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For the record I agree that the visions are not true either darius_sedai Send a noteboard - 05/04/2012 02:25:47 PM
I think we've seen often enough that true prophesy (i.e. Foretelling) cannot be changed, but is almost always so cryptic that it's almost impossible to figure out anyway. Dreaming is more general and allows for "Possible" future events ... Things like the Ter'angreal could be visions like what Rand and the others had from mirror worlds ... No reason to believe this is more than one possible set of future events.
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Aviendha, the columns, and the Seanchan DoraSedai - 03/04/2012 04:29:31 PM 2169 Views
The entire point, I believe, is to give Avienda the opportunity to change that future LadyLorraine - 03/04/2012 05:13:48 PM 1546 Views
As far as I understand it, that future is impossible anyway. Fanatic-Templar - 03/04/2012 07:30:52 PM 1177 Views
Depends on how one defines Aiel darius_sedai - 04/04/2012 04:11:11 AM 1146 Views
There are more than there were before. Fanatic-Templar - 04/04/2012 07:03:27 AM 1147 Views
But when the prophesy was made there many followers darius_sedai - 04/04/2012 10:10:54 AM 1080 Views
The Tuatha'an are not Aiel. Fanatic-Templar - 04/04/2012 06:28:47 PM 1167 Views
Re: The Tuatha'an are not Aiel. DomA - 05/04/2012 01:41:23 AM 1407 Views
Well that more than covers it *NM* darius_sedai - 05/04/2012 04:43:53 AM 554 Views
Re: The Tuatha'an are not Aiel. Fanatic-Templar - 05/04/2012 07:39:04 AM 1217 Views
Re: The Tuatha'an are not Aiel. DomA - 05/04/2012 02:14:37 PM 1513 Views
For the record I agree that the visions are not true either darius_sedai - 05/04/2012 02:25:47 PM 1121 Views
Re: For the record I agree that the visions are not true either DomA - 05/04/2012 11:36:53 PM 1107 Views
Yes, I was thinking of the Aiel's suicidal traditions as well. Fanatic-Templar - 05/04/2012 06:24:56 PM 1054 Views
Re: Yes, I was thinking of the Aiel's suicidal traditions as well. DomA - 06/04/2012 12:20:31 AM 1237 Views
Re: The Tuatha'an are not Aiel. DoraSedai - 06/04/2012 10:51:00 PM 1113 Views
Re: The Tuatha'an are not Aiel. DoraSedai - 06/04/2012 10:38:24 PM 1387 Views
Re: The Tuatha'an are not Aiel. Fanatic-Templar - 07/04/2012 06:27:27 AM 1086 Views
Re: The Tuatha'an are not Aiel. darius_sedai - 07/04/2012 07:23:03 PM 1001 Views
So what you're saying... Fanatic-Templar - 07/04/2012 10:07:59 PM 940 Views
What I am saying is that it's not a "pure bloodline" that makes one an Aiel darius_sedai - 08/04/2012 12:16:10 AM 1052 Views
I never said it was. Fanatic-Templar - 08/04/2012 12:43:26 AM 1149 Views
Actually you did In your above post you speak of the Tinkers as not Aiel because they have been darius_sedai - 08/04/2012 06:09:01 AM 1093 Views
No... Fanatic-Templar - 08/04/2012 07:12:22 AM 1184 Views
You have no evidence that the Tuath'an are mostly comprised of runaways etc darius_sedai - 08/04/2012 05:16:54 PM 1174 Views
Re: You have no evidence that the Tuath'an are mostly comprised of runaways etc Fanatic-Templar - 08/04/2012 06:43:27 PM 1183 Views
Re: You have no evidence that the Tuath'an are mostly comprised of runaways etc rosco12 - 08/04/2012 07:52:10 PM 966 Views
Thanks for that. Fanatic-Templar - 09/04/2012 02:38:25 AM 865 Views
Red hair is double recessive ... Doesn't take much to eliminate it from the gene pool. There could darius_sedai - 08/04/2012 11:22:36 PM 1078 Views
You are consistently making the same mistake. Fanatic-Templar - 09/04/2012 02:45:46 AM 958 Views
They are the same thing. The remnant of a remnant are Aiel darius_sedai - 10/04/2012 05:04:55 AM 1119 Views
No. They are not. Fanatic-Templar - 10/04/2012 05:42:29 AM 983 Views
Never said the remnant of the remnant was the whole of the Aiel darius_sedai - 10/04/2012 05:45:47 PM 997 Views
You said that redefining the Aiel would allow Aviendha's vision to be possible. Fanatic-Templar - 10/04/2012 06:53:51 PM 1179 Views
No , I said there were many ways to interpret the statement based on how one defines Aiel darius_sedai - 10/04/2012 07:36:11 PM 938 Views
All of which is entirely irrelevant. Fanatic-Templar - 10/04/2012 07:38:29 PM 965 Views
Actually it states he will save a remnant of a remnant darius_sedai - 10/04/2012 07:47:04 PM 1029 Views
Re: Actually it states he will save a remnant of a remnant Fanatic-Templar - 11/04/2012 01:40:36 AM 1043 Views
That is what I just said darius_sedai - 14/04/2012 01:41:56 AM 1001 Views
What is important about that? Fanatic-Templar - 14/04/2012 04:35:55 AM 968 Views
The importance is that the prophesy says that Rand darius_sedai - 14/04/2012 06:06:31 PM 1134 Views
So what you're saying is... Fanatic-Templar - 14/04/2012 09:45:36 PM 1034 Views
That's exactly it darius_sedai - 14/04/2012 11:21:25 PM 1088 Views
Good. Fanatic-Templar - 15/04/2012 02:01:14 AM 1117 Views
He sets it in motion, thus his actions lead to it darius_sedai - 15/04/2012 02:55:13 PM 965 Views
Yes, but in that case, he is responsible for everything, ever. Fanatic-Templar - 15/04/2012 05:29:31 PM 1049 Views
We are interpreting Prophesy here ... Direct v. Indirect actions are what we are discussing darius_sedai - 15/04/2012 07:21:29 PM 998 Views
Re: We are interpreting Prophesy here ... Direct v. Indirect actions are what we are discussing DomA - 17/04/2012 04:18:32 AM 1204 Views
Depends on how you look at the Prophesy darius_sedai - 18/04/2012 01:45:23 PM 934 Views
Of course, but the point of my example was... Fanatic-Templar - 17/04/2012 06:08:09 PM 972 Views
Where are you getting this happens over thousands of years? darius_sedai - 18/04/2012 01:47:42 PM 917 Views
Because that was the important part of that post. Fanatic-Templar - 18/04/2012 05:28:10 PM 1078 Views
Don't know when this became about winning darius_sedai - 19/04/2012 02:08:16 AM 868 Views
Re: I never said it was. DoraSedai - 18/04/2012 12:37:23 AM 1160 Views
Re: As far as I understand it, that future is impossible anyway. DomA - 04/04/2012 07:16:13 AM 1193 Views
Re: As far as I understand it, that future is impossible anyway. DoraSedai - 06/04/2012 10:33:00 PM 1084 Views
Thank you for that analysis. *NM* JasonD - 17/04/2012 12:36:08 AM 531 Views
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