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Depends on how you look at the Prophesy darius_sedai Send a noteboard - 18/04/2012 01:45:23 PM
I am not really trying to defend the vision as all that viable. My point has been more about showing that we can't simply assume that it's invalid because at the start of the vision the Aiel are still whole. There is more than one way the remnant of a remnant can happen. Rand "Saving" that remnant doesn't have to mean they are the only ones to survive TG. There is no mention of the Aiel dying during TG, only that Rand will Break them and Save the remnant. The Aiel we see in the vision go down a path and are destroyed ... We don't know anything about a possible group (say a remnant of a remnant) are still in existence following the Way...

I agree with most of you post below where you address the timing of the vision being prior to Rand's epiphany on Dragon Mount ... Although I think enlightened Rand will offer the Aiel the opportunity to become Dedicated again and some remnant may well accept that and stand aside from the fighting. The way the Prophesy is worded Rand Saving the remnant is an active statement and gives indication that he will directly do this much like he told them about their history. A direct action that opened the door to breaking them.

I've said before I find her vision highly unlikely at this point since the Aiel are very unlikely to ignore the warning in their own prophesy as many Wise Ones have spoken of doing everything they can to ensure the remnant is the largest possible group and the vision doesn't really bear that out.
Domani Drag Queen in the White Tower ... Aran'gar watch out!
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Aviendha, the columns, and the Seanchan - 03/04/2012 04:29:31 PM 2012 Views
As far as I understand it, that future is impossible anyway. - 03/04/2012 07:30:52 PM 1035 Views
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But when the prophesy was made there many followers - 04/04/2012 10:10:54 AM 909 Views
The Tuatha'an are not Aiel. - 04/04/2012 06:28:47 PM 1000 Views
Re: The Tuatha'an are not Aiel. - 05/04/2012 01:41:23 AM 1200 Views
Well that more than covers it *NM* - 05/04/2012 04:43:53 AM 479 Views
Re: The Tuatha'an are not Aiel. - 05/04/2012 07:39:04 AM 1045 Views
Re: The Tuatha'an are not Aiel. - 05/04/2012 02:14:37 PM 1279 Views
For the record I agree that the visions are not true either - 05/04/2012 02:25:47 PM 979 Views
Re: For the record I agree that the visions are not true either - 05/04/2012 11:36:53 PM 950 Views
Yes, I was thinking of the Aiel's suicidal traditions as well. - 05/04/2012 06:24:56 PM 901 Views
Re: The Tuatha'an are not Aiel. - 06/04/2012 10:51:00 PM 943 Views
Re: The Tuatha'an are not Aiel. - 06/04/2012 10:38:24 PM 1195 Views
Re: The Tuatha'an are not Aiel. - 07/04/2012 06:27:27 AM 895 Views
Re: The Tuatha'an are not Aiel. - 07/04/2012 07:23:03 PM 862 Views
So what you're saying... - 07/04/2012 10:07:59 PM 799 Views
What I am saying is that it's not a "pure bloodline" that makes one an Aiel - 08/04/2012 12:16:10 AM 901 Views
I never said it was. - 08/04/2012 12:43:26 AM 968 Views
Actually you did In your above post you speak of the Tinkers as not Aiel because they have been - 08/04/2012 06:09:01 AM 904 Views
No... - 08/04/2012 07:12:22 AM 1017 Views
You have no evidence that the Tuath'an are mostly comprised of runaways etc - 08/04/2012 05:16:54 PM 983 Views
Re: You have no evidence that the Tuath'an are mostly comprised of runaways etc - 08/04/2012 06:43:27 PM 1009 Views
Re: You have no evidence that the Tuath'an are mostly comprised of runaways etc - 08/04/2012 07:52:10 PM 801 Views
Thanks for that. - 09/04/2012 02:38:25 AM 728 Views
Red hair is double recessive ... Doesn't take much to eliminate it from the gene pool. There could - 08/04/2012 11:22:36 PM 939 Views
You are consistently making the same mistake. - 09/04/2012 02:45:46 AM 793 Views
They are the same thing. The remnant of a remnant are Aiel - 10/04/2012 05:04:55 AM 938 Views
No. They are not. - 10/04/2012 05:42:29 AM 828 Views
Never said the remnant of the remnant was the whole of the Aiel - 10/04/2012 05:45:47 PM 848 Views
You said that redefining the Aiel would allow Aviendha's vision to be possible. - 10/04/2012 06:53:51 PM 1027 Views
No , I said there were many ways to interpret the statement based on how one defines Aiel - 10/04/2012 07:36:11 PM 797 Views
All of which is entirely irrelevant. - 10/04/2012 07:38:29 PM 816 Views
Actually it states he will save a remnant of a remnant - 10/04/2012 07:47:04 PM 890 Views
Re: Actually it states he will save a remnant of a remnant - 11/04/2012 01:40:36 AM 871 Views
That is what I just said - 14/04/2012 01:41:56 AM 830 Views
What is important about that? - 14/04/2012 04:35:55 AM 811 Views
The importance is that the prophesy says that Rand - 14/04/2012 06:06:31 PM 980 Views
So what you're saying is... - 14/04/2012 09:45:36 PM 863 Views
That's exactly it - 14/04/2012 11:21:25 PM 930 Views
Good. - 15/04/2012 02:01:14 AM 951 Views
He sets it in motion, thus his actions lead to it - 15/04/2012 02:55:13 PM 809 Views
Yes, but in that case, he is responsible for everything, ever. - 15/04/2012 05:29:31 PM 917 Views
We are interpreting Prophesy here ... Direct v. Indirect actions are what we are discussing - 15/04/2012 07:21:29 PM 806 Views
Re: We are interpreting Prophesy here ... Direct v. Indirect actions are what we are discussing - 17/04/2012 04:18:32 AM 1014 Views
Depends on how you look at the Prophesy - 18/04/2012 01:45:23 PM 761 Views
Of course, but the point of my example was... - 17/04/2012 06:08:09 PM 803 Views
Where are you getting this happens over thousands of years? - 18/04/2012 01:47:42 PM 802 Views
Because that was the important part of that post. - 18/04/2012 05:28:10 PM 934 Views
Don't know when this became about winning - 19/04/2012 02:08:16 AM 714 Views
Re: I never said it was. - 18/04/2012 12:37:23 AM 986 Views
Re: As far as I understand it, that future is impossible anyway. - 04/04/2012 07:16:13 AM 1030 Views
Re: As far as I understand it, that future is impossible anyway. - 06/04/2012 10:33:00 PM 925 Views
Thank you for that analysis. *NM* - 17/04/2012 12:36:08 AM 460 Views

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