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Depends on how you look at the Prophesy darius_sedai Send a noteboard - 18/04/2012 01:45:23 PM
I am not really trying to defend the vision as all that viable. My point has been more about showing that we can't simply assume that it's invalid because at the start of the vision the Aiel are still whole. There is more than one way the remnant of a remnant can happen. Rand "Saving" that remnant doesn't have to mean they are the only ones to survive TG. There is no mention of the Aiel dying during TG, only that Rand will Break them and Save the remnant. The Aiel we see in the vision go down a path and are destroyed ... We don't know anything about a possible group (say a remnant of a remnant) are still in existence following the Way...

I agree with most of you post below where you address the timing of the vision being prior to Rand's epiphany on Dragon Mount ... Although I think enlightened Rand will offer the Aiel the opportunity to become Dedicated again and some remnant may well accept that and stand aside from the fighting. The way the Prophesy is worded Rand Saving the remnant is an active statement and gives indication that he will directly do this much like he told them about their history. A direct action that opened the door to breaking them.

I've said before I find her vision highly unlikely at this point since the Aiel are very unlikely to ignore the warning in their own prophesy as many Wise Ones have spoken of doing everything they can to ensure the remnant is the largest possible group and the vision doesn't really bear that out.
Domani Drag Queen in the White Tower ... Aran'gar watch out!
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Aviendha, the columns, and the Seanchan - 03/04/2012 04:29:31 PM 1992 Views
As far as I understand it, that future is impossible anyway. - 03/04/2012 07:30:52 PM 1014 Views
Depends on how one defines Aiel - 04/04/2012 04:11:11 AM 964 Views
There are more than there were before. - 04/04/2012 07:03:27 AM 977 Views
But when the prophesy was made there many followers - 04/04/2012 10:10:54 AM 890 Views
The Tuatha'an are not Aiel. - 04/04/2012 06:28:47 PM 978 Views
Re: The Tuatha'an are not Aiel. - 05/04/2012 01:41:23 AM 1149 Views
Well that more than covers it *NM* - 05/04/2012 04:43:53 AM 469 Views
Re: The Tuatha'an are not Aiel. - 05/04/2012 07:39:04 AM 1024 Views
Re: The Tuatha'an are not Aiel. - 05/04/2012 02:14:37 PM 1260 Views
For the record I agree that the visions are not true either - 05/04/2012 02:25:47 PM 961 Views
Re: For the record I agree that the visions are not true either - 05/04/2012 11:36:53 PM 931 Views
Yes, I was thinking of the Aiel's suicidal traditions as well. - 05/04/2012 06:24:56 PM 883 Views
Re: The Tuatha'an are not Aiel. - 06/04/2012 10:51:00 PM 925 Views
Re: The Tuatha'an are not Aiel. - 06/04/2012 10:38:24 PM 1173 Views
Re: The Tuatha'an are not Aiel. - 07/04/2012 06:27:27 AM 876 Views
Re: The Tuatha'an are not Aiel. - 07/04/2012 07:23:03 PM 844 Views
So what you're saying... - 07/04/2012 10:07:59 PM 782 Views
What I am saying is that it's not a "pure bloodline" that makes one an Aiel - 08/04/2012 12:16:10 AM 874 Views
I never said it was. - 08/04/2012 12:43:26 AM 946 Views
Actually you did In your above post you speak of the Tinkers as not Aiel because they have been - 08/04/2012 06:09:01 AM 888 Views
No... - 08/04/2012 07:12:22 AM 998 Views
You have no evidence that the Tuath'an are mostly comprised of runaways etc - 08/04/2012 05:16:54 PM 964 Views
Re: You have no evidence that the Tuath'an are mostly comprised of runaways etc - 08/04/2012 06:43:27 PM 990 Views
Re: You have no evidence that the Tuath'an are mostly comprised of runaways etc - 08/04/2012 07:52:10 PM 781 Views
Thanks for that. - 09/04/2012 02:38:25 AM 712 Views
Red hair is double recessive ... Doesn't take much to eliminate it from the gene pool. There could - 08/04/2012 11:22:36 PM 920 Views
You are consistently making the same mistake. - 09/04/2012 02:45:46 AM 775 Views
They are the same thing. The remnant of a remnant are Aiel - 10/04/2012 05:04:55 AM 920 Views
No. They are not. - 10/04/2012 05:42:29 AM 810 Views
Never said the remnant of the remnant was the whole of the Aiel - 10/04/2012 05:45:47 PM 826 Views
You said that redefining the Aiel would allow Aviendha's vision to be possible. - 10/04/2012 06:53:51 PM 1005 Views
No , I said there were many ways to interpret the statement based on how one defines Aiel - 10/04/2012 07:36:11 PM 773 Views
All of which is entirely irrelevant. - 10/04/2012 07:38:29 PM 798 Views
Actually it states he will save a remnant of a remnant - 10/04/2012 07:47:04 PM 871 Views
Re: Actually it states he will save a remnant of a remnant - 11/04/2012 01:40:36 AM 852 Views
That is what I just said - 14/04/2012 01:41:56 AM 813 Views
What is important about that? - 14/04/2012 04:35:55 AM 791 Views
The importance is that the prophesy says that Rand - 14/04/2012 06:06:31 PM 963 Views
So what you're saying is... - 14/04/2012 09:45:36 PM 841 Views
That's exactly it - 14/04/2012 11:21:25 PM 908 Views
Good. - 15/04/2012 02:01:14 AM 933 Views
He sets it in motion, thus his actions lead to it - 15/04/2012 02:55:13 PM 793 Views
Yes, but in that case, he is responsible for everything, ever. - 15/04/2012 05:29:31 PM 900 Views
We are interpreting Prophesy here ... Direct v. Indirect actions are what we are discussing - 15/04/2012 07:21:29 PM 787 Views
Re: We are interpreting Prophesy here ... Direct v. Indirect actions are what we are discussing - 17/04/2012 04:18:32 AM 990 Views
Depends on how you look at the Prophesy - 18/04/2012 01:45:23 PM 745 Views
Of course, but the point of my example was... - 17/04/2012 06:08:09 PM 783 Views
Where are you getting this happens over thousands of years? - 18/04/2012 01:47:42 PM 780 Views
Because that was the important part of that post. - 18/04/2012 05:28:10 PM 912 Views
Don't know when this became about winning - 19/04/2012 02:08:16 AM 695 Views
Re: I never said it was. - 18/04/2012 12:37:23 AM 961 Views
Re: As far as I understand it, that future is impossible anyway. - 04/04/2012 07:16:13 AM 1012 Views
Re: As far as I understand it, that future is impossible anyway. - 06/04/2012 10:33:00 PM 903 Views
Thank you for that analysis. *NM* - 17/04/2012 12:36:08 AM 448 Views

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