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I think at the very least he has recreated the One-and-Eighty male channelers from the AOL... Shannow Send a noteboard - 23/09/2012 09:34:56 PM
So, given the new information, is the notion that Demandred has been training up armies of Sharan channelers, or recruiting male channelers from the Isle of Madmen back as a real possibility?

Whatever he's done, it's going to be very significant, apparently.

Way more significant than just being Roedran in disguise.



world. Using the Ways and Portal Stones to strategically place his armies where he can pin down the Light in surprise moves. Like Caemlyn. It would explain why he is so elusive, he's constantly on the move. It plays to his strength as a General and it explains why he is being left to do his thing ... He could be setting the Shadow up for swift victory on multiple fronts.

Sure he'll have Channelers with his armies, but even back in the AoL the ratio of Channelers to soldiers would have been tiny. Perhaps he's even found stores of weaponized Ter'angreal to use ... Would be cool if he had armies with shock lances and such.


From a channeling perspective I think at the very least he has recreated his version of Lews Therin's Hundred Companions - his One and Eighty that's referred to in one of the recent books.

They will probably form his core One Power strategic command.

Because as we know, 100 channelers is worth probably one million normal soldiers or more. And for conventional armies to be truly effective, you need the force multiplier that is a channeler corps, like Rand had in PoD, when he engaged the Seanchan with his Ashaman deployed as One Power support to the armies.

