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What I am saying is that it's not a "pure bloodline" that makes one an Aiel darius_sedai Send a noteboard - 08/04/2012 12:16:10 AM
... is that the Rhuidean Prophecy delivered to the Aiel is about how Rand will destroy the Tuatha'an, except for a remnant of a remnant? Why would such a prophecy be given to the Aiel?

Especially given that the Rhuidean Prophecy says: Of the blood, but not raised by the blood, he will come from Rhuidean at dawn and tie you together with bonds you cannot break. He will take you back, and he will destroy you.”

It seems far more reasonable to assume that the four "you"s in that passage refer to the same group, and we can already presume that the first three apply to the Aiel, not to the Tuatha'an (indeed, Rand has done nothing for the Tuatha'an at all).


There is an ideology behind it, The Way of the Leaf, which makes it possible that the Prophesy you refer to could easily include the Tuath'an. There is no indication in that Prophesy that all of these remnant MUST be "pure blooded" In fact the Aiel don't really consider Rand Aiel, simply "of the same blood"... Thus they have tried to teach him who they are .... Clearly a more important identifier, they did after all consider his mother an Aiel once she learned their ways.

As for what Rand and the Prophesy, why else show the creation of the Tuatha'an as part of the Aiel history to him? Seems to me that they and the Aiel will have a reconciliation of some kind for the remnant to survive. IIRC some of the Aiel who threw down their spears went in sarch of the Tuatha'an ... But I'm not sure if I recall that correctly.

