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Re: Atop Dragonmount, for one... Velveti Send a noteboard - 09/02/2011 03:12:02 PM

When is this shown to be the case?

Rand has the option of destroying the world, and there was no one else to influence him in any way.

Certainly, the Pattern played a role in his choice. As he himself said, he wouldn't have won through but for the people he knew and who loved him. But that doesn't mean he didn't have a choice.

Same with everyone else. Isn't the voice telling Rand in EotW that the choice to fight Ishy is his ample proof that choice does exist?


That is the point. No one matters but Rand. Everyone else is irrelevant. The actions of Egwene, Matt, a random farmer, a bird, an ant, all of these are irrelevant. The Wheel runs around Rand. If Rand loses, then the Wheel loses. Reality itself loses.
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Rand is the Great Serpent entyti - 08/02/2011 04:21:32 AM 2002 Views
Yeah, that seems logical, funny to see rand bite himself in the ass :p *NM* Kieran - 08/02/2011 06:31:44 AM 603 Views
I want to reply and say that's not exactly how I picture it, but I don't want to be dirty. *NM* Deadsy - 08/02/2011 06:50:17 AM 648 Views
there once was a man from nantucket? *NM* nigelgoboom - 08/02/2011 07:18:47 AM 579 Views
Bwah ha ha! Dirty minds think alike! *NM* Evil_Monkey - 08/02/2011 03:41:30 PM 554 Views
That actually seems cosmically plausible - but I really hope this is not the case RugbyPlayingAshaman - 08/02/2011 03:27:29 PM 1336 Views
But that has always been the case. I am astounded that it isn't recognized more often... Shannow - 08/02/2011 03:58:24 PM 1206 Views
This. There's a reason one of his archetypes is the Fisher King. *NM* Ghavrel - 08/02/2011 07:00:05 PM 627 Views
The issue is that the Fisher King story is about the Land, not the People RugbyPlayingAshaman - 08/02/2011 08:02:24 PM 1129 Views
A good example Kieran - 08/02/2011 08:27:44 PM 1151 Views
None of this is contradicted by what I have posited entyti - 08/02/2011 09:16:48 PM 1083 Views
But the chess analogy is what I'm seeing - the Dragon is necessary in degree not in total. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 09/02/2011 02:42:15 PM 1201 Views
Yes, those are the rules in chess... entyti - 10/02/2011 05:34:25 AM 1094 Views
The Fisher King is not a messianic myth. Ghavrel - 08/02/2011 10:07:44 PM 1175 Views
Fisher King title and legends are connected to the Messianic mythos RugbyPlayingAshaman - 09/02/2011 09:47:14 PM 1374 Views
The disciples, not Jesus, were the "fishers of men." EDITED. Ghavrel - 09/02/2011 10:08:24 PM 1029 Views
Yeah, you're right about the fish - I was reaching (and typed too fast to think) RugbyPlayingAshaman - 10/02/2011 05:30:29 PM 1071 Views
Re: But that has always been the case. I am astounded that it isn't recognized more often... fionwe1987 - 09/02/2011 07:47:14 AM 1138 Views
You two are like a married couple without the benefit of the makeup sex. Ghavrel - 09/02/2011 09:30:10 AM 1250 Views
*NM* fionwe1987 - 10/02/2011 02:53:17 AM 501 Views
*NM* Sir Tybalt - 10/02/2011 02:52:28 PM 564 Views
Huh? No. You are so off it's not even funny. Velveti - 09/02/2011 03:16:05 AM 1283 Views
Looks like somebody hasn't read The Gathering Storm. Ghavrel - 09/02/2011 06:17:55 AM 1182 Views
Re: Looks like somebody hasn't read The Gathering Storm. Velveti - 09/02/2011 06:20:21 AM 1163 Views
Atop Dragonmount, for one... fionwe1987 - 09/02/2011 07:36:56 AM 1182 Views
I'm exhausted, so I may be misremembering. Ghavrel - 09/02/2011 09:27:18 AM 1122 Views
That was Tam. Gher - 09/02/2011 05:09:45 PM 1219 Views
That is a key difference. Japhy - 09/02/2011 06:38:24 PM 1061 Views
Re: Atop Dragonmount, for one... Velveti - 09/02/2011 03:12:02 PM 1172 Views
Not at all! fionwe1987 - 10/02/2011 02:58:39 AM 1072 Views
You sound like Ishamael RugbyPlayingAshaman - 09/02/2011 02:38:52 PM 1162 Views
Re: You sound like Ishamael Velveti - 09/02/2011 03:17:58 PM 1145 Views
I'm definitely not confusing this with the real world roflmao RugbyPlayingAshaman - 09/02/2011 03:54:04 PM 1244 Views
Re: I'm definitely not confusing this with the real world roflmao Velveti - 09/02/2011 06:10:01 PM 1216 Views
Seems to me that you're confused. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 09/02/2011 08:27:06 PM 979 Views
Seems to me that YOU'RE confused. Velveti - 10/02/2011 02:09:41 AM 1137 Views
You might actually want to read what people wrote. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 10/02/2011 03:13:52 PM 1026 Views
The amount of elitism on this board would be depressing if it weren't so damned funny. Ghavrel - 09/02/2011 09:18:13 PM 1092 Views
What depresses me... entyti - 09/02/2011 11:23:13 PM 1029 Views
I, personally, like it. It makes sense for the Dragon to be an incarnation of the Serpent. Ghavrel - 09/02/2011 11:39:28 PM 1140 Views
I didn't mean to hijack it - other replies did RugbyPlayingAshaman - 10/02/2011 02:51:35 PM 1093 Views
It is of little consequence entyti - 10/02/2011 05:36:40 PM 1054 Views
Relax homeboy. It was a joke. *NM* Velveti - 10/02/2011 02:07:55 AM 591 Views
I guess the DO just has "Serpent Envy?" *NM* newyorkersedai - 12/02/2011 01:13:40 PM 549 Views
*NM* entyti - 12/02/2011 02:47:09 PM 534 Views
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