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Re: Egwene is about as strong as Melaine and Amys combined fionwe1987 Send a noteboard - 20/11/2012 02:11:26 AM

There is no reason to assume Aviendha is wrong in a direct quote about something as simple as strength. Now it's probable that Aviendha was speaking about Potential rather than current strength, but even still Egwene was enough stronger than Amys to batter down the shield Amys held on her later in the book

But was unable to do so with Katerine, Barasine or Silviana, of whom only one is likely as strong as Amys at best?

I don't think anyone is arguing Egwene is stronger than Amys. The problem is the assumption that she's twice as strong, which makes no sense in light of Elza's quote.
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How many standard deviations is Lanfear Lanfear - 15/11/2012 06:04:39 PM 1961 Views
Well... vandevere - 15/11/2012 07:02:45 PM 1026 Views
Hmm... Sidious - 15/11/2012 07:25:34 PM 1113 Views
see we CAN agree on stuff darius_sedai - 15/11/2012 07:56:12 PM 971 Views
Sidious - 18/11/2012 08:37:22 PM 878 Views
We've always been close with everything except the scale darius_sedai - 18/11/2012 10:29:07 PM 919 Views
Re: DomA - 18/11/2012 11:07:17 PM 1069 Views
Re: Sidious - 19/11/2012 05:16:00 AM 916 Views
Re: DomA - 19/11/2012 03:13:01 PM 923 Views
They only reject 37.5%, not 62.5% Shannow - 19/11/2012 03:19:19 PM 898 Views
Re: They only reject 37.5%, not 62.5% DomA - 19/11/2012 04:01:43 PM 1128 Views
Re: They only reject 37.5%, not 62.5% darius_sedai - 19/11/2012 09:04:04 PM 866 Views
Hmmm... fionwe1987 - 20/11/2012 02:08:40 AM 924 Views
Perhaps, but Egwene is also being a bit dramatic in the scene as she managed darius_sedai - 20/11/2012 04:28:57 AM 893 Views
Nope... fionwe1987 - 20/11/2012 03:13:13 PM 925 Views
I believe she is being over dramatic darius_sedai - 20/11/2012 03:26:24 PM 832 Views
Keep believing that... fionwe1987 - 20/11/2012 03:30:14 PM 960 Views
*shrugs* darius_sedai - 20/11/2012 03:49:10 PM 913 Views
Tired and forkroot are the same now? fionwe1987 - 20/11/2012 03:55:22 PM 836 Views
No it's the literary device darius_sedai - 20/11/2012 04:04:28 PM 948 Views
This is getting ridiculous... fionwe1987 - 20/11/2012 04:43:13 PM 827 Views
You are missing my point completely darius_sedai - 20/11/2012 04:50:46 PM 793 Views
Impossible. Daigian is exactly 0.32SD below the mean Shannow - 19/11/2012 11:06:04 AM 879 Views
You keep saying that, but it is either a linear or a non-linear distribution darius_sedai - 19/11/2012 09:09:32 PM 937 Views
That's the whole point. Thanks for finally seeing it. Shannow - 19/11/2012 09:43:27 PM 891 Views
keep believing that ... but you making up numbers isn't really relevant *NM* darius_sedai - 20/11/2012 04:29:44 AM 614 Views
Please show me a number that is made up. The 0.32SD for Daigian is a rule of statistics. Shannow - 20/11/2012 07:15:48 AM 856 Views
Go read Fionwe's post about it *NM* darius_sedai - 20/11/2012 02:33:19 PM 628 Views
Is that before or after she started juicing? Praziquantel - 15/11/2012 11:04:14 PM 871 Views
Wouldn't it be 1 in 105 million? Lanfear - 21/11/2012 04:56:19 PM 725 Views
