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Re: That depends... Tor Send a noteboard - 20/11/2012 05:31:03 PM
In short, this is like the normal distribution you get for SAT score. Like RJ, they set 200 and 800 as lower and upper limits, and fit the curve to that region. And just as 500 is the mean in that curve, 50 will be the mean in RJ's curve.

And in this kind of a truncated curve, it is indeed possible to have everyone fall within one SD of the mean.


Absolutely true. However, that distribution will look like this. Does this look like something someone would describe as a bell curve? I think not, but that's just my opinion.

More importantly, a distribution like this would mean that the probability of finding a channeler like Lanfear is almost as great as the probability of finding someone of average strength. Is that supported by evidence from the books? I think not.
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How many standard deviations is Lanfear Lanfear - 15/11/2012 06:04:39 PM 1958 Views
Well... vandevere - 15/11/2012 07:02:45 PM 1025 Views
Hmm... Sidious - 15/11/2012 07:25:34 PM 1110 Views
see we CAN agree on stuff darius_sedai - 15/11/2012 07:56:12 PM 969 Views
Sidious - 18/11/2012 08:37:22 PM 876 Views
We've always been close with everything except the scale darius_sedai - 18/11/2012 10:29:07 PM 918 Views
Re: DomA - 18/11/2012 11:07:17 PM 1068 Views
Re: Sidious - 19/11/2012 05:16:00 AM 913 Views
Re: DomA - 19/11/2012 03:13:01 PM 922 Views
They only reject 37.5%, not 62.5% Shannow - 19/11/2012 03:19:19 PM 896 Views
Re: They only reject 37.5%, not 62.5% DomA - 19/11/2012 04:01:43 PM 1126 Views
Re: They only reject 37.5%, not 62.5% darius_sedai - 19/11/2012 09:04:04 PM 865 Views
Hmmm... fionwe1987 - 20/11/2012 02:08:40 AM 923 Views
Perhaps, but Egwene is also being a bit dramatic in the scene as she managed darius_sedai - 20/11/2012 04:28:57 AM 892 Views
Nope... fionwe1987 - 20/11/2012 03:13:13 PM 923 Views
I believe she is being over dramatic darius_sedai - 20/11/2012 03:26:24 PM 830 Views
Keep believing that... fionwe1987 - 20/11/2012 03:30:14 PM 959 Views
*shrugs* darius_sedai - 20/11/2012 03:49:10 PM 911 Views
Tired and forkroot are the same now? fionwe1987 - 20/11/2012 03:55:22 PM 835 Views
No it's the literary device darius_sedai - 20/11/2012 04:04:28 PM 947 Views
This is getting ridiculous... fionwe1987 - 20/11/2012 04:43:13 PM 826 Views
You are missing my point completely darius_sedai - 20/11/2012 04:50:46 PM 792 Views
Impossible. Daigian is exactly 0.32SD below the mean Shannow - 19/11/2012 11:06:04 AM 878 Views
You keep saying that, but it is either a linear or a non-linear distribution darius_sedai - 19/11/2012 09:09:32 PM 935 Views
That's the whole point. Thanks for finally seeing it. Shannow - 19/11/2012 09:43:27 PM 890 Views
keep believing that ... but you making up numbers isn't really relevant *NM* darius_sedai - 20/11/2012 04:29:44 AM 613 Views
Please show me a number that is made up. The 0.32SD for Daigian is a rule of statistics. Shannow - 20/11/2012 07:15:48 AM 854 Views
Go read Fionwe's post about it *NM* darius_sedai - 20/11/2012 02:33:19 PM 626 Views
Is that before or after she started juicing? Praziquantel - 15/11/2012 11:04:14 PM 868 Views
