Looks like I touched a nerve there.
Just to correct you. I have definitely not contended that Semirhage's humiliation is a new approach to the Forsaken. Sadly, it is not. Instead, it merely takes an existing trend to a greater and unprecedented height.
Personally I find it a poor way to maintain suspense in the story. And I find it interesting that the new author who is completing this series seems to share my distaste at the effect such a scene has on the building tension.
Is Hannibal Lecter a better person than Semirhage? No, they seem to be carbon copies of one another.
Now, imagine Silence of the Lambs if Hannibal is totally ridiculed by Clarice's maiden aunt, who takes to his bottom with a slipper and makes him cry in humiliation.
I can give countless examples, from countless suspense novels and movies of where such a scene would have destroyed the suspense.
In any case, I'm not trying to convince you. But I am trying to point out that you're WRONG.
Personally, a scene where Semirhage looks on in horror as Alivia blasts her arm off at the elbow, before Min plunges a dagger into her spleen, and Narishma blows her legs off with an exploding flesh weave, would have been far more dramatic, and an equally just end for this "monster" of a Forsaken.
The spanking, in contrast, just had me blinking in surprise and checking the book's cover to make sure I wasn't reading some comedic rip-off of the series.
Despite what you and others claim, I think we were poorly prepared for this scene. Semirhage has NEVER been portrayed as someone who cares in the least what others think of her. She is a somewhat deranged loner who dwells in her own fantasy world, and cares solely for the pleasure of torturing people.
She is no coward, and dispassionately isolates her own feelings of fear for later examination and analysis. If anything, she has seemed to go through life oblivious of what other people think, focused only on her own, unique obsessions and pleasures.
The Cadsuane scene came out of nowhere, and the explanation behind Semirhage's sudden collapse into tears left much to be desired. The Semirhage in the spanking scene did not add up to the Semirhage we have seen throughout the rest of the series.
What one would have expected to see in this scene, was Semirhage calmly saying to Cadsuane:
"Someone once tried to lay a hand on me before, girl. I ate her liver with a nice Chianti and some fava beans."
Just to correct you. I have definitely not contended that Semirhage's humiliation is a new approach to the Forsaken. Sadly, it is not. Instead, it merely takes an existing trend to a greater and unprecedented height.
Personally I find it a poor way to maintain suspense in the story. And I find it interesting that the new author who is completing this series seems to share my distaste at the effect such a scene has on the building tension.
Is Hannibal Lecter a better person than Semirhage? No, they seem to be carbon copies of one another.
Now, imagine Silence of the Lambs if Hannibal is totally ridiculed by Clarice's maiden aunt, who takes to his bottom with a slipper and makes him cry in humiliation.
I can give countless examples, from countless suspense novels and movies of where such a scene would have destroyed the suspense.
In any case, I'm not trying to convince you. But I am trying to point out that you're WRONG.
Personally, a scene where Semirhage looks on in horror as Alivia blasts her arm off at the elbow, before Min plunges a dagger into her spleen, and Narishma blows her legs off with an exploding flesh weave, would have been far more dramatic, and an equally just end for this "monster" of a Forsaken.
The spanking, in contrast, just had me blinking in surprise and checking the book's cover to make sure I wasn't reading some comedic rip-off of the series.
Despite what you and others claim, I think we were poorly prepared for this scene. Semirhage has NEVER been portrayed as someone who cares in the least what others think of her. She is a somewhat deranged loner who dwells in her own fantasy world, and cares solely for the pleasure of torturing people.
She is no coward, and dispassionately isolates her own feelings of fear for later examination and analysis. If anything, she has seemed to go through life oblivious of what other people think, focused only on her own, unique obsessions and pleasures.
The Cadsuane scene came out of nowhere, and the explanation behind Semirhage's sudden collapse into tears left much to be desired. The Semirhage in the spanking scene did not add up to the Semirhage we have seen throughout the rest of the series.
What one would have expected to see in this scene, was Semirhage calmly saying to Cadsuane:
"Someone once tried to lay a hand on me before, girl. I ate her liver with a nice Chianti and some fava beans."
Semirhage vs Cadsuane - in Sanderson's words...
- 19/11/2009 09:58:19 PM
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The two of you are pathetic
- 19/11/2009 10:09:34 PM
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Your problem is...
- 19/11/2009 10:21:40 PM
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No.
- 20/11/2009 08:15:32 AM
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And now he's not "blind" anymore
- 20/11/2009 08:20:56 AM
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You know, I agree
- 19/11/2009 11:12:49 PM
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But she gave us a clue as to how she might be broken.
