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Part of me keeps screaming Logain, though that can't be right... Cannoli Send a noteboard - 20/09/2012 12:14:00 PM
There must be some signifigance to this. Can we get any clues as to what their relationship may be? Has Demandred been involved at the Black Tower to some extent? Was he involved in giving Taim some training at some point (though this seems unlikely given the extremely comptetitive nature of these people)? Or have they only met because Demandred at some point popped in to give Taim an order or assess what was going on at the Black Tower?

I believe he was one of those who gave orders to the renegade Asha'man - that was supposed to be the first hard and fast clue that he was not, in fact, Taim. On the other hand, he didn't recognize Flinn at the Cleansing, which means he wasn't one of the pre-Dumai's Wells Asha'man.

The fact that Demandred has developed a personal grudge against Rand recently makes me think of what a douche Logain was in KoD, but there's too much else that doesn't fit.

I kept waiting for Demandred to be revealed as was hinted would happen in the Prologue. But it didn't happen :(


What has Rand done lately to piss someone off? Bearing in mind that with the way Sanderson twisted the chronology until it screamed in the last two books, we have no way of knowing where this portion fits in relation to events in the normal world. He could just be mad about Rand smoking out the Darkfriends in Tear or saving Ituralde & co in Saldaea, or maybe has just mad about Rand's apotheosis. I can't help but think this is going to be one of three results:
- "That doesn't make any sense! If that was Demandred than how/why... "
- "How the hell did we miss that?"
- Or something totally out of left field that we were given no knowledge of. I'm hoping maybe Seleisin is involved.
Cannoli
"Sometimes unhinged, sometimes unfair, always entertaining"
- The Crownless