Wouldn't it be 1 in 105 million? Lanfear - 21/11/2012 04:56:19 PM 724 Views
Are you sure that it is a normal distribution? Dreadlord - 16/11/2012 04:21:02 PM 954 Views
Ugh. I hate power level discussions. For real world applications, it should be kind of meaningless beetnemesis - 16/11/2012 10:28:49 PM 867 Views
I don't really agree Sidious - 18/11/2012 08:40:53 PM 814 Views
Perhaps, but we've seen that a MUCH weaker Channeler can win in a duel darius_sedai - 19/11/2012 09:13:48 PM 872 Views
Re: Perhaps, but we've seen that a MUCH weaker Channeler can win in a duel Sidious - 20/11/2012 08:10:01 AM 850 Views
probably ... Lanfear/Cyndane is clearly remarkably skilled darius_sedai - 20/11/2012 02:35:09 PM 873 Views
Since I've proven that it's not a normal distribution in units of absolute strength, SDs don't apply Shannow - 17/11/2012 07:48:21 PM 899 Views
You have proven nothing, except that you have an opinion *NM* darius_sedai - 18/11/2012 02:21:35 AM 598 Views
You simply don't get it. It is mathematically a fact. There is no opinion involved. Shannow - 18/11/2012 02:19:40 PM 739 Views
Only because you've assigned numeric values. That you created. darius_sedai - 18/11/2012 02:40:51 PM 855 Views
It doesn't matter what figure you use... Shannow - 18/11/2012 03:01:56 PM 755 Views
What if Daigian is one third Lanfear's strength? fionwe1987 - 18/11/2012 04:37:58 PM 881 Views
We have a limit for Daigian's strength, as you well know. Shannow - 18/11/2012 05:41:49 PM 845 Views
Are you kidding me? fionwe1987 - 18/11/2012 09:07:38 PM 1005 Views
Sure you can darius_sedai - 18/11/2012 10:09:31 PM 909 Views
Re: Sure you can DomA - 18/11/2012 10:54:50 PM 855 Views
You're right, though its 37.5% fionwe1987 - 19/11/2012 12:21:29 AM 828 Views
Oops, typo! darius_sedai - 19/11/2012 02:54:25 AM 896 Views
Again, not possible, due to Daigian being just 0.3SD below the Mean Shannow - 19/11/2012 08:37:01 AM 825 Views
Egwene is definitely not 2x Amys... fionwe1987 - 19/11/2012 04:05:12 PM 788 Views
Re: Egwene is definitely not 2x Amys... Sidious - 19/11/2012 05:55:02 PM 719 Views
Egwene is about as strong as Melaine and Amys combined darius_sedai - 19/11/2012 09:19:50 PM 839 Views
Re: Egwene is about as strong as Melaine and Amys combined fionwe1987 - 20/11/2012 02:11:26 AM 850 Views
Forkroot in every case darius_sedai - 20/11/2012 04:32:26 AM 833 Views
No! fionwe1987 - 20/11/2012 03:15:16 PM 829 Views
I'm not going to go re-read the books to you on this darius_sedai - 20/11/2012 03:39:46 PM 833 Views
You need to read it for yourself, since you're completely confused. fionwe1987 - 20/11/2012 03:54:26 PM 800 Views
Not going to argue this with you. darius_sedai - 20/11/2012 04:09:44 PM 776 Views
Your own example disproved your point... fionwe1987 - 20/11/2012 04:39:25 PM 851 Views
let's see, she's both asleep and would need hours to regain her strength darius_sedai - 20/11/2012 04:43:17 PM 764 Views
Enough! fionwe1987 - 20/11/2012 05:04:06 PM 842 Views
LOL ... whatever. You go on believing that ... no one else sees it this way. *NM* darius_sedai - 20/11/2012 05:20:52 PM 585 Views
What a brilliant argument! fionwe1987 - 20/11/2012 05:25:18 PM 872 Views
this is why I refuse to continue this debate darius_sedai - 20/11/2012 05:31:11 PM 809 Views
