Moridin is far more evil than Semirhage. Semirhage likes torturing individuals. Moridin want's to kill all of humanity.
Would it give you satisfaction to see Cadsuane put pigtails in his hair, dress him in a nappy and slap his bottom because he was such a naughty boy?
My point is, evil should lose yes, but it should not be ridiculed. Else the story loses its suspense.
Semirhage being balefired is good. Semirhage being spanked like a little girl is a farce.
Would it give you satisfaction to see Cadsuane put pigtails in his hair, dress him in a nappy and slap his bottom because he was such a naughty boy?
My point is, evil should lose yes, but it should not be ridiculed. Else the story loses its suspense.
Semirhage being balefired is good. Semirhage being spanked like a little girl is a farce.
There are some themes in the book, and this one was pretty obvious. It's made clear over the course of several chapters that Semirhage cannot be broken or intimidated, and even from her own PoV she says that she was ready for hot coals and other torture and even looking forward to it. This was the dilemma posed to Cadsuane, who needed information from her. Cadsuane also found herself wondering about how similar she is to Semirhage.
Therefore, when Cadsuane figured out that losing her status as a legendary Aes Sedai was the worst nightmare she could experience, she applied it to Semirhage, who is extremely proud of her evil reputation. Therefore humiliation broke this legendary Forsaken. It even reduced her to tears.
It's therefore illogical to say that it would be offensive to see Moridin in pigtails. It's not about Cadsuane or Robert Jordan finding ways to humiliate the Shadow. It's about people trying to find ways to break the unbreakable. Rand had the same problem with Graendal - he couldn't find out how to destroy a sneaky woman who was more intelligent than him, and so he commited a mass atrocity.
This is why I am convinced Demandred is next - because where there is a source of intense hatred, it is easy to bait. Moghedien will once again be lured by revenge against Nynaeve and Cyndane against Rand. All the Forsaken have weaknesses, and that was Semirhage's.
I ask again. Would you enjoy reading a scene where Moridin is completely ridiculed? Let's say his trousers get pulled off and Cadsuane takes her slipper off and spanks his naked bottom until his cheeks are nice and red.
Just answer the question. Would you enjoy that?
I know why you avoid it. Your favourite Forsaken went out in a blaze of glory. Comparatively speaking at least, compared to Semirhage's humiliation.
So now that her story arch has ended, it is easy for you to read about the other Forsaken coming to more humiliating ends. In fact, it is actually PREFERABLE for you to see that, since that makes Lanfear's end all the more spectacular.
My point is merely that all the thematic references and lectures about symbolism sound nice and grand, but they cannot paint over what really motivates us readers.
Emotional gratification! Or what do you think, "Fan of Lanfear"?
This message last edited by Shannow on 20/11/2009 at 03:31:43 PM
Semirhage vs Cadsuane - in Sanderson's words...
- 19/11/2009 09:58:19 PM
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The two of you are pathetic
- 19/11/2009 10:09:34 PM
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Your problem is...
- 19/11/2009 10:21:40 PM
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No.
- 20/11/2009 08:15:32 AM
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And now he's not "blind" anymore
- 20/11/2009 08:20:56 AM
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You know, I agree
- 19/11/2009 11:12:49 PM
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But she gave us a clue as to how she might be broken.
- 20/11/2009 08:17:04 AM
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I would love to see tSR and tFoH from Moiraine's perspective
- 20/11/2009 08:22:55 AM
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I imagine it took A LOT of frustration and anger management. *NM*
- 20/11/2009 08:27:13 AM
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I agree with Cannoli completely. (Did I just say that?)
- 19/11/2009 11:18:09 PM
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And I agree with Rand al'Thor.
- 19/11/2009 11:35:55 PM
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I didn't like it for the same reason I don't like the Aes Sedai much anymore
- 20/11/2009 07:40:31 AM
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WoT isn't pure fantasy - it's humans within a fantasy world
- 20/11/2009 08:20:23 AM
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Oh, totally- but humans can act in more than one way. "Real" humans can be terrifying, too!
