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Re: Atop Dragonmount, for one... Velveti Send a noteboard - 09/02/2011 03:12:02 PM

When is this shown to be the case?

Rand has the option of destroying the world, and there was no one else to influence him in any way.

Certainly, the Pattern played a role in his choice. As he himself said, he wouldn't have won through but for the people he knew and who loved him. But that doesn't mean he didn't have a choice.

Same with everyone else. Isn't the voice telling Rand in EotW that the choice to fight Ishy is his ample proof that choice does exist?


That is the point. No one matters but Rand. Everyone else is irrelevant. The actions of Egwene, Matt, a random farmer, a bird, an ant, all of these are irrelevant. The Wheel runs around Rand. If Rand loses, then the Wheel loses. Reality itself loses.
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Rand is the Great Serpent entyti - 08/02/2011 04:21:32 AM 2082 Views
Yeah, that seems logical, funny to see rand bite himself in the ass :p *NM* Kieran - 08/02/2011 06:31:44 AM 632 Views
I want to reply and say that's not exactly how I picture it, but I don't want to be dirty. *NM* Deadsy - 08/02/2011 06:50:17 AM 690 Views
there once was a man from nantucket? *NM* nigelgoboom - 08/02/2011 07:18:47 AM 603 Views
Bwah ha ha! Dirty minds think alike! *NM* Evil_Monkey - 08/02/2011 03:41:30 PM 575 Views
That actually seems cosmically plausible - but I really hope this is not the case RugbyPlayingAshaman - 08/02/2011 03:27:29 PM 1399 Views
But that has always been the case. I am astounded that it isn't recognized more often... Shannow - 08/02/2011 03:58:24 PM 1273 Views
This. There's a reason one of his archetypes is the Fisher King. *NM* Ghavrel - 08/02/2011 07:00:05 PM 655 Views
The issue is that the Fisher King story is about the Land, not the People RugbyPlayingAshaman - 08/02/2011 08:02:24 PM 1234 Views
A good example Kieran - 08/02/2011 08:27:44 PM 1204 Views
None of this is contradicted by what I have posited entyti - 08/02/2011 09:16:48 PM 1147 Views
But the chess analogy is what I'm seeing - the Dragon is necessary in degree not in total. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 09/02/2011 02:42:15 PM 1252 Views
Yes, those are the rules in chess... entyti - 10/02/2011 05:34:25 AM 1155 Views
The Fisher King is not a messianic myth. Ghavrel - 08/02/2011 10:07:44 PM 1236 Views
Fisher King title and legends are connected to the Messianic mythos RugbyPlayingAshaman - 09/02/2011 09:47:14 PM 1440 Views
The disciples, not Jesus, were the "fishers of men." EDITED. Ghavrel - 09/02/2011 10:08:24 PM 1094 Views
Yeah, you're right about the fish - I was reaching (and typed too fast to think) RugbyPlayingAshaman - 10/02/2011 05:30:29 PM 1129 Views
Re: But that has always been the case. I am astounded that it isn't recognized more often... fionwe1987 - 09/02/2011 07:47:14 AM 1222 Views
You two are like a married couple without the benefit of the makeup sex. Ghavrel - 09/02/2011 09:30:10 AM 1316 Views
*NM* fionwe1987 - 10/02/2011 02:53:17 AM 530 Views
*NM* Sir Tybalt - 10/02/2011 02:52:28 PM 592 Views
Huh? No. You are so off it's not even funny. Velveti - 09/02/2011 03:16:05 AM 1338 Views
Looks like somebody hasn't read The Gathering Storm. Ghavrel - 09/02/2011 06:17:55 AM 1246 Views
Re: Looks like somebody hasn't read The Gathering Storm. Velveti - 09/02/2011 06:20:21 AM 1230 Views
Atop Dragonmount, for one... fionwe1987 - 09/02/2011 07:36:56 AM 1265 Views
I'm exhausted, so I may be misremembering. Ghavrel - 09/02/2011 09:27:18 AM 1184 Views
That was Tam. Gher - 09/02/2011 05:09:45 PM 1279 Views
That is a key difference. Japhy - 09/02/2011 06:38:24 PM 1120 Views
Re: Atop Dragonmount, for one... Velveti - 09/02/2011 03:12:02 PM 1236 Views
Not at all! fionwe1987 - 10/02/2011 02:58:39 AM 1132 Views
You sound like Ishamael RugbyPlayingAshaman - 09/02/2011 02:38:52 PM 1225 Views
Re: You sound like Ishamael Velveti - 09/02/2011 03:17:58 PM 1231 Views
I'm definitely not confusing this with the real world roflmao RugbyPlayingAshaman - 09/02/2011 03:54:04 PM 1330 Views
Re: I'm definitely not confusing this with the real world roflmao Velveti - 09/02/2011 06:10:01 PM 1296 Views
Seems to me that you're confused. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 09/02/2011 08:27:06 PM 1064 Views
Seems to me that YOU'RE confused. Velveti - 10/02/2011 02:09:41 AM 1197 Views
You might actually want to read what people wrote. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 10/02/2011 03:13:52 PM 1105 Views
The amount of elitism on this board would be depressing if it weren't so damned funny. Ghavrel - 09/02/2011 09:18:13 PM 1158 Views
What depresses me... entyti - 09/02/2011 11:23:13 PM 1079 Views
I, personally, like it. It makes sense for the Dragon to be an incarnation of the Serpent. Ghavrel - 09/02/2011 11:39:28 PM 1202 Views
I didn't mean to hijack it - other replies did RugbyPlayingAshaman - 10/02/2011 02:51:35 PM 1166 Views
It is of little consequence entyti - 10/02/2011 05:36:40 PM 1120 Views
Relax homeboy. It was a joke. *NM* Velveti - 10/02/2011 02:07:55 AM 616 Views
I guess the DO just has "Serpent Envy?" *NM* newyorkersedai - 12/02/2011 01:13:40 PM 580 Views
*NM* entyti - 12/02/2011 02:47:09 PM 562 Views
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