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I always assumed Nynaeve at the top was a list he later revised as he decided to bring in darius_sedai Send a noteboard - 27/09/2012 06:39:35 AM
The reason I think that is that Brandon said there were two lists. In one, Nynaeve is pretty much at the top. In the other, there are six above her. That's what made me wonder. Maybe RJ had the second list for the pre-Cleansing part of the series, and the first for after that (assuming Nyn got her full strength then).


Other uber-Channelers, or that at some point he decided he thought Nynaeve's character may be more compelling if she wasn't the absolute Strongest women. I have to say her character is better to me since learning that she isn't the top dog. Nynaeve is a bit of a bully! She needs some humbling things.

Ad RJ did say at one point that Nynaeve was right in the middle of Forsaken women Strength
Domani Drag Queen in the White Tower ... Aran'gar watch out!
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Well.. fionwe1987 - 25/09/2012 11:15:21 PM 1004 Views
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Hmmm.... fionwe1987 - 26/09/2012 12:00:33 AM 1064 Views
Hehe, that old argument again. Shannow - 26/09/2012 12:09:25 AM 977 Views
Yes. fionwe1987 - 26/09/2012 12:58:03 AM 970 Views
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Re: I agree the Forsaken are all pretty close in effective Strength Sidious - 26/09/2012 08:53:02 AM 1005 Views
Well... Shannow - 26/09/2012 09:09:38 AM 980 Views
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Re: Well... Shannow - 27/09/2012 08:17:07 AM 961 Views
Re: I agree the Forsaken are all pretty close in effective Strength fionwe1987 - 27/09/2012 03:00:04 AM 1054 Views
Re: I agree the Forsaken are all pretty close in effective Strength Sidious - 27/09/2012 07:23:11 AM 1047 Views
As always you forget book 4 is more than half way through the timeline of the series darius_sedai - 26/09/2012 03:58:22 AM 1087 Views
Actually...... DomA - 26/09/2012 02:30:00 AM 1119 Views
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This is what I've been saying for years! darius_sedai - 26/09/2012 05:48:01 PM 848 Views
Re: Not sure that's completely true.. fionwe1987 - 27/09/2012 03:17:00 AM 1034 Views
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Re: Probably true, but maybe a hint from a Sanderson interview should be considered here... Sidious - 26/09/2012 10:01:08 AM 937 Views
Graendal almost has to be Stronger than Nynaeve darius_sedai - 26/09/2012 05:57:35 PM 1188 Views
One thing about that... fionwe1987 - 27/09/2012 02:58:56 AM 1083 Views
Possible, but I find it unlikely darius_sedai - 27/09/2012 06:16:56 AM 970 Views
The reason I think that... fionwe1987 - 27/09/2012 06:25:48 AM 1041 Views
I always assumed Nynaeve at the top was a list he later revised as he decided to bring in darius_sedai - 27/09/2012 06:39:35 AM 1089 Views
Of course that's the correct answer, yes. Shannow - 27/09/2012 08:12:45 AM 1151 Views
I wasn't making a Strength comparison ... I was commenting on her lack of cowardice darius_sedai - 26/09/2012 03:45:36 AM 1052 Views
Re: I wasn't making a Strength comparison ... I was commenting on her lack of cowardice kHz1000 - 26/09/2012 05:30:36 PM 1148 Views
That is the question I was getting at darius_sedai - 26/09/2012 06:00:03 PM 1108 Views
Re: That is the question I was getting at kHz1000 - 26/09/2012 07:01:34 PM 1135 Views
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