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Depends on how one defines Aiel darius_sedai Send a noteboard - 04/04/2012 04:11:11 AM
Prophecies of confirmed accuracy tell us that the Aiel will be reduced to a remnant of a remnant by Rand, but Aviendha's vision has at its core problem that the Aiel are too plentiful and powerful, and therefore got bored.


What we don't see in Aviendha's vision is any remnant of the Aiel who go back to The Way of The Leaf ... By definition these are the true Aiel.
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Aviendha, the columns, and the Seanchan DoraSedai - 03/04/2012 04:29:31 PM 1964 Views
The entire point, I believe, is to give Avienda the opportunity to change that future LadyLorraine - 03/04/2012 05:13:48 PM 1253 Views
As far as I understand it, that future is impossible anyway. Fanatic-Templar - 03/04/2012 07:30:52 PM 981 Views
Depends on how one defines Aiel darius_sedai - 04/04/2012 04:11:11 AM 941 Views
There are more than there were before. Fanatic-Templar - 04/04/2012 07:03:27 AM 948 Views
But when the prophesy was made there many followers darius_sedai - 04/04/2012 10:10:54 AM 865 Views
The Tuatha'an are not Aiel. Fanatic-Templar - 04/04/2012 06:28:47 PM 946 Views
Re: The Tuatha'an are not Aiel. DomA - 05/04/2012 01:41:23 AM 1102 Views
Well that more than covers it *NM* darius_sedai - 05/04/2012 04:43:53 AM 458 Views
Re: The Tuatha'an are not Aiel. Fanatic-Templar - 05/04/2012 07:39:04 AM 994 Views
Re: The Tuatha'an are not Aiel. DomA - 05/04/2012 02:14:37 PM 1195 Views
For the record I agree that the visions are not true either darius_sedai - 05/04/2012 02:25:47 PM 932 Views
Re: For the record I agree that the visions are not true either DomA - 05/04/2012 11:36:53 PM 911 Views
Yes, I was thinking of the Aiel's suicidal traditions as well. Fanatic-Templar - 05/04/2012 06:24:56 PM 854 Views
Re: Yes, I was thinking of the Aiel's suicidal traditions as well. DomA - 06/04/2012 12:20:31 AM 1007 Views
Re: The Tuatha'an are not Aiel. DoraSedai - 06/04/2012 10:51:00 PM 895 Views
Re: The Tuatha'an are not Aiel. DoraSedai - 06/04/2012 10:38:24 PM 1138 Views
Re: The Tuatha'an are not Aiel. Fanatic-Templar - 07/04/2012 06:27:27 AM 847 Views
Re: The Tuatha'an are not Aiel. darius_sedai - 07/04/2012 07:23:03 PM 816 Views
So what you're saying... Fanatic-Templar - 07/04/2012 10:07:59 PM 756 Views
What I am saying is that it's not a "pure bloodline" that makes one an Aiel darius_sedai - 08/04/2012 12:16:10 AM 849 Views
I never said it was. Fanatic-Templar - 08/04/2012 12:43:26 AM 925 Views
Actually you did In your above post you speak of the Tinkers as not Aiel because they have been darius_sedai - 08/04/2012 06:09:01 AM 860 Views
No... Fanatic-Templar - 08/04/2012 07:12:22 AM 969 Views
You have no evidence that the Tuath'an are mostly comprised of runaways etc darius_sedai - 08/04/2012 05:16:54 PM 942 Views
Re: You have no evidence that the Tuath'an are mostly comprised of runaways etc Fanatic-Templar - 08/04/2012 06:43:27 PM 964 Views
Re: You have no evidence that the Tuath'an are mostly comprised of runaways etc rosco12 - 08/04/2012 07:52:10 PM 753 Views
Thanks for that. Fanatic-Templar - 09/04/2012 02:38:25 AM 683 Views
Red hair is double recessive ... Doesn't take much to eliminate it from the gene pool. There could darius_sedai - 08/04/2012 11:22:36 PM 895 Views
You are consistently making the same mistake. Fanatic-Templar - 09/04/2012 02:45:46 AM 748 Views
They are the same thing. The remnant of a remnant are Aiel darius_sedai - 10/04/2012 05:04:55 AM 896 Views
No. They are not. Fanatic-Templar - 10/04/2012 05:42:29 AM 790 Views
Never said the remnant of the remnant was the whole of the Aiel darius_sedai - 10/04/2012 05:45:47 PM 806 Views
You said that redefining the Aiel would allow Aviendha's vision to be possible. Fanatic-Templar - 10/04/2012 06:53:51 PM 976 Views
No , I said there were many ways to interpret the statement based on how one defines Aiel darius_sedai - 10/04/2012 07:36:11 PM 754 Views
All of which is entirely irrelevant. Fanatic-Templar - 10/04/2012 07:38:29 PM 773 Views
Actually it states he will save a remnant of a remnant darius_sedai - 10/04/2012 07:47:04 PM 843 Views
Re: Actually it states he will save a remnant of a remnant Fanatic-Templar - 11/04/2012 01:40:36 AM 821 Views
That is what I just said darius_sedai - 14/04/2012 01:41:56 AM 790 Views
What is important about that? Fanatic-Templar - 14/04/2012 04:35:55 AM 761 Views
The importance is that the prophesy says that Rand darius_sedai - 14/04/2012 06:06:31 PM 936 Views
So what you're saying is... Fanatic-Templar - 14/04/2012 09:45:36 PM 812 Views
That's exactly it darius_sedai - 14/04/2012 11:21:25 PM 881 Views
Good. Fanatic-Templar - 15/04/2012 02:01:14 AM 907 Views
He sets it in motion, thus his actions lead to it darius_sedai - 15/04/2012 02:55:13 PM 770 Views
Yes, but in that case, he is responsible for everything, ever. Fanatic-Templar - 15/04/2012 05:29:31 PM 874 Views
We are interpreting Prophesy here ... Direct v. Indirect actions are what we are discussing darius_sedai - 15/04/2012 07:21:29 PM 765 Views
Re: We are interpreting Prophesy here ... Direct v. Indirect actions are what we are discussing DomA - 17/04/2012 04:18:32 AM 963 Views
Depends on how you look at the Prophesy darius_sedai - 18/04/2012 01:45:23 PM 720 Views
Of course, but the point of my example was... Fanatic-Templar - 17/04/2012 06:08:09 PM 753 Views
Where are you getting this happens over thousands of years? darius_sedai - 18/04/2012 01:47:42 PM 757 Views
Because that was the important part of that post. Fanatic-Templar - 18/04/2012 05:28:10 PM 885 Views
Don't know when this became about winning darius_sedai - 19/04/2012 02:08:16 AM 670 Views
Re: I never said it was. DoraSedai - 18/04/2012 12:37:23 AM 940 Views
Re: As far as I understand it, that future is impossible anyway. DomA - 04/04/2012 07:16:13 AM 988 Views
Re: As far as I understand it, that future is impossible anyway. DoraSedai - 06/04/2012 10:33:00 PM 873 Views
Thank you for that analysis. *NM* JasonD - 17/04/2012 12:36:08 AM 437 Views
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