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Demandred - the wasted Forsaken Tom Send a noteboard - 20/09/2012 08:14:15 PM
It really doesn't matter what Demandred has been up to at this point - raising armies in Shara, controlling Seanchan, pretending to be the King of Murandy - his character has been wasted. He was a gun on the wall that never fired, or if he does, it will be underwhelming in the extreme. Taim is a great example of what Demandred COULD have been - a character developed as an enemy who got very close.

As a final personal note, I find the style pretty bad. You will be stunned at the constant repetition of facts throughout these chapters. Yes, we hear again that Demandred has a hooked nose and is handsome. We hear again about the mystery of Cyndane, how crazy Ishamael was and how Demandred hates Lews Therin. It will leave you pretty nauseous if you think about how little we need to be reminded of these facts again and again. I didn't enjoy the style and found it almost amateur, if that isn't too offensive to say. It didn't remind me of any of the previous Forsaken chapters written by Jordan. Some of the metaphors are very weak and the Forsaken personalities are poorly captured.


The style has been consistently bad throughout the series. If you're reading Robert Jordan for anything other than a fun story, you're reading it for the wrong reasons. I'm not sure if your comment was meant as a slight against Sanderson, but RJ's style was abysmal on a predictable basis (i.e., all the time). How many times did he have to repeat "stout Two Rivers woolens" or remind us that Nynaeve pulls her braid? How many unnecessary horse names, dress details or other "filler" did he throw in? How many clichés did he give us in place of real people?