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Aviendha, the columns, and the Seanchan DoraSedai - 03/04/2012 04:29:31 PM 2207 Views
The entire point, I believe, is to give Avienda the opportunity to change that future LadyLorraine - 03/04/2012 05:13:48 PM 1594 Views
As far as I understand it, that future is impossible anyway. Fanatic-Templar - 03/04/2012 07:30:52 PM 1205 Views
Depends on how one defines Aiel darius_sedai - 04/04/2012 04:11:11 AM 1176 Views
There are more than there were before. Fanatic-Templar - 04/04/2012 07:03:27 AM 1177 Views
But when the prophesy was made there many followers darius_sedai - 04/04/2012 10:10:54 AM 1106 Views
The Tuatha'an are not Aiel. Fanatic-Templar - 04/04/2012 06:28:47 PM 1198 Views
Re: The Tuatha'an are not Aiel. DomA - 05/04/2012 01:41:23 AM 1451 Views
Well that more than covers it *NM* darius_sedai - 05/04/2012 04:43:53 AM 572 Views
Re: The Tuatha'an are not Aiel. Fanatic-Templar - 05/04/2012 07:39:04 AM 1259 Views
Re: The Tuatha'an are not Aiel. DomA - 05/04/2012 02:14:37 PM 1588 Views
For the record I agree that the visions are not true either darius_sedai - 05/04/2012 02:25:47 PM 1154 Views
Re: For the record I agree that the visions are not true either DomA - 05/04/2012 11:36:53 PM 1140 Views
Yes, I was thinking of the Aiel's suicidal traditions as well. Fanatic-Templar - 05/04/2012 06:24:56 PM 1086 Views
Re: Yes, I was thinking of the Aiel's suicidal traditions as well. DomA - 06/04/2012 12:20:31 AM 1276 Views
Re: The Tuatha'an are not Aiel. DoraSedai - 06/04/2012 10:51:00 PM 1163 Views
Re: The Tuatha'an are not Aiel. DoraSedai - 06/04/2012 10:38:24 PM 1420 Views
Re: The Tuatha'an are not Aiel. Fanatic-Templar - 07/04/2012 06:27:27 AM 1117 Views
Re: The Tuatha'an are not Aiel. darius_sedai - 07/04/2012 07:23:03 PM 1033 Views
So what you're saying... Fanatic-Templar - 07/04/2012 10:07:59 PM 968 Views
What I am saying is that it's not a "pure bloodline" that makes one an Aiel darius_sedai - 08/04/2012 12:16:10 AM 1084 Views
I never said it was. Fanatic-Templar - 08/04/2012 12:43:26 AM 1191 Views
Actually you did In your above post you speak of the Tinkers as not Aiel because they have been darius_sedai - 08/04/2012 06:09:01 AM 1125 Views
No... Fanatic-Templar - 08/04/2012 07:12:22 AM 1217 Views
You have no evidence that the Tuath'an are mostly comprised of runaways etc darius_sedai - 08/04/2012 05:16:54 PM 1206 Views
Re: You have no evidence that the Tuath'an are mostly comprised of runaways etc Fanatic-Templar - 08/04/2012 06:43:27 PM 1213 Views
Re: You have no evidence that the Tuath'an are mostly comprised of runaways etc rosco12 - 08/04/2012 07:52:10 PM 997 Views
Thanks for that. Fanatic-Templar - 09/04/2012 02:38:25 AM 897 Views
Red hair is double recessive ... Doesn't take much to eliminate it from the gene pool. There could darius_sedai - 08/04/2012 11:22:36 PM 1115 Views
You are consistently making the same mistake. Fanatic-Templar - 09/04/2012 02:45:46 AM 989 Views
They are the same thing. The remnant of a remnant are Aiel darius_sedai - 10/04/2012 05:04:55 AM 1152 Views
No. They are not. Fanatic-Templar - 10/04/2012 05:42:29 AM 1011 Views
Never said the remnant of the remnant was the whole of the Aiel darius_sedai - 10/04/2012 05:45:47 PM 1036 Views
You said that redefining the Aiel would allow Aviendha's vision to be possible. Fanatic-Templar - 10/04/2012 06:53:51 PM 1218 Views
No , I said there were many ways to interpret the statement based on how one defines Aiel darius_sedai - 10/04/2012 07:36:11 PM 969 Views
All of which is entirely irrelevant. Fanatic-Templar - 10/04/2012 07:38:29 PM 1000 Views
Actually it states he will save a remnant of a remnant darius_sedai - 10/04/2012 07:47:04 PM 1056 Views
Re: Actually it states he will save a remnant of a remnant Fanatic-Templar - 11/04/2012 01:40:36 AM 1073 Views
That is what I just said darius_sedai - 14/04/2012 01:41:56 AM 1032 Views
What is important about that? Fanatic-Templar - 14/04/2012 04:35:55 AM 1000 Views
The importance is that the prophesy says that Rand darius_sedai - 14/04/2012 06:06:31 PM 1161 Views
So what you're saying is... Fanatic-Templar - 14/04/2012 09:45:36 PM 1075 Views
That's exactly it darius_sedai - 14/04/2012 11:21:25 PM 1117 Views
Good. Fanatic-Templar - 15/04/2012 02:01:14 AM 1145 Views
He sets it in motion, thus his actions lead to it darius_sedai - 15/04/2012 02:55:13 PM 995 Views
Yes, but in that case, he is responsible for everything, ever. Fanatic-Templar - 15/04/2012 05:29:31 PM 1080 Views
We are interpreting Prophesy here ... Direct v. Indirect actions are what we are discussing darius_sedai - 15/04/2012 07:21:29 PM 1053 Views
Re: We are interpreting Prophesy here ... Direct v. Indirect actions are what we are discussing DomA - 17/04/2012 04:18:32 AM 1242 Views
Depends on how you look at the Prophesy darius_sedai - 18/04/2012 01:45:23 PM 964 Views
Of course, but the point of my example was... Fanatic-Templar - 17/04/2012 06:08:09 PM 1005 Views
Where are you getting this happens over thousands of years? darius_sedai - 18/04/2012 01:47:42 PM 940 Views
Because that was the important part of that post. Fanatic-Templar - 18/04/2012 05:28:10 PM 1111 Views
Don't know when this became about winning darius_sedai - 19/04/2012 02:08:16 AM 900 Views
Re: I never said it was. DoraSedai - 18/04/2012 12:37:23 AM 1185 Views
Re: As far as I understand it, that future is impossible anyway. DomA - 04/04/2012 07:16:13 AM 1232 Views
Re: As far as I understand it, that future is impossible anyway. DoraSedai - 06/04/2012 10:33:00 PM 1119 Views
Thank you for that analysis. *NM* JasonD - 17/04/2012 12:36:08 AM 547 Views
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