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I never said it was. Fanatic-Templar Send a noteboard - 08/04/2012 12:43:26 AM
As for what Rand and the Prophesy, why else show the creation of the Tuatha'an as part of the Aiel history to him? Seems to me that they and the Aiel will have a reconciliation of some kind for the remnant to survive. IIRC some of the Aiel who threw down their spears went in sarch of the Tuatha'an ... But I'm not sure if I recall that correctly.


No, you are quite correct.

But that's beside the point. The point is that a fraction of the group "the Aiel" will be saved, but the rest will be destroyed. The way you choose to define "the Aiel" for the sake of this prophecy doesn't matter unless it can lead to both those end results.

Aviendha's vision is not possible, because regardless of what defines that saved fraction of the Aiel, the other part of that fraction was not destroyed. The prophecy predicts both.

If you choose to define "the Aiel" in a way other than the accepted use of the term as referring to the tribal people from the Aiel Waste who share a similar culture and history, then you may attempt to do so, but it needs to be able to fulfill those two end results. For example, it must be a group of people preexisting at the time of Rand's actions as the Dragon Reborn, elsewise there is no remnant to save nor any portion to destroy, as it is impossible to divide by zero, nor to save people who don't exist, nor to destroy people who don't exist.

So for the sake of clarity, please answer these two questions:

1: Do you agree that the Rhuidean Prophecy states that He Who Comes With The Dawn will destroy "the Aiel" except for a remnant of a remnant whom he shall save?

2: How do you define "the Aiel"?
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Aviendha, the columns, and the Seanchan - 03/04/2012 04:29:31 PM 2044 Views
As far as I understand it, that future is impossible anyway. - 03/04/2012 07:30:52 PM 1072 Views
Depends on how one defines Aiel - 04/04/2012 04:11:11 AM 1018 Views
There are more than there were before. - 04/04/2012 07:03:27 AM 1035 Views
But when the prophesy was made there many followers - 04/04/2012 10:10:54 AM 936 Views
The Tuatha'an are not Aiel. - 04/04/2012 06:28:47 PM 1036 Views
Re: The Tuatha'an are not Aiel. - 05/04/2012 01:41:23 AM 1241 Views
Well that more than covers it *NM* - 05/04/2012 04:43:53 AM 501 Views
Re: The Tuatha'an are not Aiel. - 05/04/2012 07:39:04 AM 1085 Views
Re: The Tuatha'an are not Aiel. - 05/04/2012 02:14:37 PM 1312 Views
For the record I agree that the visions are not true either - 05/04/2012 02:25:47 PM 1018 Views
Re: For the record I agree that the visions are not true either - 05/04/2012 11:36:53 PM 982 Views
Yes, I was thinking of the Aiel's suicidal traditions as well. - 05/04/2012 06:24:56 PM 937 Views
Re: The Tuatha'an are not Aiel. - 06/04/2012 10:51:00 PM 979 Views
Re: The Tuatha'an are not Aiel. - 06/04/2012 10:38:24 PM 1238 Views
Re: The Tuatha'an are not Aiel. - 07/04/2012 06:27:27 AM 927 Views
Re: The Tuatha'an are not Aiel. - 07/04/2012 07:23:03 PM 891 Views
So what you're saying... - 07/04/2012 10:07:59 PM 831 Views
What I am saying is that it's not a "pure bloodline" that makes one an Aiel - 08/04/2012 12:16:10 AM 933 Views
I never said it was. - 08/04/2012 12:43:26 AM 996 Views
Actually you did In your above post you speak of the Tinkers as not Aiel because they have been - 08/04/2012 06:09:01 AM 933 Views
No... - 08/04/2012 07:12:22 AM 1053 Views
You have no evidence that the Tuath'an are mostly comprised of runaways etc - 08/04/2012 05:16:54 PM 1020 Views
Re: You have no evidence that the Tuath'an are mostly comprised of runaways etc - 08/04/2012 06:43:27 PM 1043 Views
Re: You have no evidence that the Tuath'an are mostly comprised of runaways etc - 08/04/2012 07:52:10 PM 830 Views
Thanks for that. - 09/04/2012 02:38:25 AM 762 Views
Red hair is double recessive ... Doesn't take much to eliminate it from the gene pool. There could - 08/04/2012 11:22:36 PM 974 Views
You are consistently making the same mistake. - 09/04/2012 02:45:46 AM 828 Views
They are the same thing. The remnant of a remnant are Aiel - 10/04/2012 05:04:55 AM 972 Views
No. They are not. - 10/04/2012 05:42:29 AM 864 Views
Never said the remnant of the remnant was the whole of the Aiel - 10/04/2012 05:45:47 PM 885 Views
You said that redefining the Aiel would allow Aviendha's vision to be possible. - 10/04/2012 06:53:51 PM 1059 Views
No , I said there were many ways to interpret the statement based on how one defines Aiel - 10/04/2012 07:36:11 PM 832 Views
All of which is entirely irrelevant. - 10/04/2012 07:38:29 PM 844 Views
Actually it states he will save a remnant of a remnant - 10/04/2012 07:47:04 PM 917 Views
Re: Actually it states he will save a remnant of a remnant - 11/04/2012 01:40:36 AM 903 Views
That is what I just said - 14/04/2012 01:41:56 AM 866 Views
What is important about that? - 14/04/2012 04:35:55 AM 844 Views
The importance is that the prophesy says that Rand - 14/04/2012 06:06:31 PM 1008 Views
So what you're saying is... - 14/04/2012 09:45:36 PM 897 Views
That's exactly it - 14/04/2012 11:21:25 PM 961 Views
Good. - 15/04/2012 02:01:14 AM 990 Views
He sets it in motion, thus his actions lead to it - 15/04/2012 02:55:13 PM 841 Views
Yes, but in that case, he is responsible for everything, ever. - 15/04/2012 05:29:31 PM 949 Views
We are interpreting Prophesy here ... Direct v. Indirect actions are what we are discussing - 15/04/2012 07:21:29 PM 852 Views
Re: We are interpreting Prophesy here ... Direct v. Indirect actions are what we are discussing - 17/04/2012 04:18:32 AM 1047 Views
Depends on how you look at the Prophesy - 18/04/2012 01:45:23 PM 795 Views
Of course, but the point of my example was... - 17/04/2012 06:08:09 PM 838 Views
Where are you getting this happens over thousands of years? - 18/04/2012 01:47:42 PM 825 Views
Because that was the important part of that post. - 18/04/2012 05:28:10 PM 966 Views
Don't know when this became about winning - 19/04/2012 02:08:16 AM 754 Views
Re: I never said it was. - 18/04/2012 12:37:23 AM 1025 Views
Re: As far as I understand it, that future is impossible anyway. - 04/04/2012 07:16:13 AM 1059 Views
Re: As far as I understand it, that future is impossible anyway. - 06/04/2012 10:33:00 PM 960 Views
Thank you for that analysis. *NM* - 17/04/2012 12:36:08 AM 473 Views

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