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Re: What about Mat and Ituralde? RugbyPlayingAshaman Send a noteboard - 02/10/2009 03:52:24 PM
I think Mat's campaign in Altara and Ituralde's campaign in Tarabon showed a lot of strategic insight. They were both campaign's were the end goal was not the immediate defeat of the enemy but to force the enemy to move in the direction the general wished.


I actually didn't say anything criticizing Mat or Ituralde. I actually think this is a situation where RJ really did follow that golden rule "show, don't tell" - we got an opportunity to see how they worked, so it works.

The Forsaken - not so much. We see them at the tea parties and when they are confronting, running away from or a combination of the two from Rand, Moiraine or Nynaeve. It's hard to understand someone's strategic strengths when they are destroyed in combat with a concentrated opponent.
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Are women really bad generals? Sidious - 01/10/2009 07:05:03 PM 1657 Views
I think that all we can conclude from this... Rand al'Thor - 01/10/2009 07:39:49 PM 944 Views
No. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 01/10/2009 07:41:35 PM 1110 Views
Or RJ just loves stacking ridiculously unfavourable odds against the male Forsaken generals... Shannow - 01/10/2009 08:40:47 PM 1180 Views
Lol... too true Sidious - 01/10/2009 09:32:29 PM 1110 Views
And you guys whine about the lameness of RJ's villains? fionwe1987 - 01/10/2009 09:41:54 PM 1187 Views
I still haven't seen proof of Demandred or Ishamael's "brilliance". RugbyPlayingAshaman - 01/10/2009 09:56:41 PM 916 Views
Ishamael's destroyed Civilization twice Rurouni_Kenshin - 02/10/2009 04:25:37 AM 896 Views
Re: Ishamael's destroyed Civilization twice RugbyPlayingAshaman - 02/10/2009 03:48:13 PM 808 Views
but you are difficult to please Sidious - 02/10/2009 05:10:13 AM 879 Views
Re: but you are difficult to please RugbyPlayingAshaman - 02/10/2009 03:46:56 PM 834 Views
Re: but you are difficult to please Sidious - 03/10/2009 06:17:21 AM 814 Views
But they are lame... they've done minimal damage to the Light Sidious - 02/10/2009 05:06:05 AM 819 Views
You can't have it both ways.... fionwe1987 - 02/10/2009 06:47:21 AM 910 Views
Why not? Sidious - 02/10/2009 08:45:35 AM 880 Views
Re: Why not? fionwe1987 - 02/10/2009 04:27:00 PM 798 Views
Re: Why not? Sidious - 03/10/2009 06:34:16 AM 880 Views
Re: Why not? fionwe1987 - 03/10/2009 07:40:16 AM 850 Views
Re: Why not? Sidious - 03/10/2009 05:07:51 PM 827 Views
Yeah Etzel - 01/10/2009 09:57:01 PM 903 Views
Re: Yeah nossy - 01/10/2009 10:40:28 PM 884 Views
I thought the same in the past... Etzel - 02/10/2009 07:01:18 AM 860 Views
Gah! Hate! nossy - 02/10/2009 04:11:49 PM 872 Views
Ah, come on... Etzel - 02/10/2009 04:41:37 PM 858 Views
No no, I was just being pouty that I haven't read the new stuff yet. nossy - 02/10/2009 05:01:15 PM 858 Views
Yeah, I can understand that! Etzel - 03/10/2009 12:23:25 PM 698 Views
Unless... Fanatic-Templar - 01/10/2009 10:49:55 PM 919 Views
Re: Unless... Sidious - 02/10/2009 05:07:14 AM 955 Views
Well, it's entirely hypothetical, Fanatic-Templar - 02/10/2009 06:31:32 AM 823 Views
