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The disciples, not Jesus, were the "fishers of men." EDITED. Ghavrel Send a noteboard - 09/02/2011 10:08:24 PM
(New Testament, Book 1:17)

That... that is not how one references the Bible. :P

I assume you are referring to Mark 1:17, where Jesus says to Simon and Andrew "Follow Me, and I will make you become fishers of men." (NASB). That's a very tenuous link.

This link has a lot of information as to biblical references to Jesus' identification with fish: http://www.mazzaroth.com/ChapterSix/FishersOfMen.htm. Further, in the book, "High History of the Holy Grail", the Fisher King is actually called 'Messios'.

That link is horrific. The zodiac has nothing to do with Christianity, and didn't even exist in its current form until Ptolemy reformed it two centuries after Christ died.

The connection between the Fisher King and Jesus/the Messiah inspired a large part of the Grail legends, and those legends are connected to the Arthurian mythos.

There are a lot of reasons Jesus used fish, and there are a lot of connections between ??????? and ?????. But they aren't the ones you listed. Many of them are societal, and many are linguistic. If you want a decent site, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Icthys has actual scholarship supporting its claims.

The reason the Fisher King is called the Fisher King is because, being crippled, all he could do is fish. If you want to show a connection to me, you're going to need to show much more proof than that. :P
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This. There's a reason one of his archetypes is the Fisher King. *NM* Ghavrel - 08/02/2011 07:00:05 PM 560 Views
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A good example Kieran - 08/02/2011 08:27:44 PM 1026 Views
None of this is contradicted by what I have posited entyti - 08/02/2011 09:16:48 PM 961 Views
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Yes, those are the rules in chess... entyti - 10/02/2011 05:34:25 AM 990 Views
The Fisher King is not a messianic myth. Ghavrel - 08/02/2011 10:07:44 PM 1064 Views
Fisher King title and legends are connected to the Messianic mythos RugbyPlayingAshaman - 09/02/2011 09:47:14 PM 1249 Views
The disciples, not Jesus, were the "fishers of men." EDITED. Ghavrel - 09/02/2011 10:08:24 PM 919 Views
Yeah, you're right about the fish - I was reaching (and typed too fast to think) RugbyPlayingAshaman - 10/02/2011 05:30:29 PM 934 Views
Re: But that has always been the case. I am astounded that it isn't recognized more often... fionwe1987 - 09/02/2011 07:47:14 AM 1014 Views
You two are like a married couple without the benefit of the makeup sex. Ghavrel - 09/02/2011 09:30:10 AM 1135 Views
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Huh? No. You are so off it's not even funny. Velveti - 09/02/2011 03:16:05 AM 1158 Views
Looks like somebody hasn't read The Gathering Storm. Ghavrel - 09/02/2011 06:17:55 AM 1060 Views
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Atop Dragonmount, for one... fionwe1987 - 09/02/2011 07:36:56 AM 1059 Views
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That was Tam. Gher - 09/02/2011 05:09:45 PM 1086 Views
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You sound like Ishamael RugbyPlayingAshaman - 09/02/2011 02:38:52 PM 1044 Views
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Seems to me that you're confused. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 09/02/2011 08:27:06 PM 848 Views
Seems to me that YOU'RE confused. Velveti - 10/02/2011 02:09:41 AM 1026 Views
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What depresses me... entyti - 09/02/2011 11:23:13 PM 905 Views
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I didn't mean to hijack it - other replies did RugbyPlayingAshaman - 10/02/2011 02:51:35 PM 977 Views
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Relax homeboy. It was a joke. *NM* Velveti - 10/02/2011 02:07:55 AM 534 Views
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