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She is dead to me! Sandwich Send a noteboard - 20/11/2009 12:25:42 AM
I was looking at the post the other day about the relative strength of female forsaken compared to Nynaeve and I remember wondering why Semirhage still showed up on the list. With that as with this post, Semirhage is now irrelevant to me. I've liked the story all along as I've read it, but at this point I only care about the present and whatever the future might be.

Someone here said that the balefiring was irrelevant after the spanking. For me it's the opposite. The spanking is irrelevant due to the balefiring. She's done! And she ain't comin' back. In my mind her relative power strength now, for example, doesn't matter because she's not going to be doing anything else with it. And the fact that she got spanked before she died doesn't matter to me since she got zapped out of the pattern. Haven't thought about Be'lal or Rahvin since they bought it either. Moghedien was captured and temporarily humbled too, but that didn't bother me either. She escaped and, had she not become somebody's beeyotch in short order, would have been right back up to her old tricks, her humbling made irrelevant except for giving her a revenge motive. When Semi was freed, it wiped out the humbling for me, and when she was killed, it wiped it all out.

As for the scene itself, at the time I read it, I liked it. She was a puzzle for Cadsuane and there really was no way she was going to be broken by threats or pain or coercion, not by anyone. I was certain she'd be freed - Rand's no killing women rule was way too foreshadowy to not lead to another escape. She thought herself invulnerable, but everybody's got some kind of achilles heel and I liked that Cadsuane figured hers out, and that she never could have imagined being beaten like that. I will say that I felt she gave in rather quickly and started lapping up those beans unrealistically soon. But in terms of the outcome, I was fine with it. Each of the forsaken could be beaten by their weaknesses in some way and it's interesting to think about how to beat each.

But that quickly became irrelevant when the shadow once again freed a captive forsaken from the hapless good guys who didn't know what they were dealing with. She once again became a lethal loose cannon and almost enslaved our boy. But Shazam! Bye bye! I liked her sense of having been... wait for it... forsaken by the DO right there at the end. Won't try that again, will you, smartypants!

