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Re: That depends... Tor Send a noteboard - 20/11/2012 05:31:03 PM
In short, this is like the normal distribution you get for SAT score. Like RJ, they set 200 and 800 as lower and upper limits, and fit the curve to that region. And just as 500 is the mean in that curve, 50 will be the mean in RJ's curve.

And in this kind of a truncated curve, it is indeed possible to have everyone fall within one SD of the mean.


Absolutely true. However, that distribution will look like this. Does this look like something someone would describe as a bell curve? I think not, but that's just my opinion.

More importantly, a distribution like this would mean that the probability of finding a channeler like Lanfear is almost as great as the probability of finding someone of average strength. Is that supported by evidence from the books? I think not.
Fram kamerater!
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How many standard deviations is Lanfear Lanfear - 15/11/2012 06:04:39 PM 2428 Views
Well... vandevere - 15/11/2012 07:02:45 PM 1435 Views
Hmm... Sidious - 15/11/2012 07:25:34 PM 1530 Views
see we CAN agree on stuff darius_sedai - 15/11/2012 07:56:12 PM 1381 Views
Sidious - 18/11/2012 08:37:22 PM 1229 Views
We've always been close with everything except the scale darius_sedai - 18/11/2012 10:29:07 PM 1267 Views
Re: DomA - 18/11/2012 11:07:17 PM 1455 Views
Re: Sidious - 19/11/2012 05:16:00 AM 1291 Views
Re: DomA - 19/11/2012 03:13:01 PM 1288 Views
They only reject 37.5%, not 62.5% Shannow - 19/11/2012 03:19:19 PM 1318 Views
Re: They only reject 37.5%, not 62.5% DomA - 19/11/2012 04:01:43 PM 1507 Views
Re: They only reject 37.5%, not 62.5% darius_sedai - 19/11/2012 09:04:04 PM 1258 Views
Hmmm... fionwe1987 - 20/11/2012 02:08:40 AM 1334 Views
Perhaps, but Egwene is also being a bit dramatic in the scene as she managed darius_sedai - 20/11/2012 04:28:57 AM 1301 Views
Nope... fionwe1987 - 20/11/2012 03:13:13 PM 1369 Views
I believe she is being over dramatic darius_sedai - 20/11/2012 03:26:24 PM 1223 Views
Keep believing that... fionwe1987 - 20/11/2012 03:30:14 PM 1360 Views
*shrugs* darius_sedai - 20/11/2012 03:49:10 PM 1343 Views
Tired and forkroot are the same now? fionwe1987 - 20/11/2012 03:55:22 PM 1225 Views
No it's the literary device darius_sedai - 20/11/2012 04:04:28 PM 1343 Views
This is getting ridiculous... fionwe1987 - 20/11/2012 04:43:13 PM 1224 Views
You are missing my point completely darius_sedai - 20/11/2012 04:50:46 PM 1153 Views
Impossible. Daigian is exactly 0.32SD below the mean Shannow - 19/11/2012 11:06:04 AM 1283 Views
You keep saying that, but it is either a linear or a non-linear distribution darius_sedai - 19/11/2012 09:09:32 PM 1360 Views
That's the whole point. Thanks for finally seeing it. Shannow - 19/11/2012 09:43:27 PM 1313 Views
keep believing that ... but you making up numbers isn't really relevant *NM* darius_sedai - 20/11/2012 04:29:44 AM 818 Views
Please show me a number that is made up. The 0.32SD for Daigian is a rule of statistics. Shannow - 20/11/2012 07:15:48 AM 1239 Views
Go read Fionwe's post about it *NM* darius_sedai - 20/11/2012 02:33:19 PM 826 Views
Is that before or after she started juicing? Praziquantel - 15/11/2012 11:04:14 PM 1282 Views
