As for what Rand and the Prophesy, why else show the creation of the Tuatha'an as part of the Aiel history to him? Seems to me that they and the Aiel will have a reconciliation of some kind for the remnant to survive. IIRC some of the Aiel who threw down their spears went in sarch of the Tuatha'an ... But I'm not sure if I recall that correctly.
No, you are quite correct.
But that's beside the point. The point is that a fraction of the group "the Aiel" will be saved, but the rest will be destroyed. The way you choose to define "the Aiel" for the sake of this prophecy doesn't matter unless it can lead to both those end results.
Aviendha's vision is not possible, because regardless of what defines that saved fraction of the Aiel, the other part of that fraction was not destroyed. The prophecy predicts both.
If you choose to define "the Aiel" in a way other than the accepted use of the term as referring to the tribal people from the Aiel Waste who share a similar culture and history, then you may attempt to do so, but it needs to be able to fulfill those two end results. For example, it must be a group of people preexisting at the time of Rand's actions as the Dragon Reborn, elsewise there is no remnant to save nor any portion to destroy, as it is impossible to divide by zero, nor to save people who don't exist, nor to destroy people who don't exist.
So for the sake of clarity, please answer these two questions:
1: Do you agree that the Rhuidean Prophecy states that He Who Comes With The Dawn will destroy "the Aiel" except for a remnant of a remnant whom he shall save?
2: How do you define "the Aiel"?
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Aviendha, the columns, and the Seanchan
- 03/04/2012 04:29:31 PM
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The entire point, I believe, is to give Avienda the opportunity to change that future
- 03/04/2012 05:13:48 PM
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As far as I understand it, that future is impossible anyway.
- 03/04/2012 07:30:52 PM
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Depends on how one defines Aiel
- 04/04/2012 04:11:11 AM
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There are more than there were before.
- 04/04/2012 07:03:27 AM
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But when the prophesy was made there many followers
- 04/04/2012 10:10:54 AM
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The Tuatha'an are not Aiel.
- 04/04/2012 06:28:47 PM
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Re: The Tuatha'an are not Aiel.
- 05/04/2012 01:41:23 AM
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Re: The Tuatha'an are not Aiel.
- 05/04/2012 07:39:04 AM
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Re: The Tuatha'an are not Aiel.
- 05/04/2012 02:14:37 PM
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Yes, I was thinking of the Aiel's suicidal traditions as well.
- 05/04/2012 06:24:56 PM
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Re: Yes, I was thinking of the Aiel's suicidal traditions as well.
- 06/04/2012 12:20:31 AM
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Re: The Tuatha'an are not Aiel.
- 06/04/2012 10:38:24 PM
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Re: The Tuatha'an are not Aiel.
- 07/04/2012 06:27:27 AM
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Re: The Tuatha'an are not Aiel.
- 07/04/2012 07:23:03 PM
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So what you're saying...
- 07/04/2012 10:07:59 PM
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What I am saying is that it's not a "pure bloodline" that makes one an Aiel
- 08/04/2012 12:16:10 AM
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I never said it was.
- 08/04/2012 12:43:26 AM
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Actually you did In your above post you speak of the Tinkers as not Aiel because they have been
- 08/04/2012 06:09:01 AM
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No...
- 08/04/2012 07:12:22 AM
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You have no evidence that the Tuath'an are mostly comprised of runaways etc
- 08/04/2012 05:16:54 PM
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Re: You have no evidence that the Tuath'an are mostly comprised of runaways etc
- 08/04/2012 06:43:27 PM
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Re: You have no evidence that the Tuath'an are mostly comprised of runaways etc
- 08/04/2012 07:52:10 PM
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Red hair is double recessive ... Doesn't take much to eliminate it from the gene pool. There could
- 08/04/2012 11:22:36 PM
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You are consistently making the same mistake.
- 09/04/2012 02:45:46 AM
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They are the same thing. The remnant of a remnant are Aiel
- 10/04/2012 05:04:55 AM
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No. They are not.
- 10/04/2012 05:42:29 AM
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Never said the remnant of the remnant was the whole of the Aiel
- 10/04/2012 05:45:47 PM
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You said that redefining the Aiel would allow Aviendha's vision to be possible.
- 10/04/2012 06:53:51 PM
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No , I said there were many ways to interpret the statement based on how one defines Aiel
- 10/04/2012 07:36:11 PM
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All of which is entirely irrelevant.
- 10/04/2012 07:38:29 PM
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Actually it states he will save a remnant of a remnant
- 10/04/2012 07:47:04 PM
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Re: Actually it states he will save a remnant of a remnant
- 11/04/2012 01:40:36 AM
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That is what I just said
- 14/04/2012 01:41:56 AM
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What is important about that?
- 14/04/2012 04:35:55 AM
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The importance is that the prophesy says that Rand
- 14/04/2012 06:06:31 PM
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So what you're saying is...
- 14/04/2012 09:45:36 PM
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That's exactly it
- 14/04/2012 11:21:25 PM
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- 14/04/2012 11:21:25 PM
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Good.
- 15/04/2012 02:01:14 AM
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He sets it in motion, thus his actions lead to it
- 15/04/2012 02:55:13 PM
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Yes, but in that case, he is responsible for everything, ever.
- 15/04/2012 05:29:31 PM
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We are interpreting Prophesy here ... Direct v. Indirect actions are what we are discussing
- 15/04/2012 07:21:29 PM
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Re: We are interpreting Prophesy here ... Direct v. Indirect actions are what we are discussing
- 17/04/2012 04:18:32 AM
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Of course, but the point of my example was...
- 17/04/2012 06:08:09 PM
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Where are you getting this happens over thousands of years?
- 18/04/2012 01:47:42 PM
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Re: As far as I understand it, that future is impossible anyway.
- 04/04/2012 07:16:13 AM
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Re: As far as I understand it, that future is impossible anyway.
- 06/04/2012 10:33:00 PM
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