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Re: Egwene is definitely not 2x Amys... fionwe1987 Send a noteboard - 20/11/2012 02:26:47 AM
We know Cadsuane is just short of Egwene

There is no evidence of this, and don't mention the Merana quote - I looked it up and it says no such thing.

The Merana quote is just part of it. The most telling evidence comes from the glossary of aCoS:

Thought to have been born around 705 NE in Ghealdan, which would make her the oldest living Aes Sedai, she was also the strongest in the Power found for a thousand years or more until the advent of Nynaeve, Elayne and Egwene and even they do not far out-step her.


Notice that even Nynaeve is lumped into this category of women not far out-stepping Cadsuane.


Amys herself says that Egwene is much stronger than her in saidar.

And when has this been in debate?
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How many standard deviations is Lanfear Lanfear - 15/11/2012 06:04:39 PM 1962 Views
Well... vandevere - 15/11/2012 07:02:45 PM 1027 Views
Hmm... Sidious - 15/11/2012 07:25:34 PM 1114 Views
see we CAN agree on stuff darius_sedai - 15/11/2012 07:56:12 PM 972 Views
Sidious - 18/11/2012 08:37:22 PM 879 Views
We've always been close with everything except the scale darius_sedai - 18/11/2012 10:29:07 PM 919 Views
Re: DomA - 18/11/2012 11:07:17 PM 1070 Views
Re: Sidious - 19/11/2012 05:16:00 AM 917 Views
Re: DomA - 19/11/2012 03:13:01 PM 924 Views
They only reject 37.5%, not 62.5% Shannow - 19/11/2012 03:19:19 PM 898 Views
Re: They only reject 37.5%, not 62.5% DomA - 19/11/2012 04:01:43 PM 1129 Views
Re: They only reject 37.5%, not 62.5% darius_sedai - 19/11/2012 09:04:04 PM 866 Views
Hmmm... fionwe1987 - 20/11/2012 02:08:40 AM 925 Views
Perhaps, but Egwene is also being a bit dramatic in the scene as she managed darius_sedai - 20/11/2012 04:28:57 AM 894 Views
Nope... fionwe1987 - 20/11/2012 03:13:13 PM 925 Views
I believe she is being over dramatic darius_sedai - 20/11/2012 03:26:24 PM 833 Views
Keep believing that... fionwe1987 - 20/11/2012 03:30:14 PM 960 Views
*shrugs* darius_sedai - 20/11/2012 03:49:10 PM 914 Views
Tired and forkroot are the same now? fionwe1987 - 20/11/2012 03:55:22 PM 837 Views
No it's the literary device darius_sedai - 20/11/2012 04:04:28 PM 948 Views
This is getting ridiculous... fionwe1987 - 20/11/2012 04:43:13 PM 828 Views
You are missing my point completely darius_sedai - 20/11/2012 04:50:46 PM 794 Views
Impossible. Daigian is exactly 0.32SD below the mean Shannow - 19/11/2012 11:06:04 AM 880 Views
You keep saying that, but it is either a linear or a non-linear distribution darius_sedai - 19/11/2012 09:09:32 PM 937 Views
That's the whole point. Thanks for finally seeing it. Shannow - 19/11/2012 09:43:27 PM 892 Views
keep believing that ... but you making up numbers isn't really relevant *NM* darius_sedai - 20/11/2012 04:29:44 AM 615 Views
Please show me a number that is made up. The 0.32SD for Daigian is a rule of statistics. Shannow - 20/11/2012 07:15:48 AM 857 Views
Go read Fionwe's post about it *NM* darius_sedai - 20/11/2012 02:33:19 PM 628 Views
Is that before or after she started juicing? Praziquantel - 15/11/2012 11:04:14 PM 872 Views
