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Demandred - the wasted Forsaken Tom Send a noteboard - 20/09/2012 08:14:15 PM
It really doesn't matter what Demandred has been up to at this point - raising armies in Shara, controlling Seanchan, pretending to be the King of Murandy - his character has been wasted. He was a gun on the wall that never fired, or if he does, it will be underwhelming in the extreme. Taim is a great example of what Demandred COULD have been - a character developed as an enemy who got very close.

As a final personal note, I find the style pretty bad. You will be stunned at the constant repetition of facts throughout these chapters. Yes, we hear again that Demandred has a hooked nose and is handsome. We hear again about the mystery of Cyndane, how crazy Ishamael was and how Demandred hates Lews Therin. It will leave you pretty nauseous if you think about how little we need to be reminded of these facts again and again. I didn't enjoy the style and found it almost amateur, if that isn't too offensive to say. It didn't remind me of any of the previous Forsaken chapters written by Jordan. Some of the metaphors are very weak and the Forsaken personalities are poorly captured.


The style has been consistently bad throughout the series. If you're reading Robert Jordan for anything other than a fun story, you're reading it for the wrong reasons. I'm not sure if your comment was meant as a slight against Sanderson, but RJ's style was abysmal on a predictable basis (i.e., all the time). How many times did he have to repeat "stout Two Rivers woolens" or remind us that Nynaeve pulls her braid? How many unnecessary horse names, dress details or other "filler" did he throw in? How many clichés did he give us in place of real people?