Wouldn't it be 1 in 105 million? Lanfear - 21/11/2012 04:56:19 PM 1141 Views
Are you sure that it is a normal distribution? Dreadlord - 16/11/2012 04:21:02 PM 1341 Views
Ugh. I hate power level discussions. For real world applications, it should be kind of meaningless beetnemesis - 16/11/2012 10:28:49 PM 1223 Views
I don't really agree Sidious - 18/11/2012 08:40:53 PM 1191 Views
Perhaps, but we've seen that a MUCH weaker Channeler can win in a duel darius_sedai - 19/11/2012 09:13:48 PM 1245 Views
Re: Perhaps, but we've seen that a MUCH weaker Channeler can win in a duel Sidious - 20/11/2012 08:10:01 AM 1224 Views
probably ... Lanfear/Cyndane is clearly remarkably skilled darius_sedai - 20/11/2012 02:35:09 PM 1256 Views
Since I've proven that it's not a normal distribution in units of absolute strength, SDs don't apply Shannow - 17/11/2012 07:48:21 PM 1304 Views
You have proven nothing, except that you have an opinion *NM* darius_sedai - 18/11/2012 02:21:35 AM 798 Views
You simply don't get it. It is mathematically a fact. There is no opinion involved. Shannow - 18/11/2012 02:19:40 PM 1104 Views
Only because you've assigned numeric values. That you created. darius_sedai - 18/11/2012 02:40:51 PM 1267 Views
It doesn't matter what figure you use... Shannow - 18/11/2012 03:01:56 PM 1146 Views
What if Daigian is one third Lanfear's strength? fionwe1987 - 18/11/2012 04:37:58 PM 1285 Views
We have a limit for Daigian's strength, as you well know. Shannow - 18/11/2012 05:41:49 PM 1235 Views
Are you kidding me? fionwe1987 - 18/11/2012 09:07:38 PM 1377 Views
Sure you can darius_sedai - 18/11/2012 10:09:31 PM 1281 Views
Re: Sure you can DomA - 18/11/2012 10:54:50 PM 1282 Views
You're right, though its 37.5% fionwe1987 - 19/11/2012 12:21:29 AM 1232 Views
Oops, typo! darius_sedai - 19/11/2012 02:54:25 AM 1270 Views
Again, not possible, due to Daigian being just 0.3SD below the Mean Shannow - 19/11/2012 08:37:01 AM 1227 Views
Egwene is definitely not 2x Amys... fionwe1987 - 19/11/2012 04:05:12 PM 1139 Views
Re: Egwene is definitely not 2x Amys... Sidious - 19/11/2012 05:55:02 PM 1089 Views
Egwene is about as strong as Melaine and Amys combined darius_sedai - 19/11/2012 09:19:50 PM 1210 Views
Re: Egwene is about as strong as Melaine and Amys combined fionwe1987 - 20/11/2012 02:11:26 AM 1286 Views
Forkroot in every case darius_sedai - 20/11/2012 04:32:26 AM 1231 Views
No! fionwe1987 - 20/11/2012 03:15:16 PM 1206 Views
I'm not going to go re-read the books to you on this darius_sedai - 20/11/2012 03:39:46 PM 1224 Views
You need to read it for yourself, since you're completely confused. fionwe1987 - 20/11/2012 03:54:26 PM 1222 Views
Not going to argue this with you. darius_sedai - 20/11/2012 04:09:44 PM 1140 Views
Your own example disproved your point... fionwe1987 - 20/11/2012 04:39:25 PM 1273 Views
let's see, she's both asleep and would need hours to regain her strength darius_sedai - 20/11/2012 04:43:17 PM 1168 Views
Enough! fionwe1987 - 20/11/2012 05:04:06 PM 1234 Views
LOL ... whatever. You go on believing that ... no one else sees it this way. *NM* darius_sedai - 20/11/2012 05:20:52 PM 788 Views
What a brilliant argument! fionwe1987 - 20/11/2012 05:25:18 PM 1241 Views
this is why I refuse to continue this debate darius_sedai - 20/11/2012 05:31:11 PM 1184 Views
