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How could you possibly use Gateways... fionwe1987 Send a noteboard - 17/12/2011 12:40:03 PM
... after Androl? Your theory would put him at the very highest echelons of Power, but he's nowhere there.

Now, he has this talent to a marked extent, but there's plenty of evidence that Rand has some Gateway talent. His larger size gateways could simply be a result of that. Or Logain could be really bad with Gateways. We just have no clue about this.

I think using shielding or Traveling as a real measure of Power strength is antiquated. And the revelation about the extent to which Talent matters (as compared to strength), only makes it clearer that just base strength isn't even close to a real measure of the effective strength a channeler brings to bear in a duel. Mesaana may well be exactly as strong as Semirhage in the Power, but still be capable of being slotted as a weaker Foresaken because she is simply less effective.
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Underestimating Forsaken strength Nessarra - 11/12/2011 05:57:22 AM 2120 Views
Ah, my favourite topic makes a return... Shannow - 11/12/2011 07:45:29 AM 1016 Views
Re: Ah, my favourite topic makes a return... Nessarra - 11/12/2011 10:25:03 PM 1026 Views
Yes, you are probably correct Sidious - 12/12/2011 06:26:07 AM 1176 Views
Re: and some of the information given to us is flawed Watcher - 12/12/2011 07:38:59 PM 959 Views
The real question is - What percentage of her full strength did Nynaeve achieve by Book 4? Shannow - 12/12/2011 08:31:30 PM 992 Views
I find that unlikely Sidious - 12/12/2011 09:28:07 PM 947 Views
Easy question for you: Based on the evidence, what percentage of her strength was Nynaeve at in tSR? Shannow - 13/12/2011 07:09:56 AM 1005 Views
Well.... Sidious - 13/12/2011 01:12:48 PM 1010 Views
Well there we have it Shannow - 13/12/2011 01:36:45 PM 1010 Views
Re: Well there we have it Sidious - 13/12/2011 02:06:14 PM 1036 Views
Re: Well there we have it Shannow - 13/12/2011 02:12:10 PM 983 Views
Alivia may not even be stronger than Nynaeve... fionwe1987 - 14/12/2011 03:14:06 AM 1053 Views
That wouldn't surprise me actually *NM* Sidious - 14/12/2011 07:46:47 AM 524 Views
Where would you place Egwene though? fionwe1987 - 14/12/2011 09:13:46 AM 940 Views
Re: Where would you place Egwene though? Sidious - 14/12/2011 12:53:49 PM 952 Views
Bonfire next to a candle indeed. Hehehe... Shannow - 14/12/2011 05:50:34 PM 1114 Views
fionwe1987 - 14/12/2011 06:56:40 PM 888 Views
The same "step" you refer to seperates Egwene from normal Aes Sedai according to RJ... Shannow - 14/12/2011 07:14:55 PM 950 Views
Yes! And...? fionwe1987 - 15/12/2011 02:53:37 AM 943 Views
Yes I would agree with that Sidious - 14/12/2011 08:24:35 PM 1099 Views
Alivia with an angreal > > > Cyndane TyrReborn - 14/12/2011 08:50:41 PM 879 Views
No Sidious - 14/12/2011 09:10:34 PM 979 Views
That makes no sense. TyrReborn - 14/12/2011 09:13:48 PM 1029 Views
Correct. Shannow - 14/12/2011 09:43:53 PM 990 Views
Re: Correct. Sidious - 15/12/2011 05:54:37 AM 957 Views
So many instances of logical laziness in that post... Shannow - 14/12/2011 10:01:45 PM 1407 Views
Re: So many instances of logical laziness in that post... Sidious - 15/12/2011 06:16:01 AM 915 Views
There's always room for error, and in general I agree with some of your placements... Shannow - 15/12/2011 07:03:01 AM 999 Views
Re: There's always room for error, and in general I agree with some of your placements... Sidious - 17/12/2011 10:25:47 AM 1026 Views
Because a difference of a few % is negligible, and not even worth mentioning... Shannow - 17/12/2011 10:54:49 AM 916 Views
How could you possibly use Gateways... fionwe1987 - 17/12/2011 12:40:03 PM 889 Views
Repyling at bottom of thread for space reasons... *NM* Shannow - 17/12/2011 02:57:43 PM 494 Views
Only slight diffence I have is regarding general AS strength darius_sedai - 30/12/2011 04:45:49 PM 970 Views
I think it was just Aes Sedai hyperbole RugbyPlayingAshaman - 15/12/2011 09:51:00 PM 806 Views
And entirely based off your shared assumption. Fanatic-Templar - 14/12/2011 05:15:51 AM 1031 Views
Actually that's a lot of logical assumption. *NM* LadyLorraine - 13/12/2011 01:28:00 PM 466 Views
But... fionwe1987 - 14/12/2011 03:06:15 AM 799 Views
And darius_sedai - 30/12/2011 05:07:13 PM 914 Views
Yes Cannoli - 13/12/2011 04:16:40 PM 1073 Views
Re: Yes RugbyPlayingAshaman - 13/12/2011 04:47:17 PM 1015 Views
Nah. Beyond the realm of possibility. Sorry, Shannow - 13/12/2011 05:12:40 PM 1047 Views
There are a number of comments from Q&As that shows that this is possible and more complex. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 13/12/2011 08:23:49 PM 1018 Views
None of which I disagree with, but a far cry from women being weaker just due to believing it... Shannow - 13/12/2011 08:39:40 PM 950 Views
But that is my point: it wouldn't be merely force of will. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 13/12/2011 09:40:17 PM 912 Views
What Rand is doing... fionwe1987 - 14/12/2011 03:43:08 AM 1036 Views
That would make sense given Min's vision RugbyPlayingAshaman - 16/12/2011 04:37:56 PM 855 Views
Wait.. I DIDN'T write that! fionwe1987 - 14/12/2011 03:02:04 AM 911 Views
Reply to your question of - "Why use Logain gateway comparison as evidence:" Shannow - 17/12/2011 03:08:19 PM 1058 Views
You're basically saying "correlation equals causation"... fionwe1987 - 18/12/2011 06:18:47 AM 995 Views
On gateways Sidious - 18/12/2011 07:17:09 AM 1033 Views
Might assume that Elayne is stronger in the Power than Aviendha. echooff - 19/12/2011 02:40:46 PM 1214 Views
I suspect he knows that... fionwe1987 - 19/12/2011 05:53:00 PM 911 Views
Nope...some maths problems in your post. Shannow - 19/12/2011 07:41:29 PM 946 Views
But 64 square feet is not Elayne's maximum... fionwe1987 - 20/12/2011 02:46:50 AM 912 Views
But Shielding is also relative. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 27/12/2011 09:35:11 PM 2174 Views
Re: Underestimating Forsaken strength Tedtheman - 22/12/2011 05:24:53 PM 963 Views
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