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Re: Evil IS cool! This is storytelling, not a morality play. Fanatic-Templar Send a noteboard - 20/11/2009 10:50:07 PM
Sephiroth.


What does Mama's Boy have to do with this? :P

With the defanging of the Forsaken, Rand isn't left with any "dread" worthy opponents. Moridin's almost an anti-villian at this point. The DO is a faceless evil. The Seancean are a distraction- one that can do damage, but not horror-inducing. The various minions and monsters are bad, but not antagonist-worthy.

There's pretty much just Fain, who hasn't been doing much scheming lately, and the 'Finns, who are more of a Mat-centric antagonist.


So, yeah, the series... I don't know if "demeaned" is the word, but it was definitely lessened by the Semirhage sequence.


I'm actually surprised you thought Semirhage was a worthy villain before the spanking scene. I know I considered her a complete joke after Knife of Dreams, having gone through with what is presumably the absolute dumbest Forsaken plot to date. Her plan was so ridiculous that people were trying to preserve her image as a competent Forsaken by suggesting she meant to get captured.

Her humiliation in The Gathering Storm is completely appropriate. In the end, the heroes triumph over the villains, and how do you defeat a villain who is nothing more than an image? I mean, Semirhage had demonstrated her utter incompetence already, as I mentioned, all she had left was this delusion of adequacy. What was needed to complete the heroes' victory over her was to shatter that delusion and reveal the pathetic creature hiding behind the mask.