Are you sure that it is a normal distribution? Dreadlord - 16/11/2012 04:21:02 PM 957 Views
Ugh. I hate power level discussions. For real world applications, it should be kind of meaningless beetnemesis - 16/11/2012 10:28:49 PM 868 Views
I don't really agree Sidious - 18/11/2012 08:40:53 PM 815 Views
Perhaps, but we've seen that a MUCH weaker Channeler can win in a duel darius_sedai - 19/11/2012 09:13:48 PM 874 Views
Re: Perhaps, but we've seen that a MUCH weaker Channeler can win in a duel Sidious - 20/11/2012 08:10:01 AM 851 Views
probably ... Lanfear/Cyndane is clearly remarkably skilled darius_sedai - 20/11/2012 02:35:09 PM 875 Views
Since I've proven that it's not a normal distribution in units of absolute strength, SDs don't apply Shannow - 17/11/2012 07:48:21 PM 900 Views
You have proven nothing, except that you have an opinion *NM* darius_sedai - 18/11/2012 02:21:35 AM 599 Views
You simply don't get it. It is mathematically a fact. There is no opinion involved. Shannow - 18/11/2012 02:19:40 PM 740 Views
Only because you've assigned numeric values. That you created. darius_sedai - 18/11/2012 02:40:51 PM 856 Views
It doesn't matter what figure you use... Shannow - 18/11/2012 03:01:56 PM 757 Views
What if Daigian is one third Lanfear's strength? fionwe1987 - 18/11/2012 04:37:58 PM 882 Views
We have a limit for Daigian's strength, as you well know. Shannow - 18/11/2012 05:41:49 PM 847 Views
Are you kidding me? fionwe1987 - 18/11/2012 09:07:38 PM 1006 Views
Sure you can darius_sedai - 18/11/2012 10:09:31 PM 910 Views
Re: Sure you can DomA - 18/11/2012 10:54:50 PM 856 Views
You're right, though its 37.5% fionwe1987 - 19/11/2012 12:21:29 AM 829 Views
Oops, typo! darius_sedai - 19/11/2012 02:54:25 AM 897 Views
Again, not possible, due to Daigian being just 0.3SD below the Mean Shannow - 19/11/2012 08:37:01 AM 826 Views
Egwene is definitely not 2x Amys... fionwe1987 - 19/11/2012 04:05:12 PM 789 Views
Re: Egwene is definitely not 2x Amys... Sidious - 19/11/2012 05:55:02 PM 720 Views
Egwene is about as strong as Melaine and Amys combined darius_sedai - 19/11/2012 09:19:50 PM 840 Views
Re: Egwene is about as strong as Melaine and Amys combined fionwe1987 - 20/11/2012 02:11:26 AM 852 Views
Forkroot in every case darius_sedai - 20/11/2012 04:32:26 AM 835 Views
No! fionwe1987 - 20/11/2012 03:15:16 PM 830 Views
I'm not going to go re-read the books to you on this darius_sedai - 20/11/2012 03:39:46 PM 834 Views
You need to read it for yourself, since you're completely confused. fionwe1987 - 20/11/2012 03:54:26 PM 802 Views
Not going to argue this with you. darius_sedai - 20/11/2012 04:09:44 PM 777 Views
Your own example disproved your point... fionwe1987 - 20/11/2012 04:39:25 PM 853 Views
let's see, she's both asleep and would need hours to regain her strength darius_sedai - 20/11/2012 04:43:17 PM 766 Views
Enough! fionwe1987 - 20/11/2012 05:04:06 PM 843 Views
LOL ... whatever. You go on believing that ... no one else sees it this way. *NM* darius_sedai - 20/11/2012 05:20:52 PM 586 Views
What a brilliant argument! fionwe1987 - 20/11/2012 05:25:18 PM 874 Views
this is why I refuse to continue this debate darius_sedai - 20/11/2012 05:31:11 PM 810 Views