Wouldn't it be 1 in 105 million? Lanfear - 21/11/2012 04:56:19 PM 726 Views
Are you sure that it is a normal distribution? Dreadlord - 16/11/2012 04:21:02 PM 957 Views
Ugh. I hate power level discussions. For real world applications, it should be kind of meaningless beetnemesis - 16/11/2012 10:28:49 PM 869 Views
I don't really agree Sidious - 18/11/2012 08:40:53 PM 816 Views
Perhaps, but we've seen that a MUCH weaker Channeler can win in a duel darius_sedai - 19/11/2012 09:13:48 PM 875 Views
Re: Perhaps, but we've seen that a MUCH weaker Channeler can win in a duel Sidious - 20/11/2012 08:10:01 AM 852 Views
probably ... Lanfear/Cyndane is clearly remarkably skilled darius_sedai - 20/11/2012 02:35:09 PM 876 Views
Since I've proven that it's not a normal distribution in units of absolute strength, SDs don't apply Shannow - 17/11/2012 07:48:21 PM 901 Views
You have proven nothing, except that you have an opinion *NM* darius_sedai - 18/11/2012 02:21:35 AM 600 Views
You simply don't get it. It is mathematically a fact. There is no opinion involved. Shannow - 18/11/2012 02:19:40 PM 741 Views
Only because you've assigned numeric values. That you created. darius_sedai - 18/11/2012 02:40:51 PM 856 Views
It doesn't matter what figure you use... Shannow - 18/11/2012 03:01:56 PM 757 Views
What if Daigian is one third Lanfear's strength? fionwe1987 - 18/11/2012 04:37:58 PM 883 Views
We have a limit for Daigian's strength, as you well know. Shannow - 18/11/2012 05:41:49 PM 847 Views
Are you kidding me? fionwe1987 - 18/11/2012 09:07:38 PM 1007 Views
Sure you can darius_sedai - 18/11/2012 10:09:31 PM 911 Views
Re: Sure you can DomA - 18/11/2012 10:54:50 PM 857 Views
You're right, though its 37.5% fionwe1987 - 19/11/2012 12:21:29 AM 829 Views
Oops, typo! darius_sedai - 19/11/2012 02:54:25 AM 898 Views
Again, not possible, due to Daigian being just 0.3SD below the Mean Shannow - 19/11/2012 08:37:01 AM 827 Views
Egwene is definitely not 2x Amys... fionwe1987 - 19/11/2012 04:05:12 PM 790 Views
Re: Egwene is definitely not 2x Amys... Sidious - 19/11/2012 05:55:02 PM 721 Views
Egwene is about as strong as Melaine and Amys combined darius_sedai - 19/11/2012 09:19:50 PM 841 Views
Re: Egwene is about as strong as Melaine and Amys combined fionwe1987 - 20/11/2012 02:11:26 AM 852 Views
Forkroot in every case darius_sedai - 20/11/2012 04:32:26 AM 836 Views
No! fionwe1987 - 20/11/2012 03:15:16 PM 831 Views
I'm not going to go re-read the books to you on this darius_sedai - 20/11/2012 03:39:46 PM 834 Views
You need to read it for yourself, since you're completely confused. fionwe1987 - 20/11/2012 03:54:26 PM 802 Views
Not going to argue this with you. darius_sedai - 20/11/2012 04:09:44 PM 779 Views
Your own example disproved your point... fionwe1987 - 20/11/2012 04:39:25 PM 854 Views
let's see, she's both asleep and would need hours to regain her strength darius_sedai - 20/11/2012 04:43:17 PM 766 Views
Enough! fionwe1987 - 20/11/2012 05:04:06 PM 843 Views
LOL ... whatever. You go on believing that ... no one else sees it this way. *NM* darius_sedai - 20/11/2012 05:20:52 PM 586 Views
What a brilliant argument! fionwe1987 - 20/11/2012 05:25:18 PM 875 Views
this is why I refuse to continue this debate darius_sedai - 20/11/2012 05:31:11 PM 810 Views