I read the Prologue because I won't have to read it now when the book comes out, and I want to be done with the whole damn series. My expectations are extremely low at this point, but the Talmanes portions made me think there might be a bit of entertainment left in what has been drawn out for far, far too long.
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AMOL Prologue : Analysis of Forsaken section *major spoilers* - 19/09/2012 05:47:21 PM 3290 Views
You left out that Taim and Demandred have met before. - 19/09/2012 06:19:01 PM 1530 Views
Part of me keeps screaming Logain, though that can't be right... - 20/09/2012 12:14:00 PM 1490 Views
I thought of Logain as well... - 20/09/2012 06:10:58 PM 1362 Views
We have our answer as to why Cyndane and Moiraine are reduced in power. - 20/09/2012 05:14:01 AM 1404 Views
It was spelled out before. - 20/09/2012 05:25:05 AM 1284 Views
And some of us guessed that's what happened, we just didn't have evidence. *NM* - 20/09/2012 12:04:18 PM 748 Views
Nor a lot of support for the idea... - 22/09/2012 06:28:14 PM 1265 Views
Really? Seemed like the obvious series of events - 23/09/2012 02:32:35 PM 1228 Views
I know... - 23/09/2012 05:30:42 PM 1284 Views
I'm not so sure - 24/09/2012 05:32:50 PM 1271 Views
Why question it? - 25/09/2012 01:40:39 AM 1131 Views
Re: Why question it? - 25/09/2012 06:12:32 AM 1111 Views
Six Chosen... - 20/09/2012 05:19:17 AM 1465 Views
It's fan fiction, but it's cannon fan fiction - 20/09/2012 06:55:18 AM 1497 Views
Demandred - the wasted Forsaken - 20/09/2012 08:14:15 PM 1330 Views
RJ's writing was bad. Sanderson's is far worse. *NM* - 21/09/2012 06:19:04 AM 745 Views
Re: Demandred - the wasted Forsaken - 22/09/2012 07:23:19 PM 1219 Views
Talmanes - 23/09/2012 12:42:27 AM 1644 Views
Re: Talmanes - 02/10/2012 03:27:05 PM 1071 Views
Two interesting Forsaken issues you haven't raised - 22/09/2012 06:21:34 PM 1457 Views
Seems to me that Taim himself was behind going to Rand - 23/09/2012 02:53:32 AM 1288 Views
Re: Seems to me that Taim himself was behind going to Rand - 23/09/2012 05:50:48 PM 1280 Views
I think I rebel against this thought process because of the Taimandred Red Herring - 23/09/2012 06:35:19 PM 1209 Views
Re: I think I rebel against this thought process because of the Taimandred Red Herring - 23/09/2012 07:46:59 PM 1396 Views
The first time we hear about Transmigration is in LOC - 23/09/2012 08:50:10 PM 1392 Views
Why was Ishamael reinstantiated as Nae'blis after his death? - 02/10/2012 10:17:03 PM 1252 Views
I have to wonder at Hessalam - 23/09/2012 01:20:13 PM 1435 Views
Re: I have to wonder at Hessalam - 23/09/2012 06:52:10 PM 1495 Views
Re: I have to wonder at Hessalam - 24/09/2012 05:18:29 PM 1650 Views
I don't think she's old. Just really really really ugly! - 25/09/2012 03:22:56 AM 1125 Views
Re: I don't think she's old. Just really really really ugly! - 25/09/2012 06:13:51 AM 1180 Views
So based on this new info, what is Demandred's big game? Shara or Isle of Madmen back on the table? - 23/09/2012 08:01:03 PM 1250 Views
Re: So based on this new info, what is Demandred's big game? - 23/09/2012 08:52:48 PM 1347 Views
Interesting... - 23/09/2012 09:06:18 PM 1157 Views
Re: Interesting... - 23/09/2012 11:31:31 PM 1368 Views
Just one comment.. - 23/09/2012 11:53:09 PM 1845 Views
If I had to take a guess right now I'd say he has been setting up various Shadow armies thought the - 23/09/2012 09:30:34 PM 1201 Views
I think at the very least he has recreated the One-and-Eighty male channelers from the AOL... - 23/09/2012 09:34:56 PM 1253 Views
As I said he will almost certainly have Channelers - 23/09/2012 09:47:53 PM 1433 Views
All he needed to do was train 10 guys personally.. - 23/09/2012 09:51:46 PM 1072 Views
It took Taim nearly a year to train a dozen men to a place where they could teach - 23/09/2012 10:00:40 PM 1059 Views
The world is 25,000 miles by 25,000 miles in size... - 23/09/2012 10:15:22 PM 1166 Views
That is just far fetched ... I think I would laugh out loud if that is the case - 23/09/2012 10:43:37 PM 1173 Views
Direct quote from Demandred refutes this... - 23/09/2012 10:49:10 PM 1143 Views
Demanded is much more like Mesaana in his ways - 23/09/2012 10:55:00 PM 1146 Views
Re: Demanded is much more like Mesaana in his ways - 23/09/2012 11:36:54 PM 1191 Views
Not really - 24/09/2012 12:31:48 AM 1198 Views
"My rule is secure." Could Demandred be ruling an entire Mirror World? - 23/09/2012 10:43:51 PM 1242 Views
I can certainly something like this happening - 23/09/2012 10:50:35 PM 1039 Views
I'm not sure it's possible... - 24/09/2012 03:02:26 AM 1203 Views
I think ... - 24/09/2012 05:36:38 PM 1148 Views
The changes in Moghedien - 25/09/2012 03:29:15 AM 1036 Views
I believe she commented on Graendal's strength, comparing it to Nynaeve or something? - 25/09/2012 11:07:24 PM 1180 Views
Well.. - 25/09/2012 11:15:21 PM 1051 Views
Thanks for the quote, but reading that, it kind of implies the opposite, to me... - 25/09/2012 11:35:53 PM 1365 Views
Hmmm.... - 26/09/2012 12:00:33 AM 1097 Views
Hehe, that old argument again. - 26/09/2012 12:09:25 AM 1020 Views
Yes. - 26/09/2012 12:58:03 AM 994 Views
I agree the Forsaken are all pretty close in effective Strength - 26/09/2012 04:11:16 AM 1130 Views
Re: I agree the Forsaken are all pretty close in effective Strength - 26/09/2012 08:53:02 AM 1051 Views
Well... - 26/09/2012 09:09:38 AM 1021 Views
Re: Well... - 26/09/2012 10:17:03 AM 1164 Views
Nice speculation. I like that type of calculation. - 26/09/2012 10:59:43 AM 1122 Views
Re: Well... - 27/09/2012 03:12:06 AM 1032 Views
Re: Well... - 27/09/2012 08:17:07 AM 1000 Views
Re: I agree the Forsaken are all pretty close in effective Strength - 27/09/2012 03:00:04 AM 1092 Views
Re: I agree the Forsaken are all pretty close in effective Strength - 27/09/2012 07:23:11 AM 1095 Views
Actually...... - 26/09/2012 02:30:00 AM 1161 Views
Agree with this.. - 26/09/2012 06:12:34 AM 967 Views
Not sure that's completely true.. - 26/09/2012 06:42:51 AM 1014 Views
Re: Not sure that's completely true.. - 26/09/2012 03:02:41 PM 1189 Views
This is what I've been saying for years! - 26/09/2012 05:48:01 PM 880 Views
Re: Not sure that's completely true.. - 27/09/2012 03:17:00 AM 1079 Views
Probably something like this - 26/09/2012 08:36:40 AM 1108 Views
Probably true, but maybe a hint from a Sanderson interview should be considered here... - 26/09/2012 08:56:32 AM 1052 Views
Re: Probably true, but maybe a hint from a Sanderson interview should be considered here... - 26/09/2012 10:01:08 AM 988 Views
Graendal almost has to be Stronger than Nynaeve - 26/09/2012 05:57:35 PM 1227 Views
One thing about that... - 27/09/2012 02:58:56 AM 1109 Views
Possible, but I find it unlikely - 27/09/2012 06:16:56 AM 990 Views
The reason I think that... - 27/09/2012 06:25:48 AM 1081 Views
I always assumed Nynaeve at the top was a list he later revised as he decided to bring in - 27/09/2012 06:39:35 AM 1126 Views
Of course that's the correct answer, yes. - 27/09/2012 08:12:45 AM 1192 Views
I wasn't making a Strength comparison ... I was commenting on her lack of cowardice - 26/09/2012 03:45:36 AM 1089 Views
Re: I wasn't making a Strength comparison ... I was commenting on her lack of cowardice - 26/09/2012 05:30:36 PM 1202 Views
That is the question I was getting at - 26/09/2012 06:00:03 PM 1138 Views
Re: That is the question I was getting at - 26/09/2012 07:01:34 PM 1155 Views

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