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Re: You have no evidence that the Tuath'an are mostly comprised of runaways etc rosco12 Send a noteboard - 08/04/2012 07:52:10 PM

Again, you have not provided evidence that being an Aiel is defined by following the Way of the Leaf. But let us accept that for the sake of getting to a point. Then you do accept that the Prophecy of Rhuidean states that He Who Comes With The Dawn will destroy "those who follow the Way of the Leaf" except for a remnant of a remnant whom he shall save?

How do you think Rand will destroy those who follow the Way of the Leaf? Rand has not been seen to be involved with followers of the Way of the Leaf at all, that has mostly fallen in Perrin's area.


While I'll rather not get involve in your conversation. I thought I should mention that you(Fanatic Templar) are quoting the prophecy wrongly. The prophecy is:
"He shall spill out the blood of those who call themselves Aiel as water on sand, and he shall break them as dried twigs, yet the remnant of a remnant shall he save, and they shall live."

So obviously those who follow the way of the leaf are not part of that prophecy.
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Aviendha, the columns, and the Seanchan DoraSedai - 03/04/2012 04:29:31 PM 2327 Views
The entire point, I believe, is to give Avienda the opportunity to change that future LadyLorraine - 03/04/2012 05:13:48 PM 1697 Views
As far as I understand it, that future is impossible anyway. Fanatic-Templar - 03/04/2012 07:30:52 PM 1332 Views
Depends on how one defines Aiel darius_sedai - 04/04/2012 04:11:11 AM 1294 Views
There are more than there were before. Fanatic-Templar - 04/04/2012 07:03:27 AM 1278 Views
But when the prophesy was made there many followers darius_sedai - 04/04/2012 10:10:54 AM 1224 Views
The Tuatha'an are not Aiel. Fanatic-Templar - 04/04/2012 06:28:47 PM 1308 Views
Re: The Tuatha'an are not Aiel. DomA - 05/04/2012 01:41:23 AM 1580 Views
Well that more than covers it *NM* darius_sedai - 05/04/2012 04:43:53 AM 654 Views
Re: The Tuatha'an are not Aiel. Fanatic-Templar - 05/04/2012 07:39:04 AM 1393 Views
Re: The Tuatha'an are not Aiel. DomA - 05/04/2012 02:14:37 PM 1735 Views
For the record I agree that the visions are not true either darius_sedai - 05/04/2012 02:25:47 PM 1260 Views
Re: For the record I agree that the visions are not true either DomA - 05/04/2012 11:36:53 PM 1265 Views
Yes, I was thinking of the Aiel's suicidal traditions as well. Fanatic-Templar - 05/04/2012 06:24:56 PM 1198 Views
Re: Yes, I was thinking of the Aiel's suicidal traditions as well. DomA - 06/04/2012 12:20:31 AM 1406 Views
Re: The Tuatha'an are not Aiel. DoraSedai - 06/04/2012 10:51:00 PM 1341 Views
Re: The Tuatha'an are not Aiel. DoraSedai - 06/04/2012 10:38:24 PM 1551 Views
Re: The Tuatha'an are not Aiel. Fanatic-Templar - 07/04/2012 06:27:27 AM 1245 Views
Re: The Tuatha'an are not Aiel. darius_sedai - 07/04/2012 07:23:03 PM 1150 Views
So what you're saying... Fanatic-Templar - 07/04/2012 10:07:59 PM 1082 Views
What I am saying is that it's not a "pure bloodline" that makes one an Aiel darius_sedai - 08/04/2012 12:16:10 AM 1207 Views
I never said it was. Fanatic-Templar - 08/04/2012 12:43:26 AM 1340 Views
Actually you did In your above post you speak of the Tinkers as not Aiel because they have been darius_sedai - 08/04/2012 06:09:01 AM 1258 Views
No... Fanatic-Templar - 08/04/2012 07:12:22 AM 1365 Views
