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Re: What about Mat and Ituralde? RugbyPlayingAshaman Send a noteboard - 02/10/2009 03:52:24 PM
I think Mat's campaign in Altara and Ituralde's campaign in Tarabon showed a lot of strategic insight. They were both campaign's were the end goal was not the immediate defeat of the enemy but to force the enemy to move in the direction the general wished.


I actually didn't say anything criticizing Mat or Ituralde. I actually think this is a situation where RJ really did follow that golden rule "show, don't tell" - we got an opportunity to see how they worked, so it works.

The Forsaken - not so much. We see them at the tea parties and when they are confronting, running away from or a combination of the two from Rand, Moiraine or Nynaeve. It's hard to understand someone's strategic strengths when they are destroyed in combat with a concentrated opponent.
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Are women really bad generals? Sidious - 01/10/2009 07:05:03 PM 1600 Views
I think that all we can conclude from this... Rand al'Thor - 01/10/2009 07:39:49 PM 889 Views
No. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 01/10/2009 07:41:35 PM 1052 Views
Or RJ just loves stacking ridiculously unfavourable odds against the male Forsaken generals... Shannow - 01/10/2009 08:40:47 PM 1125 Views
Lol... too true Sidious - 01/10/2009 09:32:29 PM 1052 Views
And you guys whine about the lameness of RJ's villains? fionwe1987 - 01/10/2009 09:41:54 PM 1068 Views
I still haven't seen proof of Demandred or Ishamael's "brilliance". RugbyPlayingAshaman - 01/10/2009 09:56:41 PM 857 Views
Ishamael's destroyed Civilization twice Rurouni_Kenshin - 02/10/2009 04:25:37 AM 836 Views
Re: Ishamael's destroyed Civilization twice RugbyPlayingAshaman - 02/10/2009 03:48:13 PM 757 Views
but you are difficult to please Sidious - 02/10/2009 05:10:13 AM 812 Views
Re: but you are difficult to please RugbyPlayingAshaman - 02/10/2009 03:46:56 PM 769 Views
Re: but you are difficult to please Sidious - 03/10/2009 06:17:21 AM 757 Views
But they are lame... they've done minimal damage to the Light Sidious - 02/10/2009 05:06:05 AM 757 Views
You can't have it both ways.... fionwe1987 - 02/10/2009 06:47:21 AM 849 Views
Why not? Sidious - 02/10/2009 08:45:35 AM 814 Views
Re: Why not? fionwe1987 - 02/10/2009 04:27:00 PM 729 Views
Re: Why not? Sidious - 03/10/2009 06:34:16 AM 825 Views
Re: Why not? fionwe1987 - 03/10/2009 07:40:16 AM 770 Views
Re: Why not? Sidious - 03/10/2009 05:07:51 PM 741 Views
Yeah Etzel - 01/10/2009 09:57:01 PM 845 Views
Re: Yeah nossy - 01/10/2009 10:40:28 PM 828 Views
I thought the same in the past... Etzel - 02/10/2009 07:01:18 AM 799 Views
Gah! Hate! nossy - 02/10/2009 04:11:49 PM 810 Views
Ah, come on... Etzel - 02/10/2009 04:41:37 PM 800 Views
No no, I was just being pouty that I haven't read the new stuff yet. nossy - 02/10/2009 05:01:15 PM 801 Views
Yeah, I can understand that! Etzel - 03/10/2009 12:23:25 PM 651 Views
Unless... Fanatic-Templar - 01/10/2009 10:49:55 PM 853 Views
Re: Unless... Sidious - 02/10/2009 05:07:14 AM 891 Views
Well, it's entirely hypothetical, Fanatic-Templar - 02/10/2009 06:31:32 AM 769 Views
Re: Or RJ just loves stacking ridiculously unfavourable odds against the male Forsaken generals... RugbyPlayingAshaman - 01/10/2009 09:51:30 PM 887 Views
