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Re: Why? Tor Send a noteboard - 20/11/2012 05:36:45 PM
I'm not clear why you think this needs arguments in support. The strongest woman and the weakest woman will be equidistant from the mean. There's no argument about it.


Everything except axioms and definitions need arguments in support.

If I created a fantasy world, there would be no particular reason why I couldn't create a scale from 0 to 120 for strength in the Force, and have it normally distributed with the mean at 50, and standard deviation 10, placing the weakest person at 5 standard deviations below the mean, and the strongest channeler at 6 standard deviations above the mean. This would put the average slightly higher than the mean, but who cares, it's my world, and it's not like fans will be debating this stuff to floating point precision anyway, right?

Jordan may very well have made his distribution symmetric, but there's no reason he would have to.

Edit: In fact, you had the example yourself. SAT scores are normally distributed, and truncated at 200 and 800, but the mean isn't always at exactly 500.
Fram kamerater!
This message last edited by Tor on 20/11/2012 at 05:49:39 PM
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How many standard deviations is Lanfear - 15/11/2012 06:04:39 PM 1955 Views
Well... - 15/11/2012 07:02:45 PM 1023 Views
Hmm... - 15/11/2012 07:25:34 PM 1109 Views
see we CAN agree on stuff - 15/11/2012 07:56:12 PM 966 Views
- 18/11/2012 08:37:22 PM 876 Views
We've always been close with everything except the scale - 18/11/2012 10:29:07 PM 917 Views
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They only reject 37.5%, not 62.5% - 19/11/2012 03:19:19 PM 895 Views
Re: They only reject 37.5%, not 62.5% - 19/11/2012 04:01:43 PM 1124 Views
Re: They only reject 37.5%, not 62.5% - 19/11/2012 09:04:04 PM 864 Views
Hmmm... - 20/11/2012 02:08:40 AM 920 Views
Perhaps, but Egwene is also being a bit dramatic in the scene as she managed - 20/11/2012 04:28:57 AM 891 Views
Nope... - 20/11/2012 03:13:13 PM 920 Views
I believe she is being over dramatic - 20/11/2012 03:26:24 PM 829 Views
Keep believing that... - 20/11/2012 03:30:14 PM 958 Views
*shrugs* - 20/11/2012 03:49:10 PM 910 Views
Tired and forkroot are the same now? - 20/11/2012 03:55:22 PM 833 Views
No it's the literary device - 20/11/2012 04:04:28 PM 947 Views
This is getting ridiculous... - 20/11/2012 04:43:13 PM 824 Views
You are missing my point completely - 20/11/2012 04:50:46 PM 792 Views
Impossible. Daigian is exactly 0.32SD below the mean - 19/11/2012 11:06:04 AM 876 Views
You keep saying that, but it is either a linear or a non-linear distribution - 19/11/2012 09:09:32 PM 933 Views
That's the whole point. Thanks for finally seeing it. - 19/11/2012 09:43:27 PM 889 Views
keep believing that ... but you making up numbers isn't really relevant *NM* - 20/11/2012 04:29:44 AM 613 Views
Please show me a number that is made up. The 0.32SD for Daigian is a rule of statistics. - 20/11/2012 07:15:48 AM 853 Views
Go read Fionwe's post about it *NM* - 20/11/2012 02:33:19 PM 626 Views
Is that before or after she started juicing? - 15/11/2012 11:04:14 PM 866 Views
Wouldn't it be 1 in 105 million? - 21/11/2012 04:56:19 PM 719 Views
Are you sure that it is a normal distribution? - 16/11/2012 04:21:02 PM 954 Views
Ugh. I hate power level discussions. For real world applications, it should be kind of meaningless - 16/11/2012 10:28:49 PM 867 Views
I don't really agree - 18/11/2012 08:40:53 PM 814 Views
Perhaps, but we've seen that a MUCH weaker Channeler can win in a duel - 19/11/2012 09:13:48 PM 871 Views
Re: Perhaps, but we've seen that a MUCH weaker Channeler can win in a duel - 20/11/2012 08:10:01 AM 849 Views
probably ... Lanfear/Cyndane is clearly remarkably skilled - 20/11/2012 02:35:09 PM 872 Views