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AMOL Prologue : Analysis of Forsaken section *major spoilers* Sidious - 19/09/2012 05:47:21 PM 3289 Views
You left out that Taim and Demandred have met before. Narg - 19/09/2012 06:19:01 PM 1528 Views
Part of me keeps screaming Logain, though that can't be right... Cannoli - 20/09/2012 12:14:00 PM 1489 Views
I thought of Logain as well... Narg - 20/09/2012 06:10:58 PM 1360 Views
We have our answer as to why Cyndane and Moiraine are reduced in power. Nargs - 20/09/2012 05:14:01 AM 1403 Views
It was spelled out before. Terez - 20/09/2012 05:25:05 AM 1282 Views
And some of us guessed that's what happened, we just didn't have evidence. *NM* Cannoli - 20/09/2012 12:04:18 PM 748 Views
Nor a lot of support for the idea... DomA - 22/09/2012 06:28:14 PM 1263 Views
Really? Seemed like the obvious series of events darius_sedai - 23/09/2012 02:32:35 PM 1226 Views
I know... DomA - 23/09/2012 05:30:42 PM 1282 Views
I'm not so sure Sidious - 24/09/2012 05:32:50 PM 1269 Views
Why question it? darius_sedai - 25/09/2012 01:40:39 AM 1129 Views
Re: Why question it? Sidious - 25/09/2012 06:12:32 AM 1110 Views
No she doesn't. She focuses on Graendal's punishment being about her looks darius_sedai - 25/09/2012 04:10:04 PM 1357 Views
Re: No she doesn't. She focuses on Graendal's punishment being about her looks Sidious - 25/09/2012 06:41:13 PM 1279 Views
Re: No she doesn't. She focuses on Graendal's punishment being about her looks DomA - 25/09/2012 07:21:03 PM 1267 Views
Re: No she doesn't. She focuses on Graendal's punishment being about her looks Sidious - 25/09/2012 07:53:47 PM 1041 Views
Six Chosen... entyti - 20/09/2012 05:19:17 AM 1464 Views
It's fan fiction, but it's cannon fan fiction The Wandering Gambler - 20/09/2012 06:55:18 AM 1495 Views
Demandred - the wasted Forsaken Tom - 20/09/2012 08:14:15 PM 1327 Views
RJ's writing was bad. Sanderson's is far worse. *NM* Marshall - 21/09/2012 06:19:04 AM 743 Views
Re: Demandred - the wasted Forsaken DomA - 22/09/2012 07:23:19 PM 1216 Views
Talmanes DomA - 23/09/2012 12:42:27 AM 1641 Views
I think you once again overestimate my appreciation of the series. Tom - 25/09/2012 02:33:34 PM 1216 Views
Re: Talmanes echooff - 02/10/2012 03:27:05 PM 1069 Views
I'm disappointed after waiting a week for a new post in the Forsaken thread, it's about Talmanes! Shannow - 02/10/2012 09:46:48 PM 1249 Views
Two interesting Forsaken issues you haven't raised DomA - 22/09/2012 06:21:34 PM 1457 Views
Seems to me that Taim himself was behind going to Rand darius_sedai - 23/09/2012 02:53:32 AM 1287 Views
Re: Seems to me that Taim himself was behind going to Rand DomA - 23/09/2012 05:50:48 PM 1279 Views
I think I rebel against this thought process because of the Taimandred Red Herring darius_sedai - 23/09/2012 06:35:19 PM 1209 Views
Re: I think I rebel against this thought process because of the Taimandred Red Herring DomA - 23/09/2012 07:46:59 PM 1396 Views
The first time we hear about Transmigration is in LOC darius_sedai - 23/09/2012 08:50:10 PM 1391 Views
Why was Ishamael reinstantiated as Nae'blis after his death? Marshall - 02/10/2012 10:17:03 PM 1250 Views
I have to wonder at Hessalam darius_sedai - 23/09/2012 01:20:13 PM 1434 Views
Re: I have to wonder at Hessalam DomA - 23/09/2012 06:52:10 PM 1493 Views
I agree that B-Sand seems to have inserted Graendal into the Slayer plot line in TOM darius_sedai - 23/09/2012 07:17:15 PM 1174 Views
Re: I agree that B-Sand seems to have inserted Graendal into the Slayer plot line in TOM DomA - 23/09/2012 08:19:02 PM 1184 Views
EDIT ... Demandred has only had about 9 months (according to wotchron) darius_sedai - 23/09/2012 09:13:44 PM 1301 Views
Re: I have to wonder at Hessalam Sidious - 24/09/2012 05:18:29 PM 1649 Views
I don't think she's old. Just really really really ugly! darius_sedai - 25/09/2012 03:22:56 AM 1125 Views
Re: I don't think she's old. Just really really really ugly! Sidious - 25/09/2012 06:13:51 AM 1180 Views
So based on this new info, what is Demandred's big game? Shara or Isle of Madmen back on the table? Shannow - 23/09/2012 08:01:03 PM 1249 Views
Re: So based on this new info, what is Demandred's big game? DomA - 23/09/2012 08:52:48 PM 1345 Views
Interesting... Shannow - 23/09/2012 09:06:18 PM 1154 Views
Re: Interesting... DomA - 23/09/2012 11:31:31 PM 1367 Views
I think we saw them during the attack on Maradon. The Portal Stone attack seems less likely darius_sedai - 23/09/2012 11:41:42 PM 1137 Views
Just one comment.. Shannow - 23/09/2012 11:53:09 PM 1843 Views
If I had to take a guess right now I'd say he has been setting up various Shadow armies thought the darius_sedai - 23/09/2012 09:30:34 PM 1199 Views