This doesn't reduce the value of Semirhage, such as it was, but only shows how awesome the protagonists were, that they could take on whatever obstacle Semirhage offered.
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Semirhage vs Cadsuane - in Sanderson's words... - 19/11/2009 09:58:19 PM 3244 Views
The two of you are pathetic - 19/11/2009 10:09:34 PM 1732 Views
Your problem is... - 19/11/2009 10:21:40 PM 1648 Views
Well said. It takes something away from the story. *NM* - 19/11/2009 10:34:41 PM 757 Views
No. - 20/11/2009 08:15:32 AM 1439 Views
And now he's not "blind" anymore - 20/11/2009 08:20:56 AM 1346 Views
*Cough* MoridinDemandredTaim *Cough* *NM* - 21/11/2009 06:16:14 PM 637 Views
*cough* philosopherguywhosdonenothingcrazyperson *cough* - 22/11/2009 05:19:20 PM 1443 Views
Well said. Compare her to, say, Mogheidan. - 20/11/2009 08:17:57 AM 1398 Views
True to a degree - 20/11/2009 08:26:20 AM 1340 Views
There's a little more to it as well - 20/11/2009 08:51:03 AM 1304 Views
You know, I agree - 19/11/2009 11:12:49 PM 1415 Views
But she gave us a clue as to how she might be broken. - 20/11/2009 08:17:04 AM 1239 Views
I would love to see tSR and tFoH from Moiraine's perspective - 20/11/2009 08:22:55 AM 1221 Views
I imagine it took A LOT of frustration and anger management. *NM* - 20/11/2009 08:27:13 AM 687 Views
I don't think Moiraine became meek at all - 20/11/2009 11:06:05 AM 1237 Views
That's what I meant, actually - 21/11/2009 03:44:26 AM 1219 Views
I don't think Rand will do it, though - 20/11/2009 11:10:27 AM 1173 Views
Re: You know, I agree - 09/05/2010 09:08:58 PM 1321 Views
I agree with Cannoli completely. (Did I just say that?) - 19/11/2009 11:18:09 PM 1414 Views
And I agree with Rand al'Thor. - 19/11/2009 11:35:55 PM 1252 Views
And I agree with Fanatic-Templar. - 20/11/2009 10:40:26 PM 1306 Views
Ditto *NM* - 21/06/2010 01:15:04 PM 612 Views
I didn't like it for the same reason I don't like the Aes Sedai much anymore - 20/11/2009 07:40:31 AM 1325 Views
And also - 20/11/2009 11:08:39 AM 1274 Views
Actually, it did, but it didn't care about him at all. - 20/11/2009 10:21:02 PM 1156 Views
Re: The two of you are pathetic - 08/05/2010 12:05:51 AM 1314 Views
personally, I loved the scene - 19/11/2009 10:10:44 PM 1471 Views
Agreed. I thought it worked. *NM* - 19/11/2009 10:40:04 PM 679 Views
Are you feeling all right? If you are, Cannoli is right, and you're pathetic. - 19/11/2009 10:18:54 PM 1383 Views
See my response to Cannoli. *NM* - 19/11/2009 10:25:15 PM 725 Views
That was barely a response... - 20/11/2009 12:43:07 AM 1264 Views
There's always more than one way for a story to "logically" progress - 20/11/2009 08:07:44 AM 1262 Views
Re: That was barely a response... - 08/05/2010 12:24:55 AM 1326 Views
Evil IS cool! This is storytelling, not a morality play. - 20/11/2009 08:01:17 AM 1260 Views
On the other hand - 20/11/2009 11:13:54 AM 1245 Views
Re: Evil IS cool! This is storytelling, not a morality play. - 20/11/2009 10:50:07 PM 1226 Views
Yeah, Semi never got much screentime - 21/11/2009 03:47:27 AM 1299 Views
Re: Yeah, Semi never got much screentime - 21/11/2009 04:09:26 AM 1253 Views
Re: Evil IS cool! This is storytelling, not a morality play. - 08/05/2010 01:17:07 AM 1288 Views
Oh, they're quite good at killing people. - 08/05/2010 06:47:35 AM 1197 Views
Re: Oh, they're quite good at killing people. - 09/05/2010 06:09:38 PM 1312 Views
Actually, it's why they're still alive. - 09/05/2010 06:32:22 PM 1153 Views
Re: Actually, it's why they're still alive. - 21/06/2010 01:15:19 AM 1179 Views
Re: Actually, it's why they're still alive. - 21/06/2010 01:32:25 AM 1289 Views
Are they? Why are Mat, Perrin and the Wondergirls still alive? - 13/05/2010 12:47:57 AM 1189 Views
Nobody's even tried to kill them since Ishamael died, until he gave the order again in KoD. - 13/05/2010 01:13:02 AM 1171 Views
It'd be harder to kill them now as they have come into their own power - 21/06/2010 01:18:31 AM 1143 Views
... - 21/06/2010 01:34:51 AM 1247 Views
If they're good at killing people - 06/07/2010 10:00:41 PM 1047 Views
I loved that scene - it's actually dog-eared because it's one of my favorites. - 19/11/2009 10:37:33 PM 1310 Views
exactly *NM* - 19/11/2009 11:06:48 PM 674 Views
Really liked her complaints about the food - 20/11/2009 10:42:57 PM 1287 Views
I'd love to see Mat spanking Caddy as he did Joline - 19/11/2009 10:48:21 PM 1359 Views
I'd like to see that too . - 19/11/2009 11:40:26 PM 1200 Views
I actually think Mat needs a spanking. *NM* - 20/11/2009 10:23:46 PM 667 Views
I had no problem with the spanking... - 19/11/2009 11:07:07 PM 1386 Views
Best news I've heard all day *NM* - 19/11/2009 11:09:49 PM 772 Views
Actually... what happened to Semirhage was BEAUTIFUL. - 19/11/2009 11:28:29 PM 1482 Views
I agree with your second half - 20/11/2009 08:27:07 AM 1197 Views
The Forsaken aren't lame, they just aren't that special - 20/11/2009 12:30:51 PM 1207 Views
Their lack of special-ness has made them become lame villians - 21/11/2009 03:50:50 AM 1216 Views
She is dead to me! - 20/11/2009 12:25:42 AM 1127 Views
I agree with Cannoli and Fionwe's on the best way to handle Semirhage - 20/11/2009 04:17:41 AM 1154 Views
Book 14 you think - 20/11/2009 04:55:29 AM 1198 Views
So would you enjoy seeing Moridin pulled over Cadsuane's knee and spanked? - 20/11/2009 07:48:45 AM 1303 Views
You're upset about the spanking and have missed the reason for it. - 20/11/2009 03:05:50 PM 1322 Views
Don't avoid the question... - 20/11/2009 03:27:23 PM 1256 Views
I'm not avoiding anything, just pointing out how silly this post is - 20/11/2009 04:50:17 PM 1267 Views
Hehe... - 20/11/2009 05:25:56 PM 1271 Views
Re: Hehe... - 21/11/2009 10:44:06 AM 1281 Views
- 20/11/2009 10:36:36 PM 1155 Views
Hey now... imagine how Balthamel's fans feel - 21/11/2009 02:21:48 AM 1207 Views
I think Aginor was the worst. - 21/11/2009 04:10:51 AM 1188 Views
Re: - 21/11/2009 10:26:53 AM 1218 Views
The thing that bothers me is that you're right - 20/11/2009 08:10:44 AM 1206 Views
Except that Demandred is the one Darksider who knows about Elayne - 21/11/2009 06:30:26 PM 1280 Views
Re: Except that Demandred is the one Darksider who knows about Elayne - 22/11/2009 10:13:44 AM 1539 Views
He was dispatched 'fairly easily' because he was betrayed by Moridin . - 22/11/2009 08:09:38 PM 1129 Views
because thats what sadists are! - 20/11/2009 04:03:31 PM 1545 Views
How many people - 08/05/2010 12:30:17 AM 1242 Views
At least two. - 10/05/2010 02:10:31 PM 1059 Views
Re: At least two. - 21/06/2010 01:24:53 AM 1380 Views
Shame has traditionally been one of the greatest ways of enforcing public order - 21/06/2010 02:55:54 AM 1190 Views
Re: Semirhage vs Cadsuane - in Sanderson's words... - 29/06/2010 10:29:51 PM 1423 Views
Cadsuane was brilliant in that scene. - 02/07/2010 12:41:06 AM 1247 Views

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