What about Mat and Ituralde? Rurouni_Kenshin - 02/10/2009 04:28:49 AM 843 Views
Re: What about Mat and Ituralde? RugbyPlayingAshaman - 02/10/2009 03:52:24 PM 767 Views
Good points! Also, these "generals" haven't actually fielded any troops beetnemesis - 01/10/2009 11:23:40 PM 769 Views
Further... RugbyPlayingAshaman - 02/10/2009 12:14:44 AM 800 Views
But as individuals they are meant to be deadly too Sidious - 02/10/2009 05:09:21 AM 754 Views
Just one point ^_^ RugbyPlayingAshaman - 03/10/2009 12:51:50 AM 779 Views
Well, yeah. They're knowledgable and deadly in person. Generalship doesn't come into it. beetnemesis - 04/10/2009 12:09:50 AM 739 Views
nope nossy - 01/10/2009 08:06:57 PM 901 Views
Re: nope Sidious - 01/10/2009 09:32:38 PM 991 Views
Tylee Kirgan, Birgitte, and one other, Egeanin NaClH2O - 01/10/2009 09:47:00 PM 1196 Views
Birgitte's not a soldier though. Darth_Katie - 01/10/2009 10:10:50 PM 784 Views
She says she's not, but so does Mat. nossy - 01/10/2009 10:34:04 PM 695 Views
Mat's not a soldier, either - he's a general RugbyPlayingAshaman - 01/10/2009 10:51:29 PM 842 Views
Right, which was what we were discussing at first. nossy - 02/10/2009 04:13:43 PM 773 Views
Yeah, I'm supporting your point about them both being generals RugbyPlayingAshaman - 02/10/2009 06:10:31 PM 790 Views
true, but she does pretty good NaClH2O - 02/10/2009 01:06:03 AM 836 Views
Oooh I forgot she's in charge of Elayne's lady guards. Darth_Katie - 02/10/2009 03:22:57 AM 716 Views
Egeanin or Leilwin nossy - 01/10/2009 10:35:53 PM 917 Views
A ship captain is like a calvary general NaClH2O - 02/10/2009 01:24:37 AM 772 Views
Right. Cannoli - 02/10/2009 01:36:59 AM 774 Views
Well said. (And its short and to the point.) RabidWombat - 02/10/2009 03:54:23 AM 900 Views
Birgitte is too cautious to be better than an adequate tactician. RabidWombat - 02/10/2009 04:22:45 AM 811 Views
Isn't this more of an outgrowth or her respective specialty? RugbyPlayingAshaman - 07/10/2009 08:40:46 PM 746 Views
My opinion Cannoli - 02/10/2009 01:30:12 AM 1208 Views
That's a poor excuse rAndy aL - 02/10/2009 11:59:42 AM 724 Views
That's a poor argument Cannoli - 02/10/2009 04:02:53 PM 980 Views
Re: That's a poor argument rAndy aL - 03/10/2009 04:26:55 AM 806 Views
I disagree nossy - 02/10/2009 04:26:28 PM 809 Views
Re: I disagree Cannoli - 02/10/2009 08:31:29 PM 1039 Views
Oh, puh-lease. nossy - 02/10/2009 09:09:30 PM 967 Views
Re: Oh, puh-lease. Cannoli - 03/10/2009 04:52:37 PM 791 Views
Re: Oh, puh-lease. NaClH2O - 03/10/2009 08:26:27 PM 683 Views
Re: Oh, puh-lease. nossy - 05/10/2009 05:08:27 PM 3259 Views
I always know I've out-argued an idiot when they fall back on the tired old "RJ wanted it that way" Cannoli - 06/10/2009 04:42:11 AM 855 Views
And I can tell you're through when you've gotten to three+ insults per paragraph. nossy - 06/10/2009 05:46:24 PM 937 Views
um nossy - 08/10/2009 07:36:52 PM 1085 Views
Monday morning quarterbacking at its worst RabidWombat - 04/10/2009 07:28:36 AM 903 Views
Men and football. nossy - 05/10/2009 04:49:35 PM 823 Views
She didn't kill anyone! Why SHOULD she feel guilty? She gave necessary orders. Cannoli - 06/10/2009 03:33:15 AM 895 Views
It's the only thing men are allowed to do in Randland CupofDice - 02/10/2009 03:09:19 AM 816 Views
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