“Tolerance is the virtue of the man without convictions.” GK Chesteron
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AMOL Prologue : Analysis of Forsaken section *major spoilers* Sidious - 19/09/2012 05:47:21 PM 3289 Views
You left out that Taim and Demandred have met before. Narg - 19/09/2012 06:19:01 PM 1528 Views
Part of me keeps screaming Logain, though that can't be right... Cannoli - 20/09/2012 12:14:00 PM 1488 Views
I thought of Logain as well... Narg - 20/09/2012 06:10:58 PM 1359 Views
We have our answer as to why Cyndane and Moiraine are reduced in power. Nargs - 20/09/2012 05:14:01 AM 1400 Views
It was spelled out before. Terez - 20/09/2012 05:25:05 AM 1281 Views
And some of us guessed that's what happened, we just didn't have evidence. *NM* Cannoli - 20/09/2012 12:04:18 PM 748 Views
Nor a lot of support for the idea... DomA - 22/09/2012 06:28:14 PM 1262 Views
Really? Seemed like the obvious series of events darius_sedai - 23/09/2012 02:32:35 PM 1226 Views
I know... DomA - 23/09/2012 05:30:42 PM 1282 Views
I'm not so sure Sidious - 24/09/2012 05:32:50 PM 1267 Views
Why question it? darius_sedai - 25/09/2012 01:40:39 AM 1129 Views
Re: Why question it? Sidious - 25/09/2012 06:12:32 AM 1109 Views
No she doesn't. She focuses on Graendal's punishment being about her looks darius_sedai - 25/09/2012 04:10:04 PM 1355 Views
Re: No she doesn't. She focuses on Graendal's punishment being about her looks Sidious - 25/09/2012 06:41:13 PM 1278 Views
Re: No she doesn't. She focuses on Graendal's punishment being about her looks DomA - 25/09/2012 07:21:03 PM 1266 Views
Re: No she doesn't. She focuses on Graendal's punishment being about her looks Sidious - 25/09/2012 07:53:47 PM 1040 Views
Six Chosen... entyti - 20/09/2012 05:19:17 AM 1463 Views
It's fan fiction, but it's cannon fan fiction The Wandering Gambler - 20/09/2012 06:55:18 AM 1493 Views
Demandred - the wasted Forsaken Tom - 20/09/2012 08:14:15 PM 1326 Views
RJ's writing was bad. Sanderson's is far worse. *NM* Marshall - 21/09/2012 06:19:04 AM 742 Views
Re: Demandred - the wasted Forsaken DomA - 22/09/2012 07:23:19 PM 1214 Views
Talmanes DomA - 23/09/2012 12:42:27 AM 1641 Views
I think you once again overestimate my appreciation of the series. Tom - 25/09/2012 02:33:34 PM 1216 Views
Re: Talmanes echooff - 02/10/2012 03:27:05 PM 1069 Views
I'm disappointed after waiting a week for a new post in the Forsaken thread, it's about Talmanes! Shannow - 02/10/2012 09:46:48 PM 1249 Views
Two interesting Forsaken issues you haven't raised DomA - 22/09/2012 06:21:34 PM 1457 Views
Seems to me that Taim himself was behind going to Rand darius_sedai - 23/09/2012 02:53:32 AM 1284 Views
Re: Seems to me that Taim himself was behind going to Rand DomA - 23/09/2012 05:50:48 PM 1278 Views
I think I rebel against this thought process because of the Taimandred Red Herring darius_sedai - 23/09/2012 06:35:19 PM 1207 Views
Re: I think I rebel against this thought process because of the Taimandred Red Herring DomA - 23/09/2012 07:46:59 PM 1395 Views
The first time we hear about Transmigration is in LOC darius_sedai - 23/09/2012 08:50:10 PM 1391 Views
Why was Ishamael reinstantiated as Nae'blis after his death? Marshall - 02/10/2012 10:17:03 PM 1249 Views
I have to wonder at Hessalam darius_sedai - 23/09/2012 01:20:13 PM 1434 Views
Re: I have to wonder at Hessalam DomA - 23/09/2012 06:52:10 PM 1493 Views
I agree that B-Sand seems to have inserted Graendal into the Slayer plot line in TOM darius_sedai - 23/09/2012 07:17:15 PM 1174 Views
Re: I agree that B-Sand seems to have inserted Graendal into the Slayer plot line in TOM DomA - 23/09/2012 08:19:02 PM 1184 Views
EDIT ... Demandred has only had about 9 months (according to wotchron) darius_sedai - 23/09/2012 09:13:44 PM 1301 Views
Re: I have to wonder at Hessalam Sidious - 24/09/2012 05:18:29 PM 1646 Views
I don't think she's old. Just really really really ugly! darius_sedai - 25/09/2012 03:22:56 AM 1123 Views
Re: I don't think she's old. Just really really really ugly! Sidious - 25/09/2012 06:13:51 AM 1178 Views
So based on this new info, what is Demandred's big game? Shara or Isle of Madmen back on the table? Shannow - 23/09/2012 08:01:03 PM 1248 Views
Re: So based on this new info, what is Demandred's big game? DomA - 23/09/2012 08:52:48 PM 1345 Views
Interesting... Shannow - 23/09/2012 09:06:18 PM 1154 Views
Re: Interesting... DomA - 23/09/2012 11:31:31 PM 1367 Views
I think we saw them during the attack on Maradon. The Portal Stone attack seems less likely darius_sedai - 23/09/2012 11:41:42 PM 1137 Views
Just one comment.. Shannow - 23/09/2012 11:53:09 PM 1843 Views
If I had to take a guess right now I'd say he has been setting up various Shadow armies thought the darius_sedai - 23/09/2012 09:30:34 PM 1199 Views