Re: Your own example disproved your point... Sidious - 20/11/2012 05:10:15 PM 896 Views
Barasine + Katerine isn't that much less than darius_sedai - 20/11/2012 05:26:31 PM 894 Views
Re: Barasine + Katerine isn't that much less than Sidious - 20/11/2012 05:31:50 PM 822 Views
Re: Barasine + Katerine isn't that much less than darius_sedai - 20/11/2012 05:42:53 PM 828 Views
Excuse me? fionwe1987 - 20/11/2012 05:28:48 PM 883 Views
see we can agree on the relative strength of Egwene v. Forsaken darius_sedai - 20/11/2012 05:35:07 PM 832 Views
??? Sidious - 20/11/2012 05:37:01 PM 924 Views
2 middling sisters darius_sedai - 20/11/2012 05:45:27 PM 858 Views
Re: Egwene is definitely not 2x Amys... fionwe1987 - 20/11/2012 02:26:47 AM 770 Views
Re: Egwene is definitely not 2x Amys... Sidious - 20/11/2012 09:03:40 AM 822 Views
Re: Egwene is definitely not 2x Amys... darius_sedai - 20/11/2012 02:59:08 PM 864 Views
None of this is backed by any evidence... fionwe1987 - 20/11/2012 03:24:12 PM 770 Views
who said Cadsuane was 1.5x Moiraine or more? darius_sedai - 20/11/2012 04:03:13 PM 782 Views
Nope... fionwe1987 - 20/11/2012 04:41:35 PM 826 Views
wrong darius_sedai - 20/11/2012 04:48:50 PM 757 Views
My bad. Mized up 1/3 and 2/3. fionwe1987 - 20/11/2012 05:05:05 PM 843 Views
gotcha *NM* darius_sedai - 20/11/2012 05:46:21 PM 545 Views
Better evidence? LOL! fionwe1987 - 20/11/2012 03:18:55 PM 841 Views
Huh? How did you come to that conclusion? darius_sedai - 20/11/2012 04:40:56 PM 827 Views
Exactly *NM* Sidious - 20/11/2012 04:55:28 PM 788 Views
BEcause Cadsuane is close on the heels of Egwene? fionwe1987 - 20/11/2012 05:10:50 PM 735 Views
I'm not arguing that. I agree that Cadsuane is pretty close to Egwene darius_sedai - 20/11/2012 05:50:34 PM 849 Views
Re: Better evidence? LOL! Sidious - 20/11/2012 05:00:47 PM 756 Views
Interesting, but let's go with your figures... Shannow - 19/11/2012 06:54:54 AM 886 Views
Indeed Sidious - 19/11/2012 08:16:44 AM 923 Views
Rand is sort of a special case darius_sedai - 20/11/2012 04:25:02 AM 745 Views
Regarding Mesaana... Sidious - 20/11/2012 08:42:56 AM 829 Views
You continue to mix two things darius_sedai - 20/11/2012 03:24:44 PM 741 Views
No Sidious - 20/11/2012 04:54:19 PM 973 Views
You are mistaken darius_sedai - 20/11/2012 05:04:40 PM 819 Views
Yes she did Darius! Sidious - 20/11/2012 05:27:36 PM 765 Views
Yet there is no duel darius_sedai - 20/11/2012 06:01:17 PM 750 Views
Explain the .3xSD thing to me... fionwe1987 - 19/11/2012 04:58:57 PM 1000 Views
Probably, but the AS have no idea what 37.5% means darius_sedai - 19/11/2012 02:59:26 AM 792 Views
It's irrelevant DomA - 19/11/2012 03:46:42 AM 827 Views
Agreed. Daigian is the marker of the absolute bottom of Aes Sedai strength. Shannow - 19/11/2012 06:55:41 AM 806 Views
Daigian Sidious - 19/11/2012 08:12:19 AM 845 Views
It is a direct marker due to RJ's quote Shannow - 19/11/2012 08:50:26 AM 845 Views
You missed my point Sidious - 19/11/2012 09:08:42 AM 802 Views
Re: You missed my point DomA - 19/11/2012 02:18:33 PM 850 Views
Asmodean would never have made the comment about 13 weakest AS darius_sedai - 20/11/2012 04:41:11 AM 808 Views
Re: Asmodean would never have made the comment about 13 weakest AS Sidious - 20/11/2012 09:07:49 AM 778 Views
