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Re: Okay, "entirely" was a bad choice of word. Sidious Send a noteboard - 21/11/2009 10:48:16 AM

You admit Cyndane's strength reduction is unknown. So where you place Graendal determines where you place Cyndane too. How do you know Graendal is tougher than Nynaeve and Semirhage?


You're right, my thoughts on Moghedien and Lanfear's strengths would collapse, as would my thoughts on Alivia, Sharina and Nynaeve :rolleyes:. You and Shannow are both fans of hyperbole.

At least I can sit back on Graendal's statement that a woman of greater strength is exceedingly rare, and her shock at finding Cyndane. What is your counter-evidence... that Semirhage is that rare woman? What is THAT based on?


Moghedien and Lanfear...no big deal. Everyone knows where they rank. That was kind of a low blow by you.

Graendal's statement about finding people stronger than her is suspect. I've pointed this out in a thread below, but so far not gotten a response yet. (I'm referring to my post with the 5 points). Anyway, do you think Graendal was being honest about only "very rare" people were stronger than her? That's Forsaken code for "I wish I were stronger than I really am." The Forsaken exaggerate their own strengths. And that is an RJ quote (well I paraphrased). The fact is, RJ said the Forsaken exaggerate their own powers.

As to where is my evidence about Graendal: BS' comments that only 6 people are above Nynaeve makes it more likely that Graendal is not one of them. That's my evidence. With Lanfear, Alivia, and Sharina absolutely above Nynaeve, then there's really only 3 unknown spots left to argue about.

You also haven't responded to my point below in the other post, about you having too many levels (eight) from Lanfear to Moghedien. That doesn't make sense. You need to bunch them up. Anyway, I await your response to my post below and then we can actually discuss this.