Since I've proven that it's not a normal distribution in units of absolute strength, SDs don't apply - 17/11/2012 07:48:21 PM 899 Views
You have proven nothing, except that you have an opinion *NM* - 18/11/2012 02:21:35 AM 597 Views
You simply don't get it. It is mathematically a fact. There is no opinion involved. - 18/11/2012 02:19:40 PM 738 Views
Only because you've assigned numeric values. That you created. - 18/11/2012 02:40:51 PM 853 Views
It doesn't matter what figure you use... - 18/11/2012 03:01:56 PM 755 Views
What if Daigian is one third Lanfear's strength? - 18/11/2012 04:37:58 PM 880 Views
We have a limit for Daigian's strength, as you well know. - 18/11/2012 05:41:49 PM 843 Views
Are you kidding me? - 18/11/2012 09:07:38 PM 1005 Views
Sure you can - 18/11/2012 10:09:31 PM 909 Views
Re: Sure you can - 18/11/2012 10:54:50 PM 855 Views
You're right, though its 37.5% - 19/11/2012 12:21:29 AM 828 Views
Oops, typo! - 19/11/2012 02:54:25 AM 896 Views
Again, not possible, due to Daigian being just 0.3SD below the Mean - 19/11/2012 08:37:01 AM 823 Views
Egwene is definitely not 2x Amys... - 19/11/2012 04:05:12 PM 788 Views
Re: Egwene is definitely not 2x Amys... - 19/11/2012 05:55:02 PM 719 Views
Egwene is about as strong as Melaine and Amys combined - 19/11/2012 09:19:50 PM 839 Views
Re: Egwene is about as strong as Melaine and Amys combined - 20/11/2012 02:11:26 AM 849 Views
Forkroot in every case - 20/11/2012 04:32:26 AM 832 Views
No! - 20/11/2012 03:15:16 PM 826 Views
I'm not going to go re-read the books to you on this - 20/11/2012 03:39:46 PM 832 Views
You need to read it for yourself, since you're completely confused. - 20/11/2012 03:54:26 PM 799 Views
Not going to argue this with you. - 20/11/2012 04:09:44 PM 774 Views
Your own example disproved your point... - 20/11/2012 04:39:25 PM 851 Views
let's see, she's both asleep and would need hours to regain her strength - 20/11/2012 04:43:17 PM 763 Views
Enough! - 20/11/2012 05:04:06 PM 840 Views
LOL ... whatever. You go on believing that ... no one else sees it this way. *NM* - 20/11/2012 05:20:52 PM 585 Views
What a brilliant argument! - 20/11/2012 05:25:18 PM 871 Views
this is why I refuse to continue this debate - 20/11/2012 05:31:11 PM 809 Views
Re: Your own example disproved your point... - 20/11/2012 05:10:15 PM 890 Views
Barasine + Katerine isn't that much less than - 20/11/2012 05:26:31 PM 890 Views
Re: Barasine + Katerine isn't that much less than - 20/11/2012 05:31:50 PM 817 Views
Re: Barasine + Katerine isn't that much less than - 20/11/2012 05:42:53 PM 826 Views
Excuse me? - 20/11/2012 05:28:48 PM 879 Views
see we can agree on the relative strength of Egwene v. Forsaken - 20/11/2012 05:35:07 PM 827 Views
??? - 20/11/2012 05:37:01 PM 922 Views
2 middling sisters - 20/11/2012 05:45:27 PM 855 Views
Re: Egwene is definitely not 2x Amys... - 20/11/2012 02:26:47 AM 767 Views
Re: Egwene is definitely not 2x Amys... - 20/11/2012 09:03:40 AM 819 Views
Re: Egwene is definitely not 2x Amys... - 20/11/2012 02:59:08 PM 859 Views
None of this is backed by any evidence... - 20/11/2012 03:24:12 PM 765 Views
who said Cadsuane was 1.5x Moiraine or more? - 20/11/2012 04:03:13 PM 778 Views
Nope... - 20/11/2012 04:41:35 PM 823 Views
wrong - 20/11/2012 04:48:50 PM 754 Views
My bad. Mized up 1/3 and 2/3. - 20/11/2012 05:05:05 PM 839 Views
gotcha *NM* - 20/11/2012 05:46:21 PM 543 Views
Better evidence? LOL! - 20/11/2012 03:18:55 PM 835 Views
Huh? How did you come to that conclusion? - 20/11/2012 04:40:56 PM 826 Views
Exactly *NM* - 20/11/2012 04:55:28 PM 784 Views
BEcause Cadsuane is close on the heels of Egwene? - 20/11/2012 05:10:50 PM 732 Views
I'm not arguing that. I agree that Cadsuane is pretty close to Egwene - 20/11/2012 05:50:34 PM 848 Views
Re: Better evidence? LOL! - 20/11/2012 05:00:47 PM 753 Views
