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The disciples, not Jesus, were the "fishers of men." EDITED. Ghavrel Send a noteboard - 09/02/2011 10:08:24 PM
(New Testament, Book 1:17)

That... that is not how one references the Bible. :P

I assume you are referring to Mark 1:17, where Jesus says to Simon and Andrew "Follow Me, and I will make you become fishers of men." (NASB). That's a very tenuous link.

This link has a lot of information as to biblical references to Jesus' identification with fish: http://www.mazzaroth.com/ChapterSix/FishersOfMen.htm. Further, in the book, "High History of the Holy Grail", the Fisher King is actually called 'Messios'.

That link is horrific. The zodiac has nothing to do with Christianity, and didn't even exist in its current form until Ptolemy reformed it two centuries after Christ died.

The connection between the Fisher King and Jesus/the Messiah inspired a large part of the Grail legends, and those legends are connected to the Arthurian mythos.

There are a lot of reasons Jesus used fish, and there are a lot of connections between ??????? and ?????. But they aren't the ones you listed. Many of them are societal, and many are linguistic. If you want a decent site, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Icthys has actual scholarship supporting its claims.

The reason the Fisher King is called the Fisher King is because, being crippled, all he could do is fish. If you want to show a connection to me, you're going to need to show much more proof than that. :P
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Rand is the Great Serpent entyti - 08/02/2011 04:21:32 AM 2036 Views
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But that has always been the case. I am astounded that it isn't recognized more often... Shannow - 08/02/2011 03:58:24 PM 1232 Views
This. There's a reason one of his archetypes is the Fisher King. *NM* Ghavrel - 08/02/2011 07:00:05 PM 635 Views
The issue is that the Fisher King story is about the Land, not the People RugbyPlayingAshaman - 08/02/2011 08:02:24 PM 1173 Views
A good example Kieran - 08/02/2011 08:27:44 PM 1181 Views
None of this is contradicted by what I have posited entyti - 08/02/2011 09:16:48 PM 1108 Views
But the chess analogy is what I'm seeing - the Dragon is necessary in degree not in total. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 09/02/2011 02:42:15 PM 1222 Views
Yes, those are the rules in chess... entyti - 10/02/2011 05:34:25 AM 1112 Views
The Fisher King is not a messianic myth. Ghavrel - 08/02/2011 10:07:44 PM 1201 Views
Fisher King title and legends are connected to the Messianic mythos RugbyPlayingAshaman - 09/02/2011 09:47:14 PM 1408 Views
The disciples, not Jesus, were the "fishers of men." EDITED. Ghavrel - 09/02/2011 10:08:24 PM 1056 Views
Yeah, you're right about the fish - I was reaching (and typed too fast to think) RugbyPlayingAshaman - 10/02/2011 05:30:29 PM 1092 Views
Re: But that has always been the case. I am astounded that it isn't recognized more often... fionwe1987 - 09/02/2011 07:47:14 AM 1168 Views
You two are like a married couple without the benefit of the makeup sex. Ghavrel - 09/02/2011 09:30:10 AM 1273 Views
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Huh? No. You are so off it's not even funny. Velveti - 09/02/2011 03:16:05 AM 1311 Views
Looks like somebody hasn't read The Gathering Storm. Ghavrel - 09/02/2011 06:17:55 AM 1205 Views
Re: Looks like somebody hasn't read The Gathering Storm. Velveti - 09/02/2011 06:20:21 AM 1187 Views
Atop Dragonmount, for one... fionwe1987 - 09/02/2011 07:36:56 AM 1214 Views
I'm exhausted, so I may be misremembering. Ghavrel - 09/02/2011 09:27:18 AM 1153 Views
That was Tam. Gher - 09/02/2011 05:09:45 PM 1246 Views
That is a key difference. Japhy - 09/02/2011 06:38:24 PM 1087 Views
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Not at all! fionwe1987 - 10/02/2011 02:58:39 AM 1100 Views
You sound like Ishamael RugbyPlayingAshaman - 09/02/2011 02:38:52 PM 1183 Views
Re: You sound like Ishamael Velveti - 09/02/2011 03:17:58 PM 1180 Views
I'm definitely not confusing this with the real world roflmao RugbyPlayingAshaman - 09/02/2011 03:54:04 PM 1274 Views
Re: I'm definitely not confusing this with the real world roflmao Velveti - 09/02/2011 06:10:01 PM 1247 Views
Seems to me that you're confused. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 09/02/2011 08:27:06 PM 1021 Views
Seems to me that YOU'RE confused. Velveti - 10/02/2011 02:09:41 AM 1158 Views
You might actually want to read what people wrote. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 10/02/2011 03:13:52 PM 1062 Views
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What depresses me... entyti - 09/02/2011 11:23:13 PM 1049 Views
I, personally, like it. It makes sense for the Dragon to be an incarnation of the Serpent. Ghavrel - 09/02/2011 11:39:28 PM 1169 Views
I didn't mean to hijack it - other replies did RugbyPlayingAshaman - 10/02/2011 02:51:35 PM 1115 Views
It is of little consequence entyti - 10/02/2011 05:36:40 PM 1082 Views
Relax homeboy. It was a joke. *NM* Velveti - 10/02/2011 02:07:55 AM 601 Views
I guess the DO just has "Serpent Envy?" *NM* newyorkersedai - 12/02/2011 01:13:40 PM 563 Views
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