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Re: Okay, "entirely" was a bad choice of word. Sidious Send a noteboard - 21/11/2009 10:48:16 AM

You admit Cyndane's strength reduction is unknown. So where you place Graendal determines where you place Cyndane too. How do you know Graendal is tougher than Nynaeve and Semirhage?


You're right, my thoughts on Moghedien and Lanfear's strengths would collapse, as would my thoughts on Alivia, Sharina and Nynaeve :rolleyes:. You and Shannow are both fans of hyperbole.

At least I can sit back on Graendal's statement that a woman of greater strength is exceedingly rare, and her shock at finding Cyndane. What is your counter-evidence... that Semirhage is that rare woman? What is THAT based on?


Moghedien and Lanfear...no big deal. Everyone knows where they rank. That was kind of a low blow by you.

Graendal's statement about finding people stronger than her is suspect. I've pointed this out in a thread below, but so far not gotten a response yet. (I'm referring to my post with the 5 points). Anyway, do you think Graendal was being honest about only "very rare" people were stronger than her? That's Forsaken code for "I wish I were stronger than I really am." The Forsaken exaggerate their own strengths. And that is an RJ quote (well I paraphrased). The fact is, RJ said the Forsaken exaggerate their own powers.

As to where is my evidence about Graendal: BS' comments that only 6 people are above Nynaeve makes it more likely that Graendal is not one of them. That's my evidence. With Lanfear, Alivia, and Sharina absolutely above Nynaeve, then there's really only 3 unknown spots left to argue about.

You also haven't responded to my point below in the other post, about you having too many levels (eight) from Lanfear to Moghedien. That doesn't make sense. You need to bunch them up. Anyway, I await your response to my post below and then we can actually discuss this.