You have no evidence that the Tuath'an are mostly comprised of runaways etc darius_sedai - 08/04/2012 05:16:54 PM 1336 Views
Re: You have no evidence that the Tuath'an are mostly comprised of runaways etc Fanatic-Templar - 08/04/2012 06:43:27 PM 1345 Views
Re: You have no evidence that the Tuath'an are mostly comprised of runaways etc rosco12 - 08/04/2012 07:52:10 PM 1145 Views
Thanks for that. Fanatic-Templar - 09/04/2012 02:38:25 AM 1000 Views
Red hair is double recessive ... Doesn't take much to eliminate it from the gene pool. There could darius_sedai - 08/04/2012 11:22:36 PM 1237 Views
You are consistently making the same mistake. Fanatic-Templar - 09/04/2012 02:45:46 AM 1131 Views
They are the same thing. The remnant of a remnant are Aiel darius_sedai - 10/04/2012 05:04:55 AM 1292 Views
No. They are not. Fanatic-Templar - 10/04/2012 05:42:29 AM 1148 Views
Never said the remnant of the remnant was the whole of the Aiel darius_sedai - 10/04/2012 05:45:47 PM 1157 Views
You said that redefining the Aiel would allow Aviendha's vision to be possible. Fanatic-Templar - 10/04/2012 06:53:51 PM 1348 Views
No , I said there were many ways to interpret the statement based on how one defines Aiel darius_sedai - 10/04/2012 07:36:11 PM 1083 Views
All of which is entirely irrelevant. Fanatic-Templar - 10/04/2012 07:38:29 PM 1146 Views
Actually it states he will save a remnant of a remnant darius_sedai - 10/04/2012 07:47:04 PM 1198 Views
Re: Actually it states he will save a remnant of a remnant Fanatic-Templar - 11/04/2012 01:40:36 AM 1190 Views
That is what I just said darius_sedai - 14/04/2012 01:41:56 AM 1153 Views
What is important about that? Fanatic-Templar - 14/04/2012 04:35:55 AM 1116 Views
The importance is that the prophesy says that Rand darius_sedai - 14/04/2012 06:06:31 PM 1282 Views
So what you're saying is... Fanatic-Templar - 14/04/2012 09:45:36 PM 1179 Views
That's exactly it darius_sedai - 14/04/2012 11:21:25 PM 1240 Views
Good. Fanatic-Templar - 15/04/2012 02:01:14 AM 1249 Views
He sets it in motion, thus his actions lead to it darius_sedai - 15/04/2012 02:55:13 PM 1149 Views
Yes, but in that case, he is responsible for everything, ever. Fanatic-Templar - 15/04/2012 05:29:31 PM 1189 Views
We are interpreting Prophesy here ... Direct v. Indirect actions are what we are discussing darius_sedai - 15/04/2012 07:21:29 PM 1173 Views
Re: We are interpreting Prophesy here ... Direct v. Indirect actions are what we are discussing DomA - 17/04/2012 04:18:32 AM 1376 Views
Depends on how you look at the Prophesy darius_sedai - 18/04/2012 01:45:23 PM 1088 Views
Of course, but the point of my example was... Fanatic-Templar - 17/04/2012 06:08:09 PM 1133 Views
Where are you getting this happens over thousands of years? darius_sedai - 18/04/2012 01:47:42 PM 1048 Views
Because that was the important part of that post. Fanatic-Templar - 18/04/2012 05:28:10 PM 1243 Views
Don't know when this became about winning darius_sedai - 19/04/2012 02:08:16 AM 1007 Views
Re: I never said it was. DoraSedai - 18/04/2012 12:37:23 AM 1300 Views
Re: As far as I understand it, that future is impossible anyway. DomA - 04/04/2012 07:16:13 AM 1372 Views
Re: As far as I understand it, that future is impossible anyway. DoraSedai - 06/04/2012 10:33:00 PM 1234 Views
Thank you for that analysis. *NM* JasonD - 17/04/2012 12:36:08 AM 616 Views
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