- 20/11/2009 08:33:53 AM
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I'm pretty sure that AS are meant to be a parable for the government...
- 21/11/2009 06:20:14 PM
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Re: I didn't like it for the same reason I don't like the Aes Sedai much anymore
- 08/05/2010 12:46:31 AM
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Are you feeling all right? If you are, Cannoli is right, and you're pathetic.
- 19/11/2009 10:18:54 PM
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See my response to Cannoli. *NM*
- 19/11/2009 10:25:15 PM
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That was barely a response...
- 20/11/2009 12:43:07 AM
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There's always more than one way for a story to "logically" progress
- 20/11/2009 08:07:44 AM
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Evil IS cool! This is storytelling, not a morality play.
- 20/11/2009 08:01:17 AM
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Re: Evil IS cool! This is storytelling, not a morality play.
- 20/11/2009 10:50:07 PM
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Re: Evil IS cool! This is storytelling, not a morality play.
- 08/05/2010 01:17:07 AM
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Oh, they're quite good at killing people.
- 08/05/2010 06:47:35 AM
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Re: Oh, they're quite good at killing people.
- 09/05/2010 06:09:38 PM
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Actually, it's why they're still alive.
- 09/05/2010 06:32:22 PM
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Are they? Why are Mat, Perrin and the Wondergirls still alive?
- 13/05/2010 12:47:57 AM
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Nobody's even tried to kill them since Ishamael died, until he gave the order again in KoD.
- 13/05/2010 01:13:02 AM
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It'd be harder to kill them now as they have come into their own power
- 21/06/2010 01:18:31 AM
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I loved that scene - it's actually dog-eared because it's one of my favorites.
- 19/11/2009 10:37:33 PM
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Actually... what happened to Semirhage was BEAUTIFUL.
- 19/11/2009 11:28:29 PM
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I agree with your second half
- 20/11/2009 08:27:07 AM
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I agree with Cannoli and Fionwe's on the best way to handle Semirhage
- 20/11/2009 04:17:41 AM
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So would you enjoy seeing Moridin pulled over Cadsuane's knee and spanked?
- 20/11/2009 07:48:45 AM
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You're upset about the spanking and have missed the reason for it.
- 20/11/2009 03:05:50 PM
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Don't avoid the question...
- 20/11/2009 03:27:23 PM
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- 20/11/2009 10:36:36 PM
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I'm not avoiding anything, just pointing out how silly this post is
- 20/11/2009 04:50:17 PM
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Re: I'm not avoiding anything, just pointing out how silly this post is
- 08/05/2010 01:07:13 AM
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- 20/11/2009 10:36:36 PM
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Re: You're upset about the spanking and have missed the reason for it.
- 08/05/2010 12:58:52 AM
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Except that Demandred is the one Darksider who knows about Elayne
- 21/11/2009 06:30:26 PM
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Re: Except that Demandred is the one Darksider who knows about Elayne
- 22/11/2009 10:13:44 AM
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He was dispatched 'fairly easily' because he was betrayed by Moridin
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- 22/11/2009 08:09:38 PM
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- 22/11/2009 08:09:38 PM
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I think it was an excellent look at just how pathetic most of the Forsaken are and why they sold out
- 20/11/2009 04:21:36 AM
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The weird thing is, (or maybe not so weird), that I feel like she suffered the same way in tGS
- 20/11/2009 08:36:45 AM
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Re: I think it was an excellent look at just how pathetic most of the Forsaken are and
- 08/05/2010 12:13:20 AM
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How many people
- 08/05/2010 12:30:17 AM
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At least two.
- 10/05/2010 02:10:31 PM
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Re: At least two.
- 21/06/2010 01:24:53 AM
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Shame has traditionally been one of the greatest ways of enforcing public order
- 21/06/2010 02:55:54 AM
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