Re: Your own example disproved your point... Sidious - 20/11/2012 05:10:15 PM 896 Views
Barasine + Katerine isn't that much less than darius_sedai - 20/11/2012 05:26:31 PM 892 Views
Re: Barasine + Katerine isn't that much less than Sidious - 20/11/2012 05:31:50 PM 820 Views
Re: Barasine + Katerine isn't that much less than darius_sedai - 20/11/2012 05:42:53 PM 827 Views
Excuse me? fionwe1987 - 20/11/2012 05:28:48 PM 881 Views
see we can agree on the relative strength of Egwene v. Forsaken darius_sedai - 20/11/2012 05:35:07 PM 830 Views
??? Sidious - 20/11/2012 05:37:01 PM 923 Views
2 middling sisters darius_sedai - 20/11/2012 05:45:27 PM 857 Views
Re: Egwene is definitely not 2x Amys... fionwe1987 - 20/11/2012 02:26:47 AM 769 Views
Re: Egwene is definitely not 2x Amys... Sidious - 20/11/2012 09:03:40 AM 821 Views
Re: Egwene is definitely not 2x Amys... darius_sedai - 20/11/2012 02:59:08 PM 864 Views
None of this is backed by any evidence... fionwe1987 - 20/11/2012 03:24:12 PM 769 Views
who said Cadsuane was 1.5x Moiraine or more? darius_sedai - 20/11/2012 04:03:13 PM 781 Views
Nope... fionwe1987 - 20/11/2012 04:41:35 PM 825 Views
wrong darius_sedai - 20/11/2012 04:48:50 PM 756 Views
My bad. Mized up 1/3 and 2/3. fionwe1987 - 20/11/2012 05:05:05 PM 842 Views
gotcha *NM* darius_sedai - 20/11/2012 05:46:21 PM 545 Views
Better evidence? LOL! fionwe1987 - 20/11/2012 03:18:55 PM 840 Views
Huh? How did you come to that conclusion? darius_sedai - 20/11/2012 04:40:56 PM 827 Views
Exactly *NM* Sidious - 20/11/2012 04:55:28 PM 787 Views
BEcause Cadsuane is close on the heels of Egwene? fionwe1987 - 20/11/2012 05:10:50 PM 734 Views
I'm not arguing that. I agree that Cadsuane is pretty close to Egwene darius_sedai - 20/11/2012 05:50:34 PM 849 Views
Re: Better evidence? LOL! Sidious - 20/11/2012 05:00:47 PM 755 Views
Interesting, but let's go with your figures... Shannow - 19/11/2012 06:54:54 AM 885 Views
Indeed Sidious - 19/11/2012 08:16:44 AM 922 Views
Rand is sort of a special case darius_sedai - 20/11/2012 04:25:02 AM 744 Views
Regarding Mesaana... Sidious - 20/11/2012 08:42:56 AM 828 Views
You continue to mix two things darius_sedai - 20/11/2012 03:24:44 PM 740 Views
No Sidious - 20/11/2012 04:54:19 PM 973 Views
You are mistaken darius_sedai - 20/11/2012 05:04:40 PM 818 Views
Yes she did Darius! Sidious - 20/11/2012 05:27:36 PM 763 Views
Yet there is no duel darius_sedai - 20/11/2012 06:01:17 PM 748 Views
Explain the .3xSD thing to me... fionwe1987 - 19/11/2012 04:58:57 PM 999 Views
Probably, but the AS have no idea what 37.5% means darius_sedai - 19/11/2012 02:59:26 AM 791 Views
It's irrelevant DomA - 19/11/2012 03:46:42 AM 826 Views
Agreed. Daigian is the marker of the absolute bottom of Aes Sedai strength. Shannow - 19/11/2012 06:55:41 AM 804 Views
Daigian Sidious - 19/11/2012 08:12:19 AM 844 Views
It is a direct marker due to RJ's quote Shannow - 19/11/2012 08:50:26 AM 844 Views
You missed my point Sidious - 19/11/2012 09:08:42 AM 801 Views
Re: You missed my point DomA - 19/11/2012 02:18:33 PM 849 Views
Asmodean would never have made the comment about 13 weakest AS darius_sedai - 20/11/2012 04:41:11 AM 807 Views
Re: Asmodean would never have made the comment about 13 weakest AS Sidious - 20/11/2012 09:07:49 AM 777 Views