I read the Prologue because I won't have to read it now when the book comes out, and I want to be done with the whole damn series. My expectations are extremely low at this point, but the Talmanes portions made me think there might be a bit of entertainment left in what has been drawn out for far, far too long.
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AMOL Prologue : Analysis of Forsaken section *major spoilers* - 19/09/2012 05:47:21 PM 3381 Views
You left out that Taim and Demandred have met before. - 19/09/2012 06:19:01 PM 1614 Views
Part of me keeps screaming Logain, though that can't be right... - 20/09/2012 12:14:00 PM 1558 Views
I thought of Logain as well... - 20/09/2012 06:10:58 PM 1432 Views
We have our answer as to why Cyndane and Moiraine are reduced in power. - 20/09/2012 05:14:01 AM 1526 Views
It was spelled out before. - 20/09/2012 05:25:05 AM 1368 Views
And some of us guessed that's what happened, we just didn't have evidence. *NM* - 20/09/2012 12:04:18 PM 795 Views
Nor a lot of support for the idea... - 22/09/2012 06:28:14 PM 1361 Views
Really? Seemed like the obvious series of events - 23/09/2012 02:32:35 PM 1321 Views
I know... - 23/09/2012 05:30:42 PM 1369 Views
I'm not so sure - 24/09/2012 05:32:50 PM 1354 Views
Why question it? - 25/09/2012 01:40:39 AM 1210 Views
Re: Why question it? - 25/09/2012 06:12:32 AM 1194 Views
Six Chosen... - 20/09/2012 05:19:17 AM 1533 Views
It's fan fiction, but it's cannon fan fiction - 20/09/2012 06:55:18 AM 1584 Views
Demandred - the wasted Forsaken - 20/09/2012 08:14:15 PM 1417 Views
RJ's writing was bad. Sanderson's is far worse. *NM* - 21/09/2012 06:19:04 AM 785 Views
Re: Demandred - the wasted Forsaken - 22/09/2012 07:23:19 PM 1300 Views
Talmanes - 23/09/2012 12:42:27 AM 1735 Views
Re: Talmanes - 02/10/2012 03:27:05 PM 1145 Views
Two interesting Forsaken issues you haven't raised - 22/09/2012 06:21:34 PM 1543 Views
Seems to me that Taim himself was behind going to Rand - 23/09/2012 02:53:32 AM 1369 Views
Re: Seems to me that Taim himself was behind going to Rand - 23/09/2012 05:50:48 PM 1351 Views
I think I rebel against this thought process because of the Taimandred Red Herring - 23/09/2012 06:35:19 PM 1287 Views
Re: I think I rebel against this thought process because of the Taimandred Red Herring - 23/09/2012 07:46:59 PM 1481 Views
The first time we hear about Transmigration is in LOC - 23/09/2012 08:50:10 PM 1461 Views
Why was Ishamael reinstantiated as Nae'blis after his death? - 02/10/2012 10:17:03 PM 1330 Views
I have to wonder at Hessalam - 23/09/2012 01:20:13 PM 1519 Views
Re: I have to wonder at Hessalam - 23/09/2012 06:52:10 PM 1589 Views
Re: I have to wonder at Hessalam - 24/09/2012 05:18:29 PM 1715 Views
I don't think she's old. Just really really really ugly! - 25/09/2012 03:22:56 AM 1203 Views
Re: I don't think she's old. Just really really really ugly! - 25/09/2012 06:13:51 AM 1264 Views
So based on this new info, what is Demandred's big game? Shara or Isle of Madmen back on the table? - 23/09/2012 08:01:03 PM 1339 Views
Re: So based on this new info, what is Demandred's big game? - 23/09/2012 08:52:48 PM 1423 Views
Interesting... - 23/09/2012 09:06:18 PM 1214 Views
Re: Interesting... - 23/09/2012 11:31:31 PM 1457 Views
Just one comment.. - 23/09/2012 11:53:09 PM 1920 Views
If I had to take a guess right now I'd say he has been setting up various Shadow armies thought the - 23/09/2012 09:30:34 PM 1263 Views
I think at the very least he has recreated the One-and-Eighty male channelers from the AOL... - 23/09/2012 09:34:56 PM 1331 Views
As I said he will almost certainly have Channelers - 23/09/2012 09:47:53 PM 1513 Views
All he needed to do was train 10 guys personally.. - 23/09/2012 09:51:46 PM 1147 Views
It took Taim nearly a year to train a dozen men to a place where they could teach - 23/09/2012 10:00:40 PM 1146 Views
The world is 25,000 miles by 25,000 miles in size... - 23/09/2012 10:15:22 PM 1238 Views
That is just far fetched ... I think I would laugh out loud if that is the case - 23/09/2012 10:43:37 PM 1253 Views
Direct quote from Demandred refutes this... - 23/09/2012 10:49:10 PM 1237 Views
Demanded is much more like Mesaana in his ways - 23/09/2012 10:55:00 PM 1219 Views
Re: Demanded is much more like Mesaana in his ways - 23/09/2012 11:36:54 PM 1268 Views
Not really - 24/09/2012 12:31:48 AM 1283 Views
"My rule is secure." Could Demandred be ruling an entire Mirror World? - 23/09/2012 10:43:51 PM 1323 Views
I can certainly something like this happening - 23/09/2012 10:50:35 PM 1124 Views
I'm not sure it's possible... - 24/09/2012 03:02:26 AM 1287 Views
I think ... - 24/09/2012 05:36:38 PM 1229 Views
The changes in Moghedien - 25/09/2012 03:29:15 AM 1105 Views
I believe she commented on Graendal's strength, comparing it to Nynaeve or something? - 25/09/2012 11:07:24 PM 1252 Views
Well.. - 25/09/2012 11:15:21 PM 1131 Views
Thanks for the quote, but reading that, it kind of implies the opposite, to me... - 25/09/2012 11:35:53 PM 1435 Views
Hmmm.... - 26/09/2012 12:00:33 AM 1170 Views
Hehe, that old argument again. - 26/09/2012 12:09:25 AM 1095 Views
Yes. - 26/09/2012 12:58:03 AM 1060 Views
I agree the Forsaken are all pretty close in effective Strength - 26/09/2012 04:11:16 AM 1213 Views
Re: I agree the Forsaken are all pretty close in effective Strength - 26/09/2012 08:53:02 AM 1130 Views
Well... - 26/09/2012 09:09:38 AM 1087 Views
Re: Well... - 26/09/2012 10:17:03 AM 1239 Views
Nice speculation. I like that type of calculation. - 26/09/2012 10:59:43 AM 1189 Views
Re: Well... - 27/09/2012 03:12:06 AM 1118 Views
Re: Well... - 27/09/2012 08:17:07 AM 1079 Views
Re: I agree the Forsaken are all pretty close in effective Strength - 27/09/2012 03:00:04 AM 1159 Views
Re: I agree the Forsaken are all pretty close in effective Strength - 27/09/2012 07:23:11 AM 1160 Views
Actually...... - 26/09/2012 02:30:00 AM 1243 Views
Agree with this.. - 26/09/2012 06:12:34 AM 1035 Views
Not sure that's completely true.. - 26/09/2012 06:42:51 AM 1091 Views
Re: Not sure that's completely true.. - 26/09/2012 03:02:41 PM 1264 Views
This is what I've been saying for years! - 26/09/2012 05:48:01 PM 965 Views
Re: Not sure that's completely true.. - 27/09/2012 03:17:00 AM 1145 Views
Probably something like this - 26/09/2012 08:36:40 AM 1197 Views
Probably true, but maybe a hint from a Sanderson interview should be considered here... - 26/09/2012 08:56:32 AM 1139 Views
Re: Probably true, but maybe a hint from a Sanderson interview should be considered here... - 26/09/2012 10:01:08 AM 1064 Views
Graendal almost has to be Stronger than Nynaeve - 26/09/2012 05:57:35 PM 1300 Views
One thing about that... - 27/09/2012 02:58:56 AM 1177 Views
Possible, but I find it unlikely - 27/09/2012 06:16:56 AM 1083 Views
The reason I think that... - 27/09/2012 06:25:48 AM 1152 Views
I always assumed Nynaeve at the top was a list he later revised as he decided to bring in - 27/09/2012 06:39:35 AM 1211 Views
Of course that's the correct answer, yes. - 27/09/2012 08:12:45 AM 1268 Views
I wasn't making a Strength comparison ... I was commenting on her lack of cowardice - 26/09/2012 03:45:36 AM 1151 Views
Re: I wasn't making a Strength comparison ... I was commenting on her lack of cowardice - 26/09/2012 05:30:36 PM 1271 Views
That is the question I was getting at - 26/09/2012 06:00:03 PM 1195 Views
Re: That is the question I was getting at - 26/09/2012 07:01:34 PM 1234 Views

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