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Re: The Tuatha'an are not Aiel. DoraSedai Send a noteboard - 06/04/2012 10:38:24 PM
They abandoned their duties and are largely formed from wetland runaways. They are not Aiel philosophically nor genetically.


They may have abandoned their duties, but they do not use weapons.

As for there still being Jenn at the time of the prophecy, I'd say that's completely irrelevant. If you disagree, you must explain how Rand is supposed to save something that has already died out. Will he master time travel?


The "remnant of a remnant" would be that the Aiel become permanent gai'shain once again. To do no violence. A lot of gai'shain have not put off the white and will not now. They were shamed to the bone of what their ancestors have done and believe this is the only way to regain their honor.
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Aviendha, the columns, and the Seanchan DoraSedai - 03/04/2012 04:29:31 PM 2208 Views
The entire point, I believe, is to give Avienda the opportunity to change that future LadyLorraine - 03/04/2012 05:13:48 PM 1595 Views
As far as I understand it, that future is impossible anyway. Fanatic-Templar - 03/04/2012 07:30:52 PM 1207 Views
Depends on how one defines Aiel darius_sedai - 04/04/2012 04:11:11 AM 1178 Views
There are more than there were before. Fanatic-Templar - 04/04/2012 07:03:27 AM 1178 Views
But when the prophesy was made there many followers darius_sedai - 04/04/2012 10:10:54 AM 1107 Views
The Tuatha'an are not Aiel. Fanatic-Templar - 04/04/2012 06:28:47 PM 1198 Views
Re: The Tuatha'an are not Aiel. DomA - 05/04/2012 01:41:23 AM 1454 Views
Well that more than covers it *NM* darius_sedai - 05/04/2012 04:43:53 AM 572 Views
Re: The Tuatha'an are not Aiel. Fanatic-Templar - 05/04/2012 07:39:04 AM 1261 Views
Re: The Tuatha'an are not Aiel. DomA - 05/04/2012 02:14:37 PM 1589 Views
For the record I agree that the visions are not true either darius_sedai - 05/04/2012 02:25:47 PM 1156 Views
Re: For the record I agree that the visions are not true either DomA - 05/04/2012 11:36:53 PM 1140 Views
Yes, I was thinking of the Aiel's suicidal traditions as well. Fanatic-Templar - 05/04/2012 06:24:56 PM 1087 Views
Re: Yes, I was thinking of the Aiel's suicidal traditions as well. DomA - 06/04/2012 12:20:31 AM 1277 Views
Re: The Tuatha'an are not Aiel. DoraSedai - 06/04/2012 10:51:00 PM 1165 Views
Re: The Tuatha'an are not Aiel. DoraSedai - 06/04/2012 10:38:24 PM 1422 Views
Re: The Tuatha'an are not Aiel. Fanatic-Templar - 07/04/2012 06:27:27 AM 1118 Views
Re: The Tuatha'an are not Aiel. darius_sedai - 07/04/2012 07:23:03 PM 1036 Views
So what you're saying... Fanatic-Templar - 07/04/2012 10:07:59 PM 969 Views
What I am saying is that it's not a "pure bloodline" that makes one an Aiel darius_sedai - 08/04/2012 12:16:10 AM 1085 Views
I never said it was. Fanatic-Templar - 08/04/2012 12:43:26 AM 1192 Views
Actually you did In your above post you speak of the Tinkers as not Aiel because they have been darius_sedai - 08/04/2012 06:09:01 AM 1128 Views
No... Fanatic-Templar - 08/04/2012 07:12:22 AM 1219 Views
You have no evidence that the Tuath'an are mostly comprised of runaways etc darius_sedai - 08/04/2012 05:16:54 PM 1207 Views
Re: You have no evidence that the Tuath'an are mostly comprised of runaways etc Fanatic-Templar - 08/04/2012 06:43:27 PM 1216 Views
Re: You have no evidence that the Tuath'an are mostly comprised of runaways etc rosco12 - 08/04/2012 07:52:10 PM 997 Views
Thanks for that. Fanatic-Templar - 09/04/2012 02:38:25 AM 898 Views
Red hair is double recessive ... Doesn't take much to eliminate it from the gene pool. There could darius_sedai - 08/04/2012 11:22:36 PM 1115 Views
You are consistently making the same mistake. Fanatic-Templar - 09/04/2012 02:45:46 AM 991 Views
They are the same thing. The remnant of a remnant are Aiel darius_sedai - 10/04/2012 05:04:55 AM 1152 Views
No. They are not. Fanatic-Templar - 10/04/2012 05:42:29 AM 1013 Views
Never said the remnant of the remnant was the whole of the Aiel darius_sedai - 10/04/2012 05:45:47 PM 1036 Views
You said that redefining the Aiel would allow Aviendha's vision to be possible. Fanatic-Templar - 10/04/2012 06:53:51 PM 1220 Views
No , I said there were many ways to interpret the statement based on how one defines Aiel darius_sedai - 10/04/2012 07:36:11 PM 971 Views
All of which is entirely irrelevant. Fanatic-Templar - 10/04/2012 07:38:29 PM 1003 Views
Actually it states he will save a remnant of a remnant darius_sedai - 10/04/2012 07:47:04 PM 1057 Views
Re: Actually it states he will save a remnant of a remnant Fanatic-Templar - 11/04/2012 01:40:36 AM 1074 Views
That is what I just said darius_sedai - 14/04/2012 01:41:56 AM 1034 Views
What is important about that? Fanatic-Templar - 14/04/2012 04:35:55 AM 1001 Views
The importance is that the prophesy says that Rand darius_sedai - 14/04/2012 06:06:31 PM 1164 Views
So what you're saying is... Fanatic-Templar - 14/04/2012 09:45:36 PM 1078 Views
That's exactly it darius_sedai - 14/04/2012 11:21:25 PM 1119 Views
Good. Fanatic-Templar - 15/04/2012 02:01:14 AM 1146 Views
He sets it in motion, thus his actions lead to it darius_sedai - 15/04/2012 02:55:13 PM 995 Views
Yes, but in that case, he is responsible for everything, ever. Fanatic-Templar - 15/04/2012 05:29:31 PM 1082 Views
We are interpreting Prophesy here ... Direct v. Indirect actions are what we are discussing darius_sedai - 15/04/2012 07:21:29 PM 1055 Views
Re: We are interpreting Prophesy here ... Direct v. Indirect actions are what we are discussing DomA - 17/04/2012 04:18:32 AM 1243 Views
Depends on how you look at the Prophesy darius_sedai - 18/04/2012 01:45:23 PM 964 Views
Of course, but the point of my example was... Fanatic-Templar - 17/04/2012 06:08:09 PM 1007 Views
Where are you getting this happens over thousands of years? darius_sedai - 18/04/2012 01:47:42 PM 940 Views
Because that was the important part of that post. Fanatic-Templar - 18/04/2012 05:28:10 PM 1112 Views
Don't know when this became about winning darius_sedai - 19/04/2012 02:08:16 AM 900 Views
Re: I never said it was. DoraSedai - 18/04/2012 12:37:23 AM 1186 Views
Re: As far as I understand it, that future is impossible anyway. DomA - 04/04/2012 07:16:13 AM 1232 Views
Re: As far as I understand it, that future is impossible anyway. DoraSedai - 06/04/2012 10:33:00 PM 1120 Views
Thank you for that analysis. *NM* JasonD - 17/04/2012 12:36:08 AM 547 Views
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