I think at the very least he has recreated the One-and-Eighty male channelers from the AOL... Shannow - 23/09/2012 09:34:56 PM 1252 Views
As I said he will almost certainly have Channelers darius_sedai - 23/09/2012 09:47:53 PM 1433 Views
All he needed to do was train 10 guys personally.. Shannow - 23/09/2012 09:51:46 PM 1071 Views
It took Taim nearly a year to train a dozen men to a place where they could teach darius_sedai - 23/09/2012 10:00:40 PM 1058 Views
The world is 25,000 miles by 25,000 miles in size... Shannow - 23/09/2012 10:15:22 PM 1165 Views
That is just far fetched ... I think I would laugh out loud if that is the case darius_sedai - 23/09/2012 10:43:37 PM 1173 Views
Direct quote from Demandred refutes this... Shannow - 23/09/2012 10:49:10 PM 1143 Views
Demanded is much more like Mesaana in his ways darius_sedai - 23/09/2012 10:55:00 PM 1146 Views
Re: Demanded is much more like Mesaana in his ways Shannow - 23/09/2012 11:36:54 PM 1189 Views
Not really darius_sedai - 24/09/2012 12:31:48 AM 1198 Views
"My rule is secure." Could Demandred be ruling an entire Mirror World? Shannow - 23/09/2012 10:43:51 PM 1241 Views
I can certainly something like this happening darius_sedai - 23/09/2012 10:50:35 PM 1037 Views
I'm not sure it's possible... DomA - 24/09/2012 03:02:26 AM 1201 Views
I think ... Sidious - 24/09/2012 05:36:38 PM 1148 Views
The changes in Moghedien darius_sedai - 25/09/2012 03:29:15 AM 1035 Views
I believe she commented on Graendal's strength, comparing it to Nynaeve or something? Shannow - 25/09/2012 11:07:24 PM 1180 Views
Well.. fionwe1987 - 25/09/2012 11:15:21 PM 1050 Views
Thanks for the quote, but reading that, it kind of implies the opposite, to me... Shannow - 25/09/2012 11:35:53 PM 1364 Views
Hmmm.... fionwe1987 - 26/09/2012 12:00:33 AM 1097 Views
Hehe, that old argument again. Shannow - 26/09/2012 12:09:25 AM 1020 Views
Yes. fionwe1987 - 26/09/2012 12:58:03 AM 994 Views
I agree the Forsaken are all pretty close in effective Strength darius_sedai - 26/09/2012 04:11:16 AM 1128 Views
Re: I agree the Forsaken are all pretty close in effective Strength Sidious - 26/09/2012 08:53:02 AM 1051 Views
Well... Shannow - 26/09/2012 09:09:38 AM 1021 Views
Re: Well... Sidious - 26/09/2012 10:17:03 AM 1163 Views
Nice speculation. I like that type of calculation. Shannow - 26/09/2012 10:59:43 AM 1120 Views
Moiraine lost more than 2/3 of her strength. Siuan lost about that and Moiraine seems darius_sedai - 26/09/2012 04:46:18 PM 1218 Views
Re: Well... fionwe1987 - 27/09/2012 03:12:06 AM 1030 Views
Re: Well... Shannow - 27/09/2012 08:17:07 AM 999 Views
Re: I agree the Forsaken are all pretty close in effective Strength fionwe1987 - 27/09/2012 03:00:04 AM 1091 Views
Re: I agree the Forsaken are all pretty close in effective Strength Sidious - 27/09/2012 07:23:11 AM 1093 Views
As always you forget book 4 is more than half way through the timeline of the series darius_sedai - 26/09/2012 03:58:22 AM 1129 Views
Actually...... DomA - 26/09/2012 02:30:00 AM 1161 Views
Agree with this.. Shannow - 26/09/2012 06:12:34 AM 967 Views
Not sure that's completely true.. fionwe1987 - 26/09/2012 06:42:51 AM 1013 Views
Re: Not sure that's completely true.. DomA - 26/09/2012 03:02:41 PM 1188 Views
This is what I've been saying for years! darius_sedai - 26/09/2012 05:48:01 PM 880 Views
Re: Not sure that's completely true.. fionwe1987 - 27/09/2012 03:17:00 AM 1078 Views
Probably something like this Sidious - 26/09/2012 08:36:40 AM 1108 Views
Probably true, but maybe a hint from a Sanderson interview should be considered here... Shannow - 26/09/2012 08:56:32 AM 1051 Views
Re: Probably true, but maybe a hint from a Sanderson interview should be considered here... Sidious - 26/09/2012 10:01:08 AM 986 Views
Graendal almost has to be Stronger than Nynaeve darius_sedai - 26/09/2012 05:57:35 PM 1226 Views
One thing about that... fionwe1987 - 27/09/2012 02:58:56 AM 1107 Views
Possible, but I find it unlikely darius_sedai - 27/09/2012 06:16:56 AM 989 Views
The reason I think that... fionwe1987 - 27/09/2012 06:25:48 AM 1080 Views
I always assumed Nynaeve at the top was a list he later revised as he decided to bring in darius_sedai - 27/09/2012 06:39:35 AM 1125 Views
Of course that's the correct answer, yes. Shannow - 27/09/2012 08:12:45 AM 1192 Views
I wasn't making a Strength comparison ... I was commenting on her lack of cowardice darius_sedai - 26/09/2012 03:45:36 AM 1087 Views
Re: I wasn't making a Strength comparison ... I was commenting on her lack of cowardice kHz1000 - 26/09/2012 05:30:36 PM 1201 Views
That is the question I was getting at darius_sedai - 26/09/2012 06:00:03 PM 1138 Views
Re: That is the question I was getting at kHz1000 - 26/09/2012 07:01:34 PM 1155 Views
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