Re: Your own example disproved your point... Sidious - 20/11/2012 05:10:15 PM 892 Views
Barasine + Katerine isn't that much less than darius_sedai - 20/11/2012 05:26:31 PM 890 Views
Re: Barasine + Katerine isn't that much less than Sidious - 20/11/2012 05:31:50 PM 818 Views
Re: Barasine + Katerine isn't that much less than darius_sedai - 20/11/2012 05:42:53 PM 826 Views
Excuse me? fionwe1987 - 20/11/2012 05:28:48 PM 880 Views
see we can agree on the relative strength of Egwene v. Forsaken darius_sedai - 20/11/2012 05:35:07 PM 828 Views
??? Sidious - 20/11/2012 05:37:01 PM 922 Views
2 middling sisters darius_sedai - 20/11/2012 05:45:27 PM 855 Views
Re: Egwene is definitely not 2x Amys... fionwe1987 - 20/11/2012 02:26:47 AM 768 Views
Re: Egwene is definitely not 2x Amys... Sidious - 20/11/2012 09:03:40 AM 820 Views
Re: Egwene is definitely not 2x Amys... darius_sedai - 20/11/2012 02:59:08 PM 861 Views
None of this is backed by any evidence... fionwe1987 - 20/11/2012 03:24:12 PM 768 Views
who said Cadsuane was 1.5x Moiraine or more? darius_sedai - 20/11/2012 04:03:13 PM 780 Views
Nope... fionwe1987 - 20/11/2012 04:41:35 PM 823 Views
wrong darius_sedai - 20/11/2012 04:48:50 PM 755 Views
My bad. Mized up 1/3 and 2/3. fionwe1987 - 20/11/2012 05:05:05 PM 841 Views
gotcha *NM* darius_sedai - 20/11/2012 05:46:21 PM 544 Views
Better evidence? LOL! fionwe1987 - 20/11/2012 03:18:55 PM 838 Views
Huh? How did you come to that conclusion? darius_sedai - 20/11/2012 04:40:56 PM 826 Views
Exactly *NM* Sidious - 20/11/2012 04:55:28 PM 786 Views
BEcause Cadsuane is close on the heels of Egwene? fionwe1987 - 20/11/2012 05:10:50 PM 732 Views
I'm not arguing that. I agree that Cadsuane is pretty close to Egwene darius_sedai - 20/11/2012 05:50:34 PM 848 Views
Re: Better evidence? LOL! Sidious - 20/11/2012 05:00:47 PM 753 Views
Interesting, but let's go with your figures... Shannow - 19/11/2012 06:54:54 AM 883 Views
Indeed Sidious - 19/11/2012 08:16:44 AM 921 Views
Rand is sort of a special case darius_sedai - 20/11/2012 04:25:02 AM 743 Views
Regarding Mesaana... Sidious - 20/11/2012 08:42:56 AM 825 Views
You continue to mix two things darius_sedai - 20/11/2012 03:24:44 PM 739 Views
No Sidious - 20/11/2012 04:54:19 PM 970 Views
You are mistaken darius_sedai - 20/11/2012 05:04:40 PM 815 Views
Yes she did Darius! Sidious - 20/11/2012 05:27:36 PM 760 Views
Yet there is no duel darius_sedai - 20/11/2012 06:01:17 PM 746 Views
Explain the .3xSD thing to me... fionwe1987 - 19/11/2012 04:58:57 PM 996 Views
Probably, but the AS have no idea what 37.5% means darius_sedai - 19/11/2012 02:59:26 AM 789 Views
It's irrelevant DomA - 19/11/2012 03:46:42 AM 825 Views
Agreed. Daigian is the marker of the absolute bottom of Aes Sedai strength. Shannow - 19/11/2012 06:55:41 AM 802 Views
Daigian Sidious - 19/11/2012 08:12:19 AM 843 Views
It is a direct marker due to RJ's quote Shannow - 19/11/2012 08:50:26 AM 843 Views
You missed my point Sidious - 19/11/2012 09:08:42 AM 800 Views
Re: You missed my point DomA - 19/11/2012 02:18:33 PM 848 Views
Asmodean would never have made the comment about 13 weakest AS darius_sedai - 20/11/2012 04:41:11 AM 805 Views
