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Re: Atop Dragonmount, for one... Velveti Send a noteboard - 09/02/2011 03:12:02 PM

When is this shown to be the case?

Rand has the option of destroying the world, and there was no one else to influence him in any way.

Certainly, the Pattern played a role in his choice. As he himself said, he wouldn't have won through but for the people he knew and who loved him. But that doesn't mean he didn't have a choice.

Same with everyone else. Isn't the voice telling Rand in EotW that the choice to fight Ishy is his ample proof that choice does exist?


That is the point. No one matters but Rand. Everyone else is irrelevant. The actions of Egwene, Matt, a random farmer, a bird, an ant, all of these are irrelevant. The Wheel runs around Rand. If Rand loses, then the Wheel loses. Reality itself loses.
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Rand is the Great Serpent entyti - 08/02/2011 04:21:32 AM 1843 Views
Yeah, that seems logical, funny to see rand bite himself in the ass :p *NM* Kieran - 08/02/2011 06:31:44 AM 538 Views
I want to reply and say that's not exactly how I picture it, but I don't want to be dirty. *NM* Deadsy - 08/02/2011 06:50:17 AM 582 Views
there once was a man from nantucket? *NM* nigelgoboom - 08/02/2011 07:18:47 AM 497 Views
Bwah ha ha! Dirty minds think alike! *NM* Evil_Monkey - 08/02/2011 03:41:30 PM 479 Views
That actually seems cosmically plausible - but I really hope this is not the case RugbyPlayingAshaman - 08/02/2011 03:27:29 PM 1175 Views
But that has always been the case. I am astounded that it isn't recognized more often... Shannow - 08/02/2011 03:58:24 PM 1052 Views
This. There's a reason one of his archetypes is the Fisher King. *NM* Ghavrel - 08/02/2011 07:00:05 PM 543 Views
The issue is that the Fisher King story is about the Land, not the People RugbyPlayingAshaman - 08/02/2011 08:02:24 PM 960 Views
A good example Kieran - 08/02/2011 08:27:44 PM 989 Views
None of this is contradicted by what I have posited entyti - 08/02/2011 09:16:48 PM 897 Views
But the chess analogy is what I'm seeing - the Dragon is necessary in degree not in total. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 09/02/2011 02:42:15 PM 1039 Views
Yes, those are the rules in chess... entyti - 10/02/2011 05:34:25 AM 955 Views
The Fisher King is not a messianic myth. Ghavrel - 08/02/2011 10:07:44 PM 1019 Views
Fisher King title and legends are connected to the Messianic mythos RugbyPlayingAshaman - 09/02/2011 09:47:14 PM 1210 Views
The disciples, not Jesus, were the "fishers of men." EDITED. Ghavrel - 09/02/2011 10:08:24 PM 868 Views
Yeah, you're right about the fish - I was reaching (and typed too fast to think) RugbyPlayingAshaman - 10/02/2011 05:30:29 PM 866 Views
Re: But that has always been the case. I am astounded that it isn't recognized more often... fionwe1987 - 09/02/2011 07:47:14 AM 954 Views
You two are like a married couple without the benefit of the makeup sex. Ghavrel - 09/02/2011 09:30:10 AM 1103 Views
*NM* fionwe1987 - 10/02/2011 02:53:17 AM 430 Views
*NM* Sir Tybalt - 10/02/2011 02:52:28 PM 499 Views
Huh? No. You are so off it's not even funny. Velveti - 09/02/2011 03:16:05 AM 1117 Views
Looks like somebody hasn't read The Gathering Storm. Ghavrel - 09/02/2011 06:17:55 AM 999 Views
Re: Looks like somebody hasn't read The Gathering Storm. Velveti - 09/02/2011 06:20:21 AM 1005 Views
Atop Dragonmount, for one... fionwe1987 - 09/02/2011 07:36:56 AM 1025 Views
I'm exhausted, so I may be misremembering. Ghavrel - 09/02/2011 09:27:18 AM 983 Views
That was Tam. Gher - 09/02/2011 05:09:45 PM 1047 Views
That is a key difference. Japhy - 09/02/2011 06:38:24 PM 867 Views
Re: Atop Dragonmount, for one... Velveti - 09/02/2011 03:12:02 PM 1006 Views
Not at all! fionwe1987 - 10/02/2011 02:58:39 AM 903 Views
You sound like Ishamael RugbyPlayingAshaman - 09/02/2011 02:38:52 PM 998 Views
Re: You sound like Ishamael Velveti - 09/02/2011 03:17:58 PM 963 Views
I'm definitely not confusing this with the real world roflmao RugbyPlayingAshaman - 09/02/2011 03:54:04 PM 1068 Views
Re: I'm definitely not confusing this with the real world roflmao Velveti - 09/02/2011 06:10:01 PM 1057 Views
Seems to me that you're confused. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 09/02/2011 08:27:06 PM 812 Views
Seems to me that YOU'RE confused. Velveti - 10/02/2011 02:09:41 AM 992 Views
You might actually want to read what people wrote. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 10/02/2011 03:13:52 PM 880 Views
The amount of elitism on this board would be depressing if it weren't so damned funny. Ghavrel - 09/02/2011 09:18:13 PM 931 Views
What depresses me... entyti - 09/02/2011 11:23:13 PM 858 Views
I, personally, like it. It makes sense for the Dragon to be an incarnation of the Serpent. Ghavrel - 09/02/2011 11:39:28 PM 982 Views
I didn't mean to hijack it - other replies did RugbyPlayingAshaman - 10/02/2011 02:51:35 PM 940 Views
It is of little consequence entyti - 10/02/2011 05:36:40 PM 906 Views
Relax homeboy. It was a joke. *NM* Velveti - 10/02/2011 02:07:55 AM 513 Views
I guess the DO just has "Serpent Envy?" *NM* newyorkersedai - 12/02/2011 01:13:40 PM 483 Views
*NM* entyti - 12/02/2011 02:47:09 PM 466 Views
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