Which would make an average AS around a 30 darius_sedai - 20/11/2012 04:58:56 PM 650 Views
Re: Sure you can Tor - 19/11/2012 09:22:09 AM 924 Views
Care to explain this... fionwe1987 - 19/11/2012 05:06:28 PM 782 Views
Indeed Tor - 20/11/2012 07:16:37 AM 991 Views
Explained far better than I ever could. Bravo. Shannow - 20/11/2012 07:30:29 AM 796 Views
Well duh. fionwe1987 - 20/11/2012 02:57:24 PM 911 Views
Incorrect. Shannow - 20/11/2012 04:28:07 PM 900 Views
No fionwe1987 - 20/11/2012 04:44:16 PM 877 Views
Re: No Tor - 20/11/2012 04:48:36 PM 861 Views
That depends... fionwe1987 - 20/11/2012 05:18:46 PM 733 Views
Re: That depends... Tor - 20/11/2012 05:31:03 PM 1149 Views
You're integrating without lower limits... fionwe1987 - 20/11/2012 02:55:06 PM 846 Views
Re: You're integrating without lower limits... Tor - 20/11/2012 04:37:57 PM 871 Views
It matters. fionwe1987 - 20/11/2012 05:22:40 PM 853 Views
We are not talking about a normal distribution in any case darius_sedai - 20/11/2012 04:44:24 AM 673 Views
Re: We are not talking about a normal distribution in any case Tor - 20/11/2012 07:02:47 AM 865 Views
You must tell me of this special math... fionwe1987 - 20/11/2012 03:10:09 PM 772 Views
Re: You must tell me of this special math... Tor - 20/11/2012 04:29:40 PM 805 Views
Morghase is a placeholder... fionwe1987 - 20/11/2012 04:45:42 PM 882 Views
Re: Morghase is a placeholder... Tor - 20/11/2012 04:49:54 PM 1062 Views
Why? fionwe1987 - 20/11/2012 05:23:29 PM 850 Views
Re: Why? Tor - 20/11/2012 05:36:45 PM 1020 Views
Well... Sidious - 18/11/2012 08:43:59 PM 919 Views
Re: Well... DomA - 19/11/2012 03:40:44 PM 887 Views
Wow. Shannow - 19/11/2012 03:53:47 PM 927 Views
Re: Wow. DomA - 19/11/2012 04:26:09 PM 947 Views
Some points Sidious - 19/11/2012 06:03:00 PM 962 Views
Well then you're both wrong I'm afraid Sidious - 19/11/2012 06:09:36 PM 782 Views
Re: Well then you're both wrong I'm afraid DomA - 19/11/2012 07:42:58 PM 691 Views
this is why I think all of the Forsaken are very close in Power darius_sedai - 20/11/2012 04:51:20 AM 878 Views
Agreed Sidious - 20/11/2012 08:13:37 AM 907 Views
probably darius_sedai - 20/11/2012 06:18:45 PM 803 Views
Re: this is why I think all of the Forsaken are very close in Power DomA - 20/11/2012 02:45:18 PM 819 Views
I think RJ went out of his way to keep strength a bit of a mystery darius_sedai - 20/11/2012 08:42:44 PM 837 Views
Indeed... DomA - 21/11/2012 05:44:18 PM 798 Views
I agree darius_sedai - 22/11/2012 01:43:02 AM 1059 Views
Math gurus...Is it possible to find the missing variable... Lanfear - 21/11/2012 05:12:24 PM 819 Views
the problem is that the Mean is not going to tell us much really darius_sedai - 22/11/2012 02:55:03 AM 902 Views
Re: the problem is that the Mean is not going to tell us much really Lanfear - 22/11/2012 03:15:33 AM 1181 Views
I do not think you can calculate the Mean without knowing the Units of Power darius_sedai - 22/11/2012 03:53:59 AM 989 Views
Re: Math gurus...Is it possible to find the missing variable... Tor - 23/11/2012 02:59:12 PM 1130 Views
Disregard this post *NM* Tor - 23/11/2012 03:02:24 PM 801 Views
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