Re: Your own example disproved your point... Sidious - 20/11/2012 05:10:15 PM 1256 Views
Barasine + Katerine isn't that much less than darius_sedai - 20/11/2012 05:26:31 PM 1262 Views
Re: Barasine + Katerine isn't that much less than Sidious - 20/11/2012 05:31:50 PM 1244 Views
Re: Barasine + Katerine isn't that much less than darius_sedai - 20/11/2012 05:42:53 PM 1221 Views
Excuse me? fionwe1987 - 20/11/2012 05:28:48 PM 1308 Views
see we can agree on the relative strength of Egwene v. Forsaken darius_sedai - 20/11/2012 05:35:07 PM 1247 Views
??? Sidious - 20/11/2012 05:37:01 PM 1323 Views
2 middling sisters darius_sedai - 20/11/2012 05:45:27 PM 1254 Views
Re: Egwene is definitely not 2x Amys... fionwe1987 - 20/11/2012 02:26:47 AM 1167 Views
Re: Egwene is definitely not 2x Amys... Sidious - 20/11/2012 09:03:40 AM 1203 Views
Re: Egwene is definitely not 2x Amys... darius_sedai - 20/11/2012 02:59:08 PM 1228 Views
None of this is backed by any evidence... fionwe1987 - 20/11/2012 03:24:12 PM 1158 Views
who said Cadsuane was 1.5x Moiraine or more? darius_sedai - 20/11/2012 04:03:13 PM 1167 Views
Nope... fionwe1987 - 20/11/2012 04:41:35 PM 1190 Views
wrong darius_sedai - 20/11/2012 04:48:50 PM 1142 Views
My bad. Mized up 1/3 and 2/3. fionwe1987 - 20/11/2012 05:05:05 PM 1231 Views
gotcha *NM* darius_sedai - 20/11/2012 05:46:21 PM 757 Views
Better evidence? LOL! fionwe1987 - 20/11/2012 03:18:55 PM 1210 Views
Huh? How did you come to that conclusion? darius_sedai - 20/11/2012 04:40:56 PM 1212 Views
Exactly *NM* Sidious - 20/11/2012 04:55:28 PM 1186 Views
BEcause Cadsuane is close on the heels of Egwene? fionwe1987 - 20/11/2012 05:10:50 PM 1115 Views
I'm not arguing that. I agree that Cadsuane is pretty close to Egwene darius_sedai - 20/11/2012 05:50:34 PM 1259 Views
Re: Better evidence? LOL! Sidious - 20/11/2012 05:00:47 PM 1128 Views
Interesting, but let's go with your figures... Shannow - 19/11/2012 06:54:54 AM 1292 Views
Indeed Sidious - 19/11/2012 08:16:44 AM 1319 Views
Rand is sort of a special case darius_sedai - 20/11/2012 04:25:02 AM 1180 Views
Regarding Mesaana... Sidious - 20/11/2012 08:42:56 AM 1208 Views
You continue to mix two things darius_sedai - 20/11/2012 03:24:44 PM 1133 Views
No Sidious - 20/11/2012 04:54:19 PM 1388 Views
You are mistaken darius_sedai - 20/11/2012 05:04:40 PM 1203 Views
Yes she did Darius! Sidious - 20/11/2012 05:27:36 PM 1154 Views
Yet there is no duel darius_sedai - 20/11/2012 06:01:17 PM 1143 Views
Explain the .3xSD thing to me... fionwe1987 - 19/11/2012 04:58:57 PM 1384 Views
Probably, but the AS have no idea what 37.5% means darius_sedai - 19/11/2012 02:59:26 AM 1160 Views
It's irrelevant DomA - 19/11/2012 03:46:42 AM 1254 Views
Agreed. Daigian is the marker of the absolute bottom of Aes Sedai strength. Shannow - 19/11/2012 06:55:41 AM 1205 Views
Daigian Sidious - 19/11/2012 08:12:19 AM 1213 Views
It is a direct marker due to RJ's quote Shannow - 19/11/2012 08:50:26 AM 1248 Views
You missed my point Sidious - 19/11/2012 09:08:42 AM 1171 Views
Re: You missed my point DomA - 19/11/2012 02:18:33 PM 1275 Views
Asmodean would never have made the comment about 13 weakest AS darius_sedai - 20/11/2012 04:41:11 AM 1188 Views