I'll respond when I can ;)
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Female Forsaken strength : a new post Sidious - 19/11/2009 04:12:35 PM 1994 Views
Except... Etzel - 19/11/2009 04:26:32 PM 1010 Views
There's no evidence for that Sidious - 19/11/2009 04:31:17 PM 984 Views
I agree with Sidious - we have no evidence at this time, so she should remain off the list kcf - 19/11/2009 04:38:31 PM 974 Views
It's common sense Etzel - 19/11/2009 04:40:01 PM 895 Views
No, it's based on absolutely nothing Sidious - 19/11/2009 04:50:30 PM 1032 Views
If you agree that there are stronger damane than Alivia... Etzel - 19/11/2009 05:00:05 PM 884 Views
I didn't say that Sidious - 19/11/2009 05:07:33 PM 939 Views
Well, I think you are wrong... Etzel - 19/11/2009 05:35:27 PM 919 Views
Glad to have you back. Now for the arguments to start! Shannow - 19/11/2009 04:29:01 PM 1056 Views
Hmm... Sidious - 19/11/2009 04:47:12 PM 1056 Views
Actually, you are the one placing Lanfear immensely high, my list reduced the strength difference... Shannow - 19/11/2009 05:05:18 PM 1135 Views
But I'm not Sidious - 19/11/2009 05:17:05 PM 1014 Views
Let me ask you this... Shannow - 19/11/2009 10:13:12 PM 1066 Views
Very good point *NM* Logain - 20/11/2009 01:38:55 AM 464 Views
One possibility Rand al'Thor - 20/11/2009 03:18:55 AM 986 Views
All assumption Sidious - 20/11/2009 04:11:20 AM 951 Views
Why introduce that concept, if it is just of academic importance? Shannow - 20/11/2009 07:41:54 AM 877 Views
You don't know the significance of it at all Sidious - 20/11/2009 03:14:46 PM 1017 Views
Why? Shannow - 20/11/2009 03:17:51 PM 1547 Views
Re: Why? Sidious - 20/11/2009 04:30:50 PM 913 Views
How can you argue in such a way and still keep a straight face (presumably)... Shannow - 20/11/2009 05:07:39 PM 903 Views
Re: How can you argue in such a way and still keep a straight face (presumably)... Sidious - 21/11/2009 10:55:47 AM 912 Views
Is Graendal the only Forsaken NOT to overstate her own ability then? Shannow - 21/11/2009 01:53:28 PM 1027 Views
Probably not in this case Sidious - 21/11/2009 11:34:25 PM 897 Views
Your rankings hinge ENTIRELY on whether you have Graendal correctly placed. Logain - 20/11/2009 03:24:22 PM 921 Views
Yeah... entirely Sidious - 20/11/2009 04:33:45 PM 874 Views
Okay, "entirely" was a bad choice of word. Logain - 20/11/2009 09:57:52 PM 901 Views
Re: Okay, "entirely" was a bad choice of word. Sidious - 21/11/2009 10:48:16 AM 992 Views
Re: Let me ask you this... lyringlas - 23/12/2009 04:30:27 PM 942 Views
*correction*Re: Let me ask you this... lyringlas - 23/12/2009 04:32:02 PM 906 Views
my comments w/ edit kcf - 19/11/2009 04:37:27 PM 975 Views
Re: my comments w/ edit Sidious - 19/11/2009 04:54:30 PM 1058 Views
Re: my comments w/ edit lyringlas - 23/12/2009 04:42:15 PM 838 Views
What ever happened to all teh info from wotmania? Especially the FAQs? *NM* callandor1000 - 19/11/2009 05:01:45 PM 613 Views
http://13depository.blogspot.com/ *NM* TaskmasterJack - 19/11/2009 05:31:01 PM 481 Views
Re: Female Forsaken strength : a new post TaskmasterJack - 19/11/2009 05:39:10 PM 992 Views
Re: Female Forsaken strength : a new post -- What about Dexterity?? Tedtheman - 19/11/2009 06:44:31 PM 1006 Views
This perfectly matches my understanding of the situation. Rand al'Thor - 19/11/2009 07:06:31 PM 861 Views
Seems good, except I'd bunch up the upper levels and place Nynaeve a little higher. *NM* fionwe1987 - 19/11/2009 09:46:16 PM 508 Views
Agreed! This make more sense than the previous list *NM* Basara - 20/11/2009 12:07:37 AM 519 Views
Too many levels Rurouni_Kenshin - 20/11/2009 01:48:24 AM 980 Views
You are completely right about too many levels. Logain - 20/11/2009 04:17:17 AM 870 Views
21 levels is largely a myth kcf - 20/11/2009 04:27:27 AM 910 Views
Re: 21 levels is largely a myth DomA - 20/11/2009 01:51:17 PM 1004 Views
Thanks for the post. Interesting stuff there. *NM* Logain - 20/11/2009 03:14:12 PM 444 Views
That's good to know. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 20/11/2009 07:56:41 PM 857 Views
I have to disagree for a couple of reasons. Logain - 20/11/2009 04:14:40 AM 1027 Views
I thought of something else to support my upper limit theory on gateways Logain - 20/11/2009 01:53:05 PM 1033 Views
Talaan is not stronger than Nynaeve darius_sedai - 28/11/2009 08:27:22 PM 1126 Views
Re: Talaan is not stronger than Nynaeve Logain - 28/11/2009 10:05:15 PM 1131 Views
Talaan has be channeling for 6 or 7 years darius_sedai - 28/11/2009 10:56:12 PM 906 Views
Re: I have to disagree for a couple of reasons. taura-tierno - 30/12/2009 12:37:40 AM 1341 Views
Agree with nearly all Lord o' Salv - 20/11/2009 04:43:47 AM 848 Views
more hopefully to come kcf - 20/11/2009 08:15:00 PM 829 Views
Thanks KCF, that's a great question to ask. Shannow - 20/11/2009 08:28:32 PM 1086 Views
I'm the same way. I should be studying for law school finals, but I'm distracted. *NM* Logain - 20/11/2009 09:45:46 PM 415 Views
A little more evidence that Nynaeve is stronger than Semirhage darius_sedai - 29/11/2009 12:12:37 AM 931 Views
I agree that Graendal is the 2nd most powerful woman Forsaken darius_sedai - 29/11/2009 04:07:00 PM 840 Views
It's possible Logain - 30/11/2009 08:23:28 PM 892 Views
Re: It's possible darius_sedai - 01/12/2009 06:18:56 PM 961 Views
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