With all of that said, I understand what it's like to be annoyed at how a given plot thread gets resolved. I felt that way about Masema and Aram. I was like, "Wait...WHAT?! That's IT?! Boooo!" Semirhage's actual death was nice and dramatic and pivotal for the story (forcing Rand to channel the TP), enough to make the spanking a nonissue for me even if I hadn't liked it, but I hear you. It's like if Fain just decides to retire to a nice cottage somewhere in the Murandy countryside and sends Rand and Mat a no-hard-feelings-let's-have-tea-sometime letter. "Hey wait...!"
This message last edited by Sandwich on 20/11/2009 at 12:33:26 AM
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Semirhage vs Cadsuane - in Sanderson's words... - 19/11/2009 09:58:19 PM 3361 Views
The two of you are pathetic - 19/11/2009 10:09:34 PM 1823 Views
Your problem is... - 19/11/2009 10:21:40 PM 1768 Views
Well said. It takes something away from the story. *NM* - 19/11/2009 10:34:41 PM 818 Views
No. - 20/11/2009 08:15:32 AM 1540 Views
And now he's not "blind" anymore - 20/11/2009 08:20:56 AM 1442 Views
*Cough* MoridinDemandredTaim *Cough* *NM* - 21/11/2009 06:16:14 PM 684 Views
*cough* philosopherguywhosdonenothingcrazyperson *cough* - 22/11/2009 05:19:20 PM 1561 Views
Well said. Compare her to, say, Mogheidan. - 20/11/2009 08:17:57 AM 1502 Views
True to a degree - 20/11/2009 08:26:20 AM 1442 Views
There's a little more to it as well - 20/11/2009 08:51:03 AM 1394 Views
You know, I agree - 19/11/2009 11:12:49 PM 1534 Views
But she gave us a clue as to how she might be broken. - 20/11/2009 08:17:04 AM 1340 Views
I would love to see tSR and tFoH from Moiraine's perspective - 20/11/2009 08:22:55 AM 1310 Views
I imagine it took A LOT of frustration and anger management. *NM* - 20/11/2009 08:27:13 AM 743 Views
I don't think Moiraine became meek at all - 20/11/2009 11:06:05 AM 1327 Views
That's what I meant, actually - 21/11/2009 03:44:26 AM 1330 Views
I don't think Rand will do it, though - 20/11/2009 11:10:27 AM 1270 Views
Re: You know, I agree - 09/05/2010 09:08:58 PM 1448 Views
I agree with Cannoli completely. (Did I just say that?) - 19/11/2009 11:18:09 PM 1536 Views
And I agree with Rand al'Thor. - 19/11/2009 11:35:55 PM 1386 Views
And I agree with Fanatic-Templar. - 20/11/2009 10:40:26 PM 1406 Views
Ditto *NM* - 21/06/2010 01:15:04 PM 656 Views
I didn't like it for the same reason I don't like the Aes Sedai much anymore - 20/11/2009 07:40:31 AM 1421 Views
And also - 20/11/2009 11:08:39 AM 1381 Views
Actually, it did, but it didn't care about him at all. - 20/11/2009 10:21:02 PM 1248 Views
Re: The two of you are pathetic - 08/05/2010 12:05:51 AM 1408 Views
personally, I loved the scene - 19/11/2009 10:10:44 PM 1565 Views
Agreed. I thought it worked. *NM* - 19/11/2009 10:40:04 PM 725 Views
Are you feeling all right? If you are, Cannoli is right, and you're pathetic. - 19/11/2009 10:18:54 PM 1478 Views
See my response to Cannoli. *NM* - 19/11/2009 10:25:15 PM 769 Views
That was barely a response... - 20/11/2009 12:43:07 AM 1364 Views
There's always more than one way for a story to "logically" progress - 20/11/2009 08:07:44 AM 1363 Views
Re: That was barely a response... - 08/05/2010 12:24:55 AM 1428 Views
Evil IS cool! This is storytelling, not a morality play. - 20/11/2009 08:01:17 AM 1382 Views
On the other hand - 20/11/2009 11:13:54 AM 1359 Views
Re: Evil IS cool! This is storytelling, not a morality play. - 20/11/2009 10:50:07 PM 1317 Views
Yeah, Semi never got much screentime - 21/11/2009 03:47:27 AM 1400 Views
Re: Yeah, Semi never got much screentime - 21/11/2009 04:09:26 AM 1338 Views
Re: Evil IS cool! This is storytelling, not a morality play. - 08/05/2010 01:17:07 AM 1393 Views
Oh, they're quite good at killing people. - 08/05/2010 06:47:35 AM 1324 Views
Re: Oh, they're quite good at killing people. - 09/05/2010 06:09:38 PM 1407 Views
Actually, it's why they're still alive. - 09/05/2010 06:32:22 PM 1244 Views
Re: Actually, it's why they're still alive. - 21/06/2010 01:15:19 AM 1277 Views
Re: Actually, it's why they're still alive. - 21/06/2010 01:32:25 AM 1382 Views
Are they? Why are Mat, Perrin and the Wondergirls still alive? - 13/05/2010 12:47:57 AM 1288 Views
Nobody's even tried to kill them since Ishamael died, until he gave the order again in KoD. - 13/05/2010 01:13:02 AM 1263 Views
It'd be harder to kill them now as they have come into their own power - 21/06/2010 01:18:31 AM 1237 Views
... - 21/06/2010 01:34:51 AM 1358 Views
If they're good at killing people - 06/07/2010 10:00:41 PM 1144 Views
I loved that scene - it's actually dog-eared because it's one of my favorites. - 19/11/2009 10:37:33 PM 1431 Views
exactly *NM* - 19/11/2009 11:06:48 PM 723 Views
Really liked her complaints about the food - 20/11/2009 10:42:57 PM 1378 Views
I'd love to see Mat spanking Caddy as he did Joline - 19/11/2009 10:48:21 PM 1466 Views
I'd like to see that too . - 19/11/2009 11:40:26 PM 1307 Views
I actually think Mat needs a spanking. *NM* - 20/11/2009 10:23:46 PM 715 Views
I had no problem with the spanking... - 19/11/2009 11:07:07 PM 1495 Views
Best news I've heard all day *NM* - 19/11/2009 11:09:49 PM 821 Views
Actually... what happened to Semirhage was BEAUTIFUL. - 19/11/2009 11:28:29 PM 1592 Views
I agree with your second half - 20/11/2009 08:27:07 AM 1285 Views
The Forsaken aren't lame, they just aren't that special - 20/11/2009 12:30:51 PM 1313 Views
Their lack of special-ness has made them become lame villians - 21/11/2009 03:50:50 AM 1320 Views
She is dead to me! - 20/11/2009 12:25:42 AM 1232 Views
I agree with Cannoli and Fionwe's on the best way to handle Semirhage - 20/11/2009 04:17:41 AM 1243 Views
Book 14 you think - 20/11/2009 04:55:29 AM 1297 Views
So would you enjoy seeing Moridin pulled over Cadsuane's knee and spanked? - 20/11/2009 07:48:45 AM 1391 Views
You're upset about the spanking and have missed the reason for it. - 20/11/2009 03:05:50 PM 1424 Views
Don't avoid the question... - 20/11/2009 03:27:23 PM 1353 Views
I'm not avoiding anything, just pointing out how silly this post is - 20/11/2009 04:50:17 PM 1355 Views
Hehe... - 20/11/2009 05:25:56 PM 1374 Views
Re: Hehe... - 21/11/2009 10:44:06 AM 1376 Views
- 20/11/2009 10:36:36 PM 1242 Views
Hey now... imagine how Balthamel's fans feel - 21/11/2009 02:21:48 AM 1316 Views
I think Aginor was the worst. - 21/11/2009 04:10:51 AM 1277 Views
Re: - 21/11/2009 10:26:53 AM 1380 Views
The thing that bothers me is that you're right - 20/11/2009 08:10:44 AM 1302 Views
Except that Demandred is the one Darksider who knows about Elayne - 21/11/2009 06:30:26 PM 1382 Views
Re: Except that Demandred is the one Darksider who knows about Elayne - 22/11/2009 10:13:44 AM 1632 Views
He was dispatched 'fairly easily' because he was betrayed by Moridin . - 22/11/2009 08:09:38 PM 1223 Views
because thats what sadists are! - 20/11/2009 04:03:31 PM 1646 Views
How many people - 08/05/2010 12:30:17 AM 1344 Views
At least two. - 10/05/2010 02:10:31 PM 1148 Views
Re: At least two. - 21/06/2010 01:24:53 AM 1477 Views
Shame has traditionally been one of the greatest ways of enforcing public order - 21/06/2010 02:55:54 AM 1309 Views
Re: Semirhage vs Cadsuane - in Sanderson's words... - 29/06/2010 10:29:51 PM 1515 Views
Cadsuane was brilliant in that scene. - 02/07/2010 12:41:06 AM 1340 Views

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