- 20/11/2009 08:17:04 AM
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I would love to see tSR and tFoH from Moiraine's perspective
- 20/11/2009 08:22:55 AM
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I imagine it took A LOT of frustration and anger management. *NM*
- 20/11/2009 08:27:13 AM
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I agree with Cannoli completely. (Did I just say that?)
- 19/11/2009 11:18:09 PM
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And I agree with Rand al'Thor.
- 19/11/2009 11:35:55 PM
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I didn't like it for the same reason I don't like the Aes Sedai much anymore
- 20/11/2009 07:40:31 AM
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WoT isn't pure fantasy - it's humans within a fantasy world
- 20/11/2009 08:20:23 AM
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Oh, totally- but humans can act in more than one way. "Real" humans can be terrifying, too!
- 20/11/2009 08:33:53 AM
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I'm pretty sure that AS are meant to be a parable for the government...
- 21/11/2009 06:20:14 PM
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Re: I didn't like it for the same reason I don't like the Aes Sedai much anymore
- 08/05/2010 12:46:31 AM
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Are you feeling all right? If you are, Cannoli is right, and you're pathetic.
- 19/11/2009 10:18:54 PM
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See my response to Cannoli. *NM*
- 19/11/2009 10:25:15 PM
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That was barely a response...
- 20/11/2009 12:43:07 AM
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There's always more than one way for a story to "logically" progress
- 20/11/2009 08:07:44 AM
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Evil IS cool! This is storytelling, not a morality play.
- 20/11/2009 08:01:17 AM
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Re: Evil IS cool! This is storytelling, not a morality play.
- 20/11/2009 10:50:07 PM
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Re: Evil IS cool! This is storytelling, not a morality play.
- 08/05/2010 01:17:07 AM
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Oh, they're quite good at killing people.
- 08/05/2010 06:47:35 AM
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Re: Oh, they're quite good at killing people.
- 09/05/2010 06:09:38 PM
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Actually, it's why they're still alive.
- 09/05/2010 06:32:22 PM
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Are they? Why are Mat, Perrin and the Wondergirls still alive?
- 13/05/2010 12:47:57 AM
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Nobody's even tried to kill them since Ishamael died, until he gave the order again in KoD.
- 13/05/2010 01:13:02 AM
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It'd be harder to kill them now as they have come into their own power
- 21/06/2010 01:18:31 AM
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I loved that scene - it's actually dog-eared because it's one of my favorites.
- 19/11/2009 10:37:33 PM
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Actually... what happened to Semirhage was BEAUTIFUL.
- 19/11/2009 11:28:29 PM
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I agree with your second half
- 20/11/2009 08:27:07 AM
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I agree with Cannoli and Fionwe's on the best way to handle Semirhage
- 20/11/2009 04:17:41 AM
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So would you enjoy seeing Moridin pulled over Cadsuane's knee and spanked?
- 20/11/2009 07:48:45 AM
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You're upset about the spanking and have missed the reason for it.
- 20/11/2009 03:05:50 PM
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Don't avoid the question...
- 20/11/2009 03:27:23 PM
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- 20/11/2009 10:36:36 PM
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I'm not avoiding anything, just pointing out how silly this post is
- 20/11/2009 04:50:17 PM
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Re: I'm not avoiding anything, just pointing out how silly this post is
- 08/05/2010 01:07:13 AM
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- 20/11/2009 10:36:36 PM
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Re: You're upset about the spanking and have missed the reason for it.
- 08/05/2010 12:58:52 AM
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Except that Demandred is the one Darksider who knows about Elayne
- 21/11/2009 06:30:26 PM
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Re: Except that Demandred is the one Darksider who knows about Elayne
- 22/11/2009 10:13:44 AM
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He was dispatched 'fairly easily' because he was betrayed by Moridin
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- 22/11/2009 08:09:38 PM
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.
- 22/11/2009 08:09:38 PM
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I think it was an excellent look at just how pathetic most of the Forsaken are and why they sold out
- 20/11/2009 04:21:36 AM
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The weird thing is, (or maybe not so weird), that I feel like she suffered the same way in tGS
- 20/11/2009 08:36:45 AM
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Re: I think it was an excellent look at just how pathetic most of the Forsaken are and
- 08/05/2010 12:13:20 AM
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How many people
- 08/05/2010 12:30:17 AM
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At least two.
- 10/05/2010 02:10:31 PM
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Re: At least two.
- 21/06/2010 01:24:53 AM
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Shame has traditionally been one of the greatest ways of enforcing public order
- 21/06/2010 02:55:54 AM
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