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That is a key difference. Japhy Send a noteboard - 09/02/2011 06:38:24 PM
But I want to say there was a discussion between Rand and someone--Lan, I think--about how his choices aren't really choices at all. The whole point being that they most certainly are choices, and that it's the content of their character which forces them to act in a certain way, not the Pattern.


Yeah, Tam told Rand that even if he can't choose what he has to do, he can choose why he does it.


Rand would never have gone over to the DO but to fight him as Dark Rand vs Light Rand made a gigantic and vital difference not only to his psyche but also to the entire world.

He was always going to fight and try to defeat the DO but now he has chosen why he will do it which leads to the how.
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Rand is the Great Serpent entyti - 08/02/2011 04:21:32 AM 1965 Views
Yeah, that seems logical, funny to see rand bite himself in the ass :p *NM* Kieran - 08/02/2011 06:31:44 AM 593 Views
I want to reply and say that's not exactly how I picture it, but I don't want to be dirty. *NM* Deadsy - 08/02/2011 06:50:17 AM 633 Views
there once was a man from nantucket? *NM* nigelgoboom - 08/02/2011 07:18:47 AM 564 Views
Bwah ha ha! Dirty minds think alike! *NM* Evil_Monkey - 08/02/2011 03:41:30 PM 540 Views
That actually seems cosmically plausible - but I really hope this is not the case RugbyPlayingAshaman - 08/02/2011 03:27:29 PM 1314 Views
But that has always been the case. I am astounded that it isn't recognized more often... Shannow - 08/02/2011 03:58:24 PM 1177 Views
This. There's a reason one of his archetypes is the Fisher King. *NM* Ghavrel - 08/02/2011 07:00:05 PM 606 Views
The issue is that the Fisher King story is about the Land, not the People RugbyPlayingAshaman - 08/02/2011 08:02:24 PM 1102 Views
A good example Kieran - 08/02/2011 08:27:44 PM 1130 Views
None of this is contradicted by what I have posited entyti - 08/02/2011 09:16:48 PM 1057 Views
But the chess analogy is what I'm seeing - the Dragon is necessary in degree not in total. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 09/02/2011 02:42:15 PM 1169 Views
Yes, those are the rules in chess... entyti - 10/02/2011 05:34:25 AM 1077 Views
The Fisher King is not a messianic myth. Ghavrel - 08/02/2011 10:07:44 PM 1149 Views
Fisher King title and legends are connected to the Messianic mythos RugbyPlayingAshaman - 09/02/2011 09:47:14 PM 1346 Views
The disciples, not Jesus, were the "fishers of men." EDITED. Ghavrel - 09/02/2011 10:08:24 PM 1006 Views
Yeah, you're right about the fish - I was reaching (and typed too fast to think) RugbyPlayingAshaman - 10/02/2011 05:30:29 PM 1035 Views
Re: But that has always been the case. I am astounded that it isn't recognized more often... fionwe1987 - 09/02/2011 07:47:14 AM 1100 Views
You two are like a married couple without the benefit of the makeup sex. Ghavrel - 09/02/2011 09:30:10 AM 1221 Views
*NM* fionwe1987 - 10/02/2011 02:53:17 AM 486 Views
*NM* Sir Tybalt - 10/02/2011 02:52:28 PM 550 Views
Huh? No. You are so off it's not even funny. Velveti - 09/02/2011 03:16:05 AM 1258 Views
Looks like somebody hasn't read The Gathering Storm. Ghavrel - 09/02/2011 06:17:55 AM 1145 Views
Re: Looks like somebody hasn't read The Gathering Storm. Velveti - 09/02/2011 06:20:21 AM 1138 Views
Atop Dragonmount, for one... fionwe1987 - 09/02/2011 07:36:56 AM 1155 Views
I'm exhausted, so I may be misremembering. Ghavrel - 09/02/2011 09:27:18 AM 1096 Views
That was Tam. Gher - 09/02/2011 05:09:45 PM 1186 Views
That is a key difference. Japhy - 09/02/2011 06:38:24 PM 1038 Views
Re: Atop Dragonmount, for one... Velveti - 09/02/2011 03:12:02 PM 1144 Views
Not at all! fionwe1987 - 10/02/2011 02:58:39 AM 1029 Views
You sound like Ishamael RugbyPlayingAshaman - 09/02/2011 02:38:52 PM 1139 Views
Re: You sound like Ishamael Velveti - 09/02/2011 03:17:58 PM 1092 Views
I'm definitely not confusing this with the real world roflmao RugbyPlayingAshaman - 09/02/2011 03:54:04 PM 1203 Views
Re: I'm definitely not confusing this with the real world roflmao Velveti - 09/02/2011 06:10:01 PM 1190 Views
Seems to me that you're confused. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 09/02/2011 08:27:06 PM 943 Views
Seems to me that YOU'RE confused. Velveti - 10/02/2011 02:09:41 AM 1108 Views
You might actually want to read what people wrote. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 10/02/2011 03:13:52 PM 1000 Views
The amount of elitism on this board would be depressing if it weren't so damned funny. Ghavrel - 09/02/2011 09:18:13 PM 1068 Views
What depresses me... entyti - 09/02/2011 11:23:13 PM 1010 Views
I, personally, like it. It makes sense for the Dragon to be an incarnation of the Serpent. Ghavrel - 09/02/2011 11:39:28 PM 1113 Views
I didn't mean to hijack it - other replies did RugbyPlayingAshaman - 10/02/2011 02:51:35 PM 1070 Views
It is of little consequence entyti - 10/02/2011 05:36:40 PM 1027 Views
Relax homeboy. It was a joke. *NM* Velveti - 10/02/2011 02:07:55 AM 576 Views
I guess the DO just has "Serpent Envy?" *NM* newyorkersedai - 12/02/2011 01:13:40 PM 536 Views
*NM* entyti - 12/02/2011 02:47:09 PM 520 Views
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