Re: Asmodean would never have made the comment about 13 weakest AS Sidious - 20/11/2012 09:07:49 AM 775 Views
Which would make an average AS around a 30 darius_sedai - 20/11/2012 04:58:56 PM 648 Views
Re: Sure you can Tor - 19/11/2012 09:22:09 AM 922 Views
Care to explain this... fionwe1987 - 19/11/2012 05:06:28 PM 780 Views
Indeed Tor - 20/11/2012 07:16:37 AM 989 Views
Explained far better than I ever could. Bravo. Shannow - 20/11/2012 07:30:29 AM 794 Views
Well duh. fionwe1987 - 20/11/2012 02:57:24 PM 909 Views
Incorrect. Shannow - 20/11/2012 04:28:07 PM 897 Views
No fionwe1987 - 20/11/2012 04:44:16 PM 875 Views
Re: No Tor - 20/11/2012 04:48:36 PM 858 Views
That depends... fionwe1987 - 20/11/2012 05:18:46 PM 730 Views
Re: That depends... Tor - 20/11/2012 05:31:03 PM 1145 Views
You're integrating without lower limits... fionwe1987 - 20/11/2012 02:55:06 PM 844 Views
Re: You're integrating without lower limits... Tor - 20/11/2012 04:37:57 PM 869 Views
It matters. fionwe1987 - 20/11/2012 05:22:40 PM 851 Views
We are not talking about a normal distribution in any case darius_sedai - 20/11/2012 04:44:24 AM 671 Views
Re: We are not talking about a normal distribution in any case Tor - 20/11/2012 07:02:47 AM 863 Views
You must tell me of this special math... fionwe1987 - 20/11/2012 03:10:09 PM 771 Views
Re: You must tell me of this special math... Tor - 20/11/2012 04:29:40 PM 800 Views
Morghase is a placeholder... fionwe1987 - 20/11/2012 04:45:42 PM 880 Views
Re: Morghase is a placeholder... Tor - 20/11/2012 04:49:54 PM 1060 Views
Why? fionwe1987 - 20/11/2012 05:23:29 PM 847 Views
Re: Why? Tor - 20/11/2012 05:36:45 PM 1015 Views
Well... Sidious - 18/11/2012 08:43:59 PM 917 Views
Re: Well... DomA - 19/11/2012 03:40:44 PM 885 Views
Wow. Shannow - 19/11/2012 03:53:47 PM 925 Views
Re: Wow. DomA - 19/11/2012 04:26:09 PM 945 Views
Some points Sidious - 19/11/2012 06:03:00 PM 960 Views
Well then you're both wrong I'm afraid Sidious - 19/11/2012 06:09:36 PM 780 Views
Re: Well then you're both wrong I'm afraid DomA - 19/11/2012 07:42:58 PM 689 Views
this is why I think all of the Forsaken are very close in Power darius_sedai - 20/11/2012 04:51:20 AM 876 Views
Agreed Sidious - 20/11/2012 08:13:37 AM 905 Views
probably darius_sedai - 20/11/2012 06:18:45 PM 801 Views
Re: this is why I think all of the Forsaken are very close in Power DomA - 20/11/2012 02:45:18 PM 817 Views
I think RJ went out of his way to keep strength a bit of a mystery darius_sedai - 20/11/2012 08:42:44 PM 835 Views
Indeed... DomA - 21/11/2012 05:44:18 PM 796 Views
I agree darius_sedai - 22/11/2012 01:43:02 AM 1056 Views
Math gurus...Is it possible to find the missing variable... Lanfear - 21/11/2012 05:12:24 PM 815 Views
the problem is that the Mean is not going to tell us much really darius_sedai - 22/11/2012 02:55:03 AM 900 Views
Re: the problem is that the Mean is not going to tell us much really Lanfear - 22/11/2012 03:15:33 AM 1179 Views
I do not think you can calculate the Mean without knowing the Units of Power darius_sedai - 22/11/2012 03:53:59 AM 987 Views
Re: Math gurus...Is it possible to find the missing variable... Tor - 23/11/2012 02:59:12 PM 1128 Views
Disregard this post *NM* Tor - 23/11/2012 03:02:24 PM 800 Views
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