Which would make an average AS around a 30 darius_sedai - 20/11/2012 04:58:56 PM 649 Views
Re: Sure you can Tor - 19/11/2012 09:22:09 AM 924 Views
Care to explain this... fionwe1987 - 19/11/2012 05:06:28 PM 781 Views
Indeed Tor - 20/11/2012 07:16:37 AM 991 Views
Explained far better than I ever could. Bravo. Shannow - 20/11/2012 07:30:29 AM 795 Views
Well duh. fionwe1987 - 20/11/2012 02:57:24 PM 910 Views
Incorrect. Shannow - 20/11/2012 04:28:07 PM 899 Views
No fionwe1987 - 20/11/2012 04:44:16 PM 876 Views
Re: No Tor - 20/11/2012 04:48:36 PM 861 Views
That depends... fionwe1987 - 20/11/2012 05:18:46 PM 732 Views
Re: That depends... Tor - 20/11/2012 05:31:03 PM 1149 Views
You're integrating without lower limits... fionwe1987 - 20/11/2012 02:55:06 PM 845 Views
Re: You're integrating without lower limits... Tor - 20/11/2012 04:37:57 PM 871 Views
It matters. fionwe1987 - 20/11/2012 05:22:40 PM 852 Views
We are not talking about a normal distribution in any case darius_sedai - 20/11/2012 04:44:24 AM 672 Views
Re: We are not talking about a normal distribution in any case Tor - 20/11/2012 07:02:47 AM 865 Views
You must tell me of this special math... fionwe1987 - 20/11/2012 03:10:09 PM 772 Views
Re: You must tell me of this special math... Tor - 20/11/2012 04:29:40 PM 805 Views
Morghase is a placeholder... fionwe1987 - 20/11/2012 04:45:42 PM 881 Views
Re: Morghase is a placeholder... Tor - 20/11/2012 04:49:54 PM 1062 Views
Why? fionwe1987 - 20/11/2012 05:23:29 PM 848 Views
Re: Why? Tor - 20/11/2012 05:36:45 PM 1017 Views
Well... Sidious - 18/11/2012 08:43:59 PM 918 Views
Re: Well... DomA - 19/11/2012 03:40:44 PM 886 Views
Wow. Shannow - 19/11/2012 03:53:47 PM 926 Views
Re: Wow. DomA - 19/11/2012 04:26:09 PM 946 Views
Some points Sidious - 19/11/2012 06:03:00 PM 961 Views
Well then you're both wrong I'm afraid Sidious - 19/11/2012 06:09:36 PM 781 Views
Re: Well then you're both wrong I'm afraid DomA - 19/11/2012 07:42:58 PM 690 Views
this is why I think all of the Forsaken are very close in Power darius_sedai - 20/11/2012 04:51:20 AM 877 Views
Agreed Sidious - 20/11/2012 08:13:37 AM 906 Views
probably darius_sedai - 20/11/2012 06:18:45 PM 802 Views
Re: this is why I think all of the Forsaken are very close in Power DomA - 20/11/2012 02:45:18 PM 818 Views
I think RJ went out of his way to keep strength a bit of a mystery darius_sedai - 20/11/2012 08:42:44 PM 837 Views
Indeed... DomA - 21/11/2012 05:44:18 PM 797 Views
I agree darius_sedai - 22/11/2012 01:43:02 AM 1058 Views
Math gurus...Is it possible to find the missing variable... Lanfear - 21/11/2012 05:12:24 PM 818 Views
the problem is that the Mean is not going to tell us much really darius_sedai - 22/11/2012 02:55:03 AM 901 Views
Re: the problem is that the Mean is not going to tell us much really Lanfear - 22/11/2012 03:15:33 AM 1180 Views
I do not think you can calculate the Mean without knowing the Units of Power darius_sedai - 22/11/2012 03:53:59 AM 988 Views
Re: Math gurus...Is it possible to find the missing variable... Tor - 23/11/2012 02:59:12 PM 1130 Views
Disregard this post *NM* Tor - 23/11/2012 03:02:24 PM 801 Views
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