Re: Asmodean would never have made the comment about 13 weakest AS Sidious - 20/11/2012 09:07:49 AM 1153 Views
Which would make an average AS around a 30 darius_sedai - 20/11/2012 04:58:56 PM 1067 Views
Re: Sure you can Tor - 19/11/2012 09:22:09 AM 1305 Views
Care to explain this... fionwe1987 - 19/11/2012 05:06:28 PM 1111 Views
Indeed Tor - 20/11/2012 07:16:37 AM 1317 Views
Explained far better than I ever could. Bravo. Shannow - 20/11/2012 07:30:29 AM 1189 Views
Well duh. fionwe1987 - 20/11/2012 02:57:24 PM 1281 Views
Incorrect. Shannow - 20/11/2012 04:28:07 PM 1286 Views
No fionwe1987 - 20/11/2012 04:44:16 PM 1260 Views
Re: No Tor - 20/11/2012 04:48:36 PM 1230 Views
That depends... fionwe1987 - 20/11/2012 05:18:46 PM 1108 Views
Re: That depends... Tor - 20/11/2012 05:31:03 PM 1668 Views
You're integrating without lower limits... fionwe1987 - 20/11/2012 02:55:06 PM 1223 Views
Re: You're integrating without lower limits... Tor - 20/11/2012 04:37:57 PM 1276 Views
It matters. fionwe1987 - 20/11/2012 05:22:40 PM 1268 Views
We are not talking about a normal distribution in any case darius_sedai - 20/11/2012 04:44:24 AM 1064 Views
Re: We are not talking about a normal distribution in any case Tor - 20/11/2012 07:02:47 AM 1267 Views
You must tell me of this special math... fionwe1987 - 20/11/2012 03:10:09 PM 1144 Views
Re: You must tell me of this special math... Tor - 20/11/2012 04:29:40 PM 1213 Views
Morghase is a placeholder... fionwe1987 - 20/11/2012 04:45:42 PM 1299 Views
Re: Morghase is a placeholder... Tor - 20/11/2012 04:49:54 PM 1576 Views
Why? fionwe1987 - 20/11/2012 05:23:29 PM 1241 Views
Re: Why? Tor - 20/11/2012 05:36:45 PM 1541 Views
Well... Sidious - 18/11/2012 08:43:59 PM 1279 Views
Re: Well... DomA - 19/11/2012 03:40:44 PM 1257 Views
Wow. Shannow - 19/11/2012 03:53:47 PM 1271 Views
Re: Wow. DomA - 19/11/2012 04:26:09 PM 1303 Views
Some points Sidious - 19/11/2012 06:03:00 PM 1328 Views
Well then you're both wrong I'm afraid Sidious - 19/11/2012 06:09:36 PM 1205 Views
Re: Well then you're both wrong I'm afraid DomA - 19/11/2012 07:42:58 PM 1077 Views
this is why I think all of the Forsaken are very close in Power darius_sedai - 20/11/2012 04:51:20 AM 1277 Views
Agreed Sidious - 20/11/2012 08:13:37 AM 1340 Views
probably darius_sedai - 20/11/2012 06:18:45 PM 1168 Views
Re: this is why I think all of the Forsaken are very close in Power DomA - 20/11/2012 02:45:18 PM 1204 Views
I think RJ went out of his way to keep strength a bit of a mystery darius_sedai - 20/11/2012 08:42:44 PM 1248 Views
Indeed... DomA - 21/11/2012 05:44:18 PM 1159 Views
I agree darius_sedai - 22/11/2012 01:43:02 AM 1421 Views
Math gurus...Is it possible to find the missing variable... Lanfear - 21/11/2012 05:12:24 PM 1222 Views
the problem is that the Mean is not going to tell us much really darius_sedai - 22/11/2012 02:55:03 AM 1298 Views
Re: the problem is that the Mean is not going to tell us much really Lanfear - 22/11/2012 03:15:33 AM 1584 Views
I do not think you can calculate the Mean without knowing the Units of Power darius_sedai - 22/11/2012 03:53:59 AM 1357 Views
Re: Math gurus...Is it possible to find the missing variable... Tor - 23/11/2012 02:59:12 PM 1662 Views
Disregard this post *NM* Tor - 23/11/2012 03:02:24 PM 1034 Views
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