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For the record I agree that the visions are not true either darius_sedai Send a noteboard - 05/04/2012 02:25:47 PM
I think we've seen often enough that true prophesy (i.e. Foretelling) cannot be changed, but is almost always so cryptic that it's almost impossible to figure out anyway. Dreaming is more general and allows for "Possible" future events ... Things like the Ter'angreal could be visions like what Rand and the others had from mirror worlds ... No reason to believe this is more than one possible set of future events.
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Aviendha, the columns, and the Seanchan DoraSedai - 03/04/2012 04:29:31 PM 2329 Views
The entire point, I believe, is to give Avienda the opportunity to change that future LadyLorraine - 03/04/2012 05:13:48 PM 1699 Views
As far as I understand it, that future is impossible anyway. Fanatic-Templar - 03/04/2012 07:30:52 PM 1332 Views
Depends on how one defines Aiel darius_sedai - 04/04/2012 04:11:11 AM 1295 Views
There are more than there were before. Fanatic-Templar - 04/04/2012 07:03:27 AM 1279 Views
But when the prophesy was made there many followers darius_sedai - 04/04/2012 10:10:54 AM 1224 Views
The Tuatha'an are not Aiel. Fanatic-Templar - 04/04/2012 06:28:47 PM 1310 Views
Re: The Tuatha'an are not Aiel. DomA - 05/04/2012 01:41:23 AM 1583 Views
Well that more than covers it *NM* darius_sedai - 05/04/2012 04:43:53 AM 654 Views
Re: The Tuatha'an are not Aiel. Fanatic-Templar - 05/04/2012 07:39:04 AM 1395 Views
Re: The Tuatha'an are not Aiel. DomA - 05/04/2012 02:14:37 PM 1737 Views
For the record I agree that the visions are not true either darius_sedai - 05/04/2012 02:25:47 PM 1262 Views
Re: For the record I agree that the visions are not true either DomA - 05/04/2012 11:36:53 PM 1265 Views
Yes, I was thinking of the Aiel's suicidal traditions as well. Fanatic-Templar - 05/04/2012 06:24:56 PM 1200 Views
Re: Yes, I was thinking of the Aiel's suicidal traditions as well. DomA - 06/04/2012 12:20:31 AM 1408 Views
Re: The Tuatha'an are not Aiel. DoraSedai - 06/04/2012 10:51:00 PM 1342 Views
Re: The Tuatha'an are not Aiel. DoraSedai - 06/04/2012 10:38:24 PM 1554 Views
Re: The Tuatha'an are not Aiel. Fanatic-Templar - 07/04/2012 06:27:27 AM 1245 Views
Re: The Tuatha'an are not Aiel. darius_sedai - 07/04/2012 07:23:03 PM 1152 Views
So what you're saying... Fanatic-Templar - 07/04/2012 10:07:59 PM 1084 Views
What I am saying is that it's not a "pure bloodline" that makes one an Aiel darius_sedai - 08/04/2012 12:16:10 AM 1207 Views
I never said it was. Fanatic-Templar - 08/04/2012 12:43:26 AM 1341 Views
Actually you did In your above post you speak of the Tinkers as not Aiel because they have been darius_sedai - 08/04/2012 06:09:01 AM 1258 Views
No... Fanatic-Templar - 08/04/2012 07:12:22 AM 1365 Views
You have no evidence that the Tuath'an are mostly comprised of runaways etc darius_sedai - 08/04/2012 05:16:54 PM 1336 Views
Re: You have no evidence that the Tuath'an are mostly comprised of runaways etc Fanatic-Templar - 08/04/2012 06:43:27 PM 1347 Views
Re: You have no evidence that the Tuath'an are mostly comprised of runaways etc rosco12 - 08/04/2012 07:52:10 PM 1146 Views
Thanks for that. Fanatic-Templar - 09/04/2012 02:38:25 AM 1000 Views
Red hair is double recessive ... Doesn't take much to eliminate it from the gene pool. There could darius_sedai - 08/04/2012 11:22:36 PM 1239 Views
You are consistently making the same mistake. Fanatic-Templar - 09/04/2012 02:45:46 AM 1133 Views
They are the same thing. The remnant of a remnant are Aiel darius_sedai - 10/04/2012 05:04:55 AM 1294 Views
No. They are not. Fanatic-Templar - 10/04/2012 05:42:29 AM 1150 Views
Never said the remnant of the remnant was the whole of the Aiel darius_sedai - 10/04/2012 05:45:47 PM 1159 Views
You said that redefining the Aiel would allow Aviendha's vision to be possible. Fanatic-Templar - 10/04/2012 06:53:51 PM 1350 Views
No , I said there were many ways to interpret the statement based on how one defines Aiel darius_sedai - 10/04/2012 07:36:11 PM 1084 Views
All of which is entirely irrelevant. Fanatic-Templar - 10/04/2012 07:38:29 PM 1146 Views
Actually it states he will save a remnant of a remnant darius_sedai - 10/04/2012 07:47:04 PM 1200 Views
Re: Actually it states he will save a remnant of a remnant Fanatic-Templar - 11/04/2012 01:40:36 AM 1192 Views
That is what I just said darius_sedai - 14/04/2012 01:41:56 AM 1155 Views
What is important about that? Fanatic-Templar - 14/04/2012 04:35:55 AM 1118 Views
The importance is that the prophesy says that Rand darius_sedai - 14/04/2012 06:06:31 PM 1285 Views
So what you're saying is... Fanatic-Templar - 14/04/2012 09:45:36 PM 1181 Views
That's exactly it darius_sedai - 14/04/2012 11:21:25 PM 1243 Views
Good. Fanatic-Templar - 15/04/2012 02:01:14 AM 1251 Views
He sets it in motion, thus his actions lead to it darius_sedai - 15/04/2012 02:55:13 PM 1151 Views
Yes, but in that case, he is responsible for everything, ever. Fanatic-Templar - 15/04/2012 05:29:31 PM 1189 Views
We are interpreting Prophesy here ... Direct v. Indirect actions are what we are discussing darius_sedai - 15/04/2012 07:21:29 PM 1175 Views
Re: We are interpreting Prophesy here ... Direct v. Indirect actions are what we are discussing DomA - 17/04/2012 04:18:32 AM 1378 Views
Depends on how you look at the Prophesy darius_sedai - 18/04/2012 01:45:23 PM 1090 Views
Of course, but the point of my example was... Fanatic-Templar - 17/04/2012 06:08:09 PM 1136 Views
Where are you getting this happens over thousands of years? darius_sedai - 18/04/2012 01:47:42 PM 1050 Views
Because that was the important part of that post. Fanatic-Templar - 18/04/2012 05:28:10 PM 1246 Views
Don't know when this became about winning darius_sedai - 19/04/2012 02:08:16 AM 1010 Views
Re: I never said it was. DoraSedai - 18/04/2012 12:37:23 AM 1303 Views
Re: As far as I understand it, that future is impossible anyway. DomA - 04/04/2012 07:16:13 AM 1374 Views
Re: As far as I understand it, that future is impossible anyway. DoraSedai - 06/04/2012 10:33:00 PM 1234 Views
Thank you for that analysis. *NM* JasonD - 17/04/2012 12:36:08 AM 616 Views
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