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Female Forsaken strength : a new post Sidious - 19/11/2009 04:12:35 PM 1744 Views
Except... Etzel - 19/11/2009 04:26:32 PM 780 Views
There's no evidence for that Sidious - 19/11/2009 04:31:17 PM 734 Views
I agree with Sidious - we have no evidence at this time, so she should remain off the list kcf - 19/11/2009 04:38:31 PM 738 Views
It's common sense Etzel - 19/11/2009 04:40:01 PM 690 Views
No, it's based on absolutely nothing Sidious - 19/11/2009 04:50:30 PM 751 Views
If you agree that there are stronger damane than Alivia... Etzel - 19/11/2009 05:00:05 PM 672 Views
I didn't say that Sidious - 19/11/2009 05:07:33 PM 679 Views
Well, I think you are wrong... Etzel - 19/11/2009 05:35:27 PM 673 Views
Glad to have you back. Now for the arguments to start! Shannow - 19/11/2009 04:29:01 PM 790 Views
Hmm... Sidious - 19/11/2009 04:47:12 PM 795 Views
Actually, you are the one placing Lanfear immensely high, my list reduced the strength difference... Shannow - 19/11/2009 05:05:18 PM 866 Views
But I'm not Sidious - 19/11/2009 05:17:05 PM 766 Views
Let me ask you this... Shannow - 19/11/2009 10:13:12 PM 807 Views
Very good point *NM* Logain - 20/11/2009 01:38:55 AM 344 Views
One possibility Rand al'Thor - 20/11/2009 03:18:55 AM 748 Views
All assumption Sidious - 20/11/2009 04:11:20 AM 673 Views
Why introduce that concept, if it is just of academic importance? Shannow - 20/11/2009 07:41:54 AM 644 Views
You don't know the significance of it at all Sidious - 20/11/2009 03:14:46 PM 763 Views
Why? Shannow - 20/11/2009 03:17:51 PM 1283 Views
Re: Why? Sidious - 20/11/2009 04:30:50 PM 630 Views
How can you argue in such a way and still keep a straight face (presumably)... Shannow - 20/11/2009 05:07:39 PM 674 Views
Re: How can you argue in such a way and still keep a straight face (presumably)... Sidious - 21/11/2009 10:55:47 AM 665 Views
Is Graendal the only Forsaken NOT to overstate her own ability then? Shannow - 21/11/2009 01:53:28 PM 765 Views
Probably not in this case Sidious - 21/11/2009 11:34:25 PM 646 Views
Your rankings hinge ENTIRELY on whether you have Graendal correctly placed. Logain - 20/11/2009 03:24:22 PM 600 Views
Yeah... entirely Sidious - 20/11/2009 04:33:45 PM 629 Views
Okay, "entirely" was a bad choice of word. Logain - 20/11/2009 09:57:52 PM 643 Views
Re: Okay, "entirely" was a bad choice of word. Sidious - 21/11/2009 10:48:16 AM 713 Views
Re: Let me ask you this... lyringlas - 23/12/2009 04:30:27 PM 678 Views
*correction*Re: Let me ask you this... lyringlas - 23/12/2009 04:32:02 PM 652 Views
my comments w/ edit kcf - 19/11/2009 04:37:27 PM 727 Views
Re: my comments w/ edit Sidious - 19/11/2009 04:54:30 PM 788 Views
Re: my comments w/ edit lyringlas - 23/12/2009 04:42:15 PM 603 Views
What ever happened to all teh info from wotmania? Especially the FAQs? *NM* callandor1000 - 19/11/2009 05:01:45 PM 454 Views
http://13depository.blogspot.com/ *NM* TaskmasterJack - 19/11/2009 05:31:01 PM 356 Views
Re: Female Forsaken strength : a new post TaskmasterJack - 19/11/2009 05:39:10 PM 757 Views
Re: Female Forsaken strength : a new post -- What about Dexterity?? Tedtheman - 19/11/2009 06:44:31 PM 764 Views
This perfectly matches my understanding of the situation. Rand al'Thor - 19/11/2009 07:06:31 PM 627 Views
Seems good, except I'd bunch up the upper levels and place Nynaeve a little higher. *NM* fionwe1987 - 19/11/2009 09:46:16 PM 391 Views
Agreed! This make more sense than the previous list *NM* Basara - 20/11/2009 12:07:37 AM 393 Views
Too many levels Rurouni_Kenshin - 20/11/2009 01:48:24 AM 751 Views
You are completely right about too many levels. Logain - 20/11/2009 04:17:17 AM 630 Views
21 levels is largely a myth kcf - 20/11/2009 04:27:27 AM 638 Views
Re: 21 levels is largely a myth DomA - 20/11/2009 01:51:17 PM 773 Views
Thanks for the post. Interesting stuff there. *NM* Logain - 20/11/2009 03:14:12 PM 328 Views
That's good to know. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 20/11/2009 07:56:41 PM 614 Views
I have to disagree for a couple of reasons. Logain - 20/11/2009 04:14:40 AM 769 Views
I thought of something else to support my upper limit theory on gateways Logain - 20/11/2009 01:53:05 PM 755 Views
Talaan is not stronger than Nynaeve darius_sedai - 28/11/2009 08:27:22 PM 783 Views
Re: Talaan is not stronger than Nynaeve Logain - 28/11/2009 10:05:15 PM 867 Views
Talaan has be channeling for 6 or 7 years darius_sedai - 28/11/2009 10:56:12 PM 675 Views
Re: I have to disagree for a couple of reasons. taura-tierno - 30/12/2009 12:37:40 AM 1091 Views
Agree with nearly all Lord o' Salv - 20/11/2009 04:43:47 AM 636 Views
more hopefully to come kcf - 20/11/2009 08:15:00 PM 615 Views
Thanks KCF, that's a great question to ask. Shannow - 20/11/2009 08:28:32 PM 856 Views
I'm the same way. I should be studying for law school finals, but I'm distracted. *NM* Logain - 20/11/2009 09:45:46 PM 308 Views
A little more evidence that Nynaeve is stronger than Semirhage darius_sedai - 29/11/2009 12:12:37 AM 643 Views
I agree that Graendal is the 2nd most powerful woman Forsaken darius_sedai - 29/11/2009 04:07:00 PM 606 Views
It's possible Logain - 30/11/2009 08:23:28 PM 624 Views
Re: It's possible darius_sedai - 01/12/2009 06:18:56 PM 723 Views
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