Re: Or RJ just loves stacking ridiculously unfavourable odds against the male Forsaken generals... RugbyPlayingAshaman - 01/10/2009 09:51:30 PM 950 Views
What about Mat and Ituralde? Rurouni_Kenshin - 02/10/2009 04:28:49 AM 905 Views
Re: What about Mat and Ituralde? RugbyPlayingAshaman - 02/10/2009 03:52:24 PM 823 Views
Good points! Also, these "generals" haven't actually fielded any troops beetnemesis - 01/10/2009 11:23:40 PM 822 Views
Further... RugbyPlayingAshaman - 02/10/2009 12:14:44 AM 868 Views
But as individuals they are meant to be deadly too Sidious - 02/10/2009 05:09:21 AM 812 Views
Just one point ^_^ RugbyPlayingAshaman - 03/10/2009 12:51:50 AM 839 Views
Well, yeah. They're knowledgable and deadly in person. Generalship doesn't come into it. beetnemesis - 04/10/2009 12:09:50 AM 802 Views
nope nossy - 01/10/2009 08:06:57 PM 976 Views
Re: nope Sidious - 01/10/2009 09:32:38 PM 1052 Views
Tylee Kirgan, Birgitte, and one other, Egeanin NaClH2O - 01/10/2009 09:47:00 PM 1257 Views
Birgitte's not a soldier though. Darth_Katie - 01/10/2009 10:10:50 PM 841 Views
She says she's not, but so does Mat. nossy - 01/10/2009 10:34:04 PM 755 Views
Mat's not a soldier, either - he's a general RugbyPlayingAshaman - 01/10/2009 10:51:29 PM 895 Views
Right, which was what we were discussing at first. nossy - 02/10/2009 04:13:43 PM 827 Views
Yeah, I'm supporting your point about them both being generals RugbyPlayingAshaman - 02/10/2009 06:10:31 PM 863 Views
true, but she does pretty good NaClH2O - 02/10/2009 01:06:03 AM 904 Views
Oooh I forgot she's in charge of Elayne's lady guards. Darth_Katie - 02/10/2009 03:22:57 AM 780 Views
Egeanin or Leilwin nossy - 01/10/2009 10:35:53 PM 980 Views
A ship captain is like a calvary general NaClH2O - 02/10/2009 01:24:37 AM 840 Views
Right. Cannoli - 02/10/2009 01:36:59 AM 835 Views
Well said. (And its short and to the point.) RabidWombat - 02/10/2009 03:54:23 AM 964 Views
Birgitte is too cautious to be better than an adequate tactician. RabidWombat - 02/10/2009 04:22:45 AM 884 Views
Isn't this more of an outgrowth or her respective specialty? RugbyPlayingAshaman - 07/10/2009 08:40:46 PM 801 Views
My opinion Cannoli - 02/10/2009 01:30:12 AM 1279 Views
That's a poor excuse rAndy aL - 02/10/2009 11:59:42 AM 785 Views
That's a poor argument Cannoli - 02/10/2009 04:02:53 PM 1047 Views
Re: That's a poor argument rAndy aL - 03/10/2009 04:26:55 AM 859 Views
I disagree nossy - 02/10/2009 04:26:28 PM 862 Views
Re: I disagree Cannoli - 02/10/2009 08:31:29 PM 1109 Views
Oh, puh-lease. nossy - 02/10/2009 09:09:30 PM 1024 Views
Re: Oh, puh-lease. Cannoli - 03/10/2009 04:52:37 PM 853 Views
Re: Oh, puh-lease. NaClH2O - 03/10/2009 08:26:27 PM 751 Views
Re: Oh, puh-lease. nossy - 05/10/2009 05:08:27 PM 3328 Views
I always know I've out-argued an idiot when they fall back on the tired old "RJ wanted it that way" Cannoli - 06/10/2009 04:42:11 AM 917 Views
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um nossy - 08/10/2009 07:36:52 PM 1150 Views
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Men and football. nossy - 05/10/2009 04:49:35 PM 884 Views
She didn't kill anyone! Why SHOULD she feel guilty? She gave necessary orders. Cannoli - 06/10/2009 03:33:15 AM 952 Views
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