I think at the very least he has recreated the One-and-Eighty male channelers from the AOL... Shannow - 23/09/2012 09:34:56 PM 1251 Views
As I said he will almost certainly have Channelers darius_sedai - 23/09/2012 09:47:53 PM 1432 Views
All he needed to do was train 10 guys personally.. Shannow - 23/09/2012 09:51:46 PM 1071 Views
It took Taim nearly a year to train a dozen men to a place where they could teach darius_sedai - 23/09/2012 10:00:40 PM 1057 Views
The world is 25,000 miles by 25,000 miles in size... Shannow - 23/09/2012 10:15:22 PM 1164 Views
That is just far fetched ... I think I would laugh out loud if that is the case darius_sedai - 23/09/2012 10:43:37 PM 1172 Views
Direct quote from Demandred refutes this... Shannow - 23/09/2012 10:49:10 PM 1141 Views
Demanded is much more like Mesaana in his ways darius_sedai - 23/09/2012 10:55:00 PM 1146 Views
Re: Demanded is much more like Mesaana in his ways Shannow - 23/09/2012 11:36:54 PM 1189 Views
Not really darius_sedai - 24/09/2012 12:31:48 AM 1198 Views
"My rule is secure." Could Demandred be ruling an entire Mirror World? Shannow - 23/09/2012 10:43:51 PM 1241 Views
I can certainly something like this happening darius_sedai - 23/09/2012 10:50:35 PM 1037 Views
I'm not sure it's possible... DomA - 24/09/2012 03:02:26 AM 1199 Views
I think ... Sidious - 24/09/2012 05:36:38 PM 1148 Views
The changes in Moghedien darius_sedai - 25/09/2012 03:29:15 AM 1035 Views
I believe she commented on Graendal's strength, comparing it to Nynaeve or something? Shannow - 25/09/2012 11:07:24 PM 1180 Views
Well.. fionwe1987 - 25/09/2012 11:15:21 PM 1050 Views
Thanks for the quote, but reading that, it kind of implies the opposite, to me... Shannow - 25/09/2012 11:35:53 PM 1364 Views
Hmmm.... fionwe1987 - 26/09/2012 12:00:33 AM 1097 Views
Hehe, that old argument again. Shannow - 26/09/2012 12:09:25 AM 1019 Views
Yes. fionwe1987 - 26/09/2012 12:58:03 AM 994 Views
I agree the Forsaken are all pretty close in effective Strength darius_sedai - 26/09/2012 04:11:16 AM 1128 Views
Re: I agree the Forsaken are all pretty close in effective Strength Sidious - 26/09/2012 08:53:02 AM 1051 Views
Well... Shannow - 26/09/2012 09:09:38 AM 1021 Views
Re: Well... Sidious - 26/09/2012 10:17:03 AM 1162 Views
Nice speculation. I like that type of calculation. Shannow - 26/09/2012 10:59:43 AM 1120 Views
Moiraine lost more than 2/3 of her strength. Siuan lost about that and Moiraine seems darius_sedai - 26/09/2012 04:46:18 PM 1217 Views
Re: Well... fionwe1987 - 27/09/2012 03:12:06 AM 1030 Views
Re: Well... Shannow - 27/09/2012 08:17:07 AM 998 Views
Re: I agree the Forsaken are all pretty close in effective Strength fionwe1987 - 27/09/2012 03:00:04 AM 1090 Views
Re: I agree the Forsaken are all pretty close in effective Strength Sidious - 27/09/2012 07:23:11 AM 1093 Views
As always you forget book 4 is more than half way through the timeline of the series darius_sedai - 26/09/2012 03:58:22 AM 1128 Views
Actually...... DomA - 26/09/2012 02:30:00 AM 1159 Views
Agree with this.. Shannow - 26/09/2012 06:12:34 AM 967 Views
Not sure that's completely true.. fionwe1987 - 26/09/2012 06:42:51 AM 1012 Views
Re: Not sure that's completely true.. DomA - 26/09/2012 03:02:41 PM 1187 Views
This is what I've been saying for years! darius_sedai - 26/09/2012 05:48:01 PM 879 Views
Re: Not sure that's completely true.. fionwe1987 - 27/09/2012 03:17:00 AM 1078 Views
Probably something like this Sidious - 26/09/2012 08:36:40 AM 1107 Views
Probably true, but maybe a hint from a Sanderson interview should be considered here... Shannow - 26/09/2012 08:56:32 AM 1051 Views
Re: Probably true, but maybe a hint from a Sanderson interview should be considered here... Sidious - 26/09/2012 10:01:08 AM 986 Views
Graendal almost has to be Stronger than Nynaeve darius_sedai - 26/09/2012 05:57:35 PM 1226 Views
One thing about that... fionwe1987 - 27/09/2012 02:58:56 AM 1107 Views
Possible, but I find it unlikely darius_sedai - 27/09/2012 06:16:56 AM 989 Views
The reason I think that... fionwe1987 - 27/09/2012 06:25:48 AM 1079 Views
I always assumed Nynaeve at the top was a list he later revised as he decided to bring in darius_sedai - 27/09/2012 06:39:35 AM 1124 Views
Of course that's the correct answer, yes. Shannow - 27/09/2012 08:12:45 AM 1191 Views
I wasn't making a Strength comparison ... I was commenting on her lack of cowardice darius_sedai - 26/09/2012 03:45:36 AM 1086 Views
Re: I wasn't making a Strength comparison ... I was commenting on her lack of cowardice kHz1000 - 26/09/2012 05:30:36 PM 1199 Views
That is the question I was getting at darius_sedai - 26/09/2012 06:00:03 PM 1137 Views
Re: That is the question I was getting at kHz1000 - 26/09/2012 07:01:34 PM 1155 Views
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