2011 06:17:55 AM 965 Views
Re: Looks like somebody hasn't read The Gathering Storm. Velveti - 09/02/2011 06:20:21 AM 973 Views
Atop Dragonmount, for one... fionwe1987 - 09/02/2011 07:36:56 AM 992 Views
I'm exhausted, so I may be misremembering. Ghavrel - 09/02/2011 09:27:18 AM 951 Views
That was Tam. Gher - 09/02/2011 05:09:45 PM 1008 Views
That is a key difference. Japhy - 09/02/2011 06:38:24 PM 831 Views
Re: Atop Dragonmount, for one... Velveti - 09/02/2011 03:12:02 PM 977 Views
Not at all! fionwe1987 - 10/02/2011 02:58:39 AM 871 Views
You sound like Ishamael RugbyPlayingAshaman - 09/02/2011 02:38:52 PM 956 Views
Re: You sound like Ishamael Velveti - 09/02/2011 03:17:58 PM 936 Views
I'm definitely not confusing this with the real world roflmao RugbyPlayingAshaman - 09/02/2011 03:54:04 PM 1037 Views
Re: I'm definitely not confusing this with the real world roflmao Velveti - 09/02/2011 06:10:01 PM 1028 Views
Seems to me that you're confused. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 09/02/2011 08:27:06 PM 779 Views
Seems to me that YOU'RE confused. Velveti - 10/02/2011 02:09:41 AM 960 Views
You might actually want to read what people wrote. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 10/02/2011 03:13:52 PM 851 Views
The amount of elitism on this board would be depressing if it weren't so damned funny. Ghavrel - 09/02/2011 09:18:13 PM 897 Views
What depresses me... entyti - 09/02/2011 11:23:13 PM 828 Views
I, personally, like it. It makes sense for the Dragon to be an incarnation of the Serpent. Ghavrel - 09/02/2011 11:39:28 PM 951 Views
I didn't mean to hijack it - other replies did RugbyPlayingAshaman - 10/02/2011 02:51:35 PM 909 Views
It is of little consequence entyti - 10/02/2011 05:36:40 PM 876 Views
Relax homeboy. It was a joke. *NM* Velveti - 10/02/2011 02:07:55 AM 498 Views
I guess the DO just has "Serpent Envy?" *NM* newyorkersedai - 12/02/2011 01:13:40 PM 434 Views
*NM* entyti - 12/02/2011 02:47:09 PM 450 Views
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