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Hehe... Shannow Send a noteboard - 20/11/2009 05:25:56 PM
Looks like I touched a nerve there.

Just to correct you. I have definitely not contended that Semirhage's humiliation is a new approach to the Forsaken. Sadly, it is not. Instead, it merely takes an existing trend to a greater and unprecedented height.


Personally I find it a poor way to maintain suspense in the story. And I find it interesting that the new author who is completing this series seems to share my distaste at the effect such a scene has on the building tension.

Is Hannibal Lecter a better person than Semirhage? No, they seem to be carbon copies of one another.

Now, imagine Silence of the Lambs if Hannibal is totally ridiculed by Clarice's maiden aunt, who takes to his bottom with a slipper and makes him cry in humiliation.

I can give countless examples, from countless suspense novels and movies of where such a scene would have destroyed the suspense.

In any case, I'm not trying to convince you. But I am trying to point out that you're WRONG.

Personally, a scene where Semirhage looks on in horror as Alivia blasts her arm off at the elbow, before Min plunges a dagger into her spleen, and Narishma blows her legs off with an exploding flesh weave, would have been far more dramatic, and an equally just end for this "monster" of a Forsaken.

The spanking, in contrast, just had me blinking in surprise and checking the book's cover to make sure I wasn't reading some comedic rip-off of the series.

Despite what you and others claim, I think we were poorly prepared for this scene. Semirhage has NEVER been portrayed as someone who cares in the least what others think of her. She is a somewhat deranged loner who dwells in her own fantasy world, and cares solely for the pleasure of torturing people.

She is no coward, and dispassionately isolates her own feelings of fear for later examination and analysis. If anything, she has seemed to go through life oblivious of what other people think, focused only on her own, unique obsessions and pleasures.

The Cadsuane scene came out of nowhere, and the explanation behind Semirhage's sudden collapse into tears left much to be desired. The Semirhage in the spanking scene did not add up to the Semirhage we have seen throughout the rest of the series.

What one would have expected to see in this scene, was Semirhage calmly saying to Cadsuane:

"Someone once tried to lay a hand on me before, girl. I ate her liver with a nice Chianti and some fava beans."