Interesting, but let's go with your figures... - 19/11/2012 06:54:54 AM 882 Views
Indeed - 19/11/2012 08:16:44 AM 920 Views
Rand is sort of a special case - 20/11/2012 04:25:02 AM 742 Views
Regarding Mesaana... - 20/11/2012 08:42:56 AM 825 Views
You continue to mix two things - 20/11/2012 03:24:44 PM 738 Views
No - 20/11/2012 04:54:19 PM 969 Views
You are mistaken - 20/11/2012 05:04:40 PM 814 Views
Yes she did Darius! - 20/11/2012 05:27:36 PM 758 Views
Yet there is no duel - 20/11/2012 06:01:17 PM 746 Views
Explain the .3xSD thing to me... - 19/11/2012 04:58:57 PM 995 Views
Probably, but the AS have no idea what 37.5% means - 19/11/2012 02:59:26 AM 789 Views
It's irrelevant - 19/11/2012 03:46:42 AM 824 Views
Agreed. Daigian is the marker of the absolute bottom of Aes Sedai strength. - 19/11/2012 06:55:41 AM 800 Views
Daigian - 19/11/2012 08:12:19 AM 843 Views
It is a direct marker due to RJ's quote - 19/11/2012 08:50:26 AM 841 Views
You missed my point - 19/11/2012 09:08:42 AM 800 Views
Re: You missed my point - 19/11/2012 02:18:33 PM 847 Views
Asmodean would never have made the comment about 13 weakest AS - 20/11/2012 04:41:11 AM 805 Views
Re: Asmodean would never have made the comment about 13 weakest AS - 20/11/2012 09:07:49 AM 773 Views
Which would make an average AS around a 30 - 20/11/2012 04:58:56 PM 647 Views
Re: Sure you can - 19/11/2012 09:22:09 AM 922 Views
Care to explain this... - 19/11/2012 05:06:28 PM 780 Views
Indeed - 20/11/2012 07:16:37 AM 987 Views
Explained far better than I ever could. Bravo. - 20/11/2012 07:30:29 AM 794 Views
Well duh. - 20/11/2012 02:57:24 PM 905 Views
Incorrect. - 20/11/2012 04:28:07 PM 895 Views
No - 20/11/2012 04:44:16 PM 873 Views
Re: No - 20/11/2012 04:48:36 PM 857 Views
That depends... - 20/11/2012 05:18:46 PM 730 Views
Re: That depends... - 20/11/2012 05:31:03 PM 1142 Views
You're integrating without lower limits... - 20/11/2012 02:55:06 PM 844 Views
Re: You're integrating without lower limits... - 20/11/2012 04:37:57 PM 868 Views
It matters. - 20/11/2012 05:22:40 PM 851 Views
We are not talking about a normal distribution in any case - 20/11/2012 04:44:24 AM 669 Views
Re: We are not talking about a normal distribution in any case - 20/11/2012 07:02:47 AM 862 Views
You must tell me of this special math... - 20/11/2012 03:10:09 PM 769 Views
Re: You must tell me of this special math... - 20/11/2012 04:29:40 PM 797 Views
Morghase is a placeholder... - 20/11/2012 04:45:42 PM 878 Views
Re: Morghase is a placeholder... - 20/11/2012 04:49:54 PM 1057 Views
Why? - 20/11/2012 05:23:29 PM 847 Views
Re: Why? - 20/11/2012 05:36:45 PM 1014 Views
Well... - 18/11/2012 08:43:59 PM 917 Views
Re: Well... - 19/11/2012 03:40:44 PM 884 Views
Wow. - 19/11/2012 03:53:47 PM 924 Views
Re: Wow. - 19/11/2012 04:26:09 PM 945 Views
Some points - 19/11/2012 06:03:00 PM 959 Views
Well then you're both wrong I'm afraid - 19/11/2012 06:09:36 PM 777 Views
Re: Well then you're both wrong I'm afraid - 19/11/2012 07:42:58 PM 689 Views
this is why I think all of the Forsaken are very close in Power - 20/11/2012 04:51:20 AM 875 Views
Agreed - 20/11/2012 08:13:37 AM 902 Views
probably - 20/11/2012 06:18:45 PM 799 Views
Re: this is why I think all of the Forsaken are very close in Power - 20/11/2012 02:45:18 PM 816 Views
I think RJ went out of his way to keep strength a bit of a mystery - 20/11/2012 08:42:44 PM 835 Views
Indeed... - 21/11/2012 05:44:18 PM 795 Views
I agree - 22/11/2012 01:43:02 AM 1055 Views
Math gurus...Is it possible to find the missing variable... - 21/11/2012 05:12:24 PM 811 Views
the problem is that the Mean is not going to tell us much really - 22/11/2012 02:55:03 AM 900 Views
Re: Math gurus...Is it possible to find the missing variable... - 23/11/2012 02:59:12 PM 1125 Views
Disregard this post *NM* - 23/11/2012 03:02:24 PM 798 Views

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