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Semirhage vs Cadsuane - in Sanderson's words... - 19/11/2009 09:58:19 PM 3165 Views
The two of you are pathetic - 19/11/2009 10:09:34 PM 1648 Views
Your problem is... - 19/11/2009 10:21:40 PM 1565 Views
Well said. It takes something away from the story. *NM* - 19/11/2009 10:34:41 PM 721 Views
No. - 20/11/2009 08:15:32 AM 1359 Views
And now he's not "blind" anymore - 20/11/2009 08:20:56 AM 1269 Views
*Cough* MoridinDemandredTaim *Cough* *NM* - 21/11/2009 06:16:14 PM 600 Views
*cough* philosopherguywhosdonenothingcrazyperson *cough* - 22/11/2009 05:19:20 PM 1367 Views
Well said. Compare her to, say, Mogheidan. - 20/11/2009 08:17:57 AM 1331 Views
True to a degree - 20/11/2009 08:26:20 AM 1270 Views
There's a little more to it as well - 20/11/2009 08:51:03 AM 1233 Views
You know, I agree - 19/11/2009 11:12:49 PM 1318 Views
But she gave us a clue as to how she might be broken. - 20/11/2009 08:17:04 AM 1167 Views
I would love to see tSR and tFoH from Moiraine's perspective - 20/11/2009 08:22:55 AM 1141 Views
I imagine it took A LOT of frustration and anger management. *NM* - 20/11/2009 08:27:13 AM 651 Views
I don't think Moiraine became meek at all - 20/11/2009 11:06:05 AM 1156 Views
That's what I meant, actually - 21/11/2009 03:44:26 AM 1143 Views
I don't think Rand will do it, though - 20/11/2009 11:10:27 AM 1105 Views
Re: You know, I agree - 09/05/2010 09:08:58 PM 1254 Views
I agree with Cannoli completely. (Did I just say that?) - 19/11/2009 11:18:09 PM 1337 Views
And I agree with Rand al'Thor. - 19/11/2009 11:35:55 PM 1183 Views
And I agree with Fanatic-Templar. - 20/11/2009 10:40:26 PM 1234 Views
Ditto *NM* - 21/06/2010 01:15:04 PM 578 Views
I didn't like it for the same reason I don't like the Aes Sedai much anymore - 20/11/2009 07:40:31 AM 1244 Views
And also - 20/11/2009 11:08:39 AM 1194 Views
Actually, it did, but it didn't care about him at all. - 20/11/2009 10:21:02 PM 1090 Views
Re: The two of you are pathetic - 08/05/2010 12:05:51 AM 1229 Views
personally, I loved the scene - 19/11/2009 10:10:44 PM 1391 Views
Agreed. I thought it worked. *NM* - 19/11/2009 10:40:04 PM 649 Views
Are you feeling all right? If you are, Cannoli is right, and you're pathetic. - 19/11/2009 10:18:54 PM 1313 Views
See my response to Cannoli. *NM* - 19/11/2009 10:25:15 PM 692 Views
That was barely a response... - 20/11/2009 12:43:07 AM 1192 Views
There's always more than one way for a story to "logically" progress - 20/11/2009 08:07:44 AM 1183 Views
Re: That was barely a response... - 08/05/2010 12:24:55 AM 1250 Views
Evil IS cool! This is storytelling, not a morality play. - 20/11/2009 08:01:17 AM 1193 Views
On the other hand - 20/11/2009 11:13:54 AM 1177 Views
Re: Evil IS cool! This is storytelling, not a morality play. - 20/11/2009 10:50:07 PM 1153 Views
Yeah, Semi never got much screentime - 21/11/2009 03:47:27 AM 1215 Views
Re: Yeah, Semi never got much screentime - 21/11/2009 04:09:26 AM 1169 Views
Re: Evil IS cool! This is storytelling, not a morality play. - 08/05/2010 01:17:07 AM 1208 Views
Oh, they're quite good at killing people. - 08/05/2010 06:47:35 AM 1123 Views
Re: Oh, they're quite good at killing people. - 09/05/2010 06:09:38 PM 1241 Views
Actually, it's why they're still alive. - 09/05/2010 06:32:22 PM 1081 Views
Re: Actually, it's why they're still alive. - 21/06/2010 01:15:19 AM 1102 Views
Re: Actually, it's why they're still alive. - 21/06/2010 01:32:25 AM 1213 Views
Are they? Why are Mat, Perrin and the Wondergirls still alive? - 13/05/2010 12:47:57 AM 1120 Views
Nobody's even tried to kill them since Ishamael died, until he gave the order again in KoD. - 13/05/2010 01:13:02 AM 1099 Views
It'd be harder to kill them now as they have come into their own power - 21/06/2010 01:18:31 AM 1076 Views
... - 21/06/2010 01:34:51 AM 1167 Views
If they're good at killing people - 06/07/2010 10:00:41 PM 975 Views
I loved that scene - it's actually dog-eared because it's one of my favorites. - 19/11/2009 10:37:33 PM 1233 Views
exactly *NM* - 19/11/2009 11:06:48 PM 638 Views
Really liked her complaints about the food - 20/11/2009 10:42:57 PM 1213 Views
I'd love to see Mat spanking Caddy as he did Joline - 19/11/2009 10:48:21 PM 1287 Views
I'd like to see that too . - 19/11/2009 11:40:26 PM 1117 Views
I actually think Mat needs a spanking. *NM* - 20/11/2009 10:23:46 PM 635 Views
I had no problem with the spanking... - 19/11/2009 11:07:07 PM 1306 Views
Best news I've heard all day *NM* - 19/11/2009 11:09:49 PM 734 Views
Actually... what happened to Semirhage was BEAUTIFUL. - 19/11/2009 11:28:29 PM 1341 Views
I agree with your second half - 20/11/2009 08:27:07 AM 1123 Views
The Forsaken aren't lame, they just aren't that special - 20/11/2009 12:30:51 PM 1134 Views
Their lack of special-ness has made them become lame villians - 21/11/2009 03:50:50 AM 1140 Views
She is dead to me! - 20/11/2009 12:25:42 AM 1051 Views
I agree with Cannoli and Fionwe's on the best way to handle Semirhage - 20/11/2009 04:17:41 AM 1089 Views
Book 14 you think - 20/11/2009 04:55:29 AM 1119 Views
So would you enjoy seeing Moridin pulled over Cadsuane's knee and spanked? - 20/11/2009 07:48:45 AM 1229 Views
You're upset about the spanking and have missed the reason for it. - 20/11/2009 03:05:50 PM 1256 Views
Don't avoid the question... - 20/11/2009 03:27:23 PM 1176 Views
I'm not avoiding anything, just pointing out how silly this post is - 20/11/2009 04:50:17 PM 1182 Views
Hehe... - 20/11/2009 05:25:56 PM 1196 Views
Re: Hehe... - 21/11/2009 10:44:06 AM 1198 Views
- 20/11/2009 10:36:36 PM 1078 Views
Hey now... imagine how Balthamel's fans feel - 21/11/2009 02:21:48 AM 1126 Views
I think Aginor was the worst. - 21/11/2009 04:10:51 AM 1105 Views
Re: - 21/11/2009 10:26:53 AM 1136 Views
The thing that bothers me is that you're right - 20/11/2009 08:10:44 AM 1126 Views
Except that Demandred is the one Darksider who knows about Elayne - 21/11/2009 06:30:26 PM 1195 Views
Re: Except that Demandred is the one Darksider who knows about Elayne - 22/11/2009 10:13:44 AM 1454 Views
He was dispatched 'fairly easily' because he was betrayed by Moridin . - 22/11/2009 08:09:38 PM 1058 Views
because thats what sadists are! - 20/11/2009 04:03:31 PM 1469 Views
How many people - 08/05/2010 12:30:17 AM 1165 Views
At least two. - 10/05/2010 02:10:31 PM 992 Views
Re: At least two. - 21/06/2010 01:24:53 AM 1296 Views
Shame has traditionally been one of the greatest ways of enforcing public order - 21/06/2010 02:55:54 AM 1126 Views
Re: Semirhage vs Cadsuane - in Sanderson's words... - 29/06/2010 10:29:51 PM 1350 Views
Cadsuane was brilliant in that scene. - 02/07/2010 12:41:06 AM 1177 Views

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