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Re: How does that jive with the Oaths? DomA Send a noteboard - 06/12/2009 07:57:10 PM
If she had said she hadn't noticed outright without any sarcasm then it would be more debatable.


Her statement, sacrastic or not is still a lie... how does this not violate the 1st Oath?

aslong as they know they aren't decieving anyone.


The oath reads "To speak no word that is not true"

And is New Spring Siuan was stopped from saying something about how hard her work was to Moiraine, despite the fact that she would not have been deceiving Moiraine with her words... doesn't seem consistent to me!


It doesn't matter that Moiraine would not have been fooled by the lie, Siuan's intent was what counted, and she was trying to say something she didn't believe was true.

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Cadsuane lies! darius_sedai - 06/12/2009 06:10:41 PM 2115 Views
Re: Cadsuane lies! joepo - 06/12/2009 06:18:39 PM 1320 Views
Sarcasm is one thing Ryan - 06/12/2009 06:43:12 PM 1036 Views
I disagree darius_sedai - 06/12/2009 06:51:27 PM 996 Views
RJ has said they're allowed to be sarcastic TheCrownless - 06/12/2009 07:07:32 PM 955 Views
How does that jive with the Oaths? darius_sedai - 06/12/2009 07:13:21 PM 1000 Views
Good point, but in that same book Tamra said that Gitara didn't say anything before dying *NM* Deadsy - 06/12/2009 07:53:31 PM 460 Views
Re: Good point, but in that same book Tamra said that Gitara didn't say anything before dying DomA - 06/12/2009 08:03:36 PM 1046 Views
Yes, she did state it. Deadsy - 06/12/2009 08:57:47 PM 971 Views
Re: Yes, she did state it. DomA - 07/12/2009 01:39:07 AM 954 Views
Re: How does that jive with the Oaths? DomA - 06/12/2009 07:57:10 PM 899 Views
The Oaths focus on INTENT beetnemesis - 06/12/2009 10:01:27 PM 953 Views
None of what you describe is an Oath ingrained into your bones. darius_sedai - 07/12/2009 01:52:49 AM 821 Views
It's ENTIRELY about self-rationalization Nameless Ashaman - 07/12/2009 03:59:00 AM 805 Views
^This. *NM* Nate - 07/12/2009 08:23:27 AM 432 Views
Because it isn't a lie DomA - 06/12/2009 07:44:29 PM 962 Views
I understand this, I'm not arguing that an AS should not be able to be sarcastic darius_sedai - 06/12/2009 08:08:15 PM 948 Views
Verin didn't say it sarcastically. Darth_Katie - 06/12/2009 08:11:31 PM 792 Views
Really? I never would have known that without you darius_sedai - 06/12/2009 08:39:56 PM 879 Views
Re: I understand this, I'm not arguing that an AS should not be able to be sarcastic DomA - 06/12/2009 08:35:23 PM 987 Views
Quote for you darius_sedai - 06/12/2009 08:42:52 PM 915 Views
Re: Quote for you DomA - 07/12/2009 01:30:57 AM 841 Views
The sarcasm was for him repeating himself to her. The "remember" is the part she's refering to. Onarishma - 07/12/2009 10:15:06 AM 753 Views
That's why I think this example of sarcasm works as opposed to Cadsuane who makes a false statement darius_sedai - 07/12/2009 03:17:52 PM 818 Views
sarcasm is sarcasm. In both instances their is technically a lie. Onarishma - 07/12/2009 11:28:02 PM 771 Views
Not at all the case darius_sedai - 07/12/2009 11:58:42 PM 865 Views
Do you really believe he waited till the last minute to tell Seonid? Onarishma - 14/12/2009 01:32:37 PM 938 Views
That's the whole point of her being able to say what she did! darius_sedai - 14/12/2009 04:05:24 PM 716 Views
What about the Sheriam thing? Legolas - 07/12/2009 01:49:32 PM 788 Views
Re: What about the Sheriam thing? DomA - 07/12/2009 02:15:25 PM 733 Views
But surely an Aes Sedai can answer a question she hasn't fully heard yet. Legolas - 07/12/2009 03:06:34 PM 907 Views
I actually don't take it as proof. Nameless Ashaman - 07/12/2009 09:00:58 PM 790 Views
Yeah, I thought about that possibility too... Legolas - 07/12/2009 10:21:16 PM 1021 Views
Sarcasm Sidious - 06/12/2009 07:14:47 PM 991 Views
It's obviously meant to be sarcasm, I just don't like darius_sedai - 06/12/2009 07:18:40 PM 785 Views
Here is what RJ said about it Etzel - 06/12/2009 07:41:18 PM 944 Views
Well I have to say I think RJ made the wrong call with this one *NM* darius_sedai - 06/12/2009 07:43:47 PM 405 Views
Like my momma used to say... Mat_Cauthon33 - 06/12/2009 11:27:22 PM 826 Views
Your momma is a wise woman. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 07/12/2009 03:14:27 PM 737 Views
Agreed. johnnymack - 07/12/2009 01:45:39 AM 740 Views
You can already drive a truck through the oaths. Does this one additional tiny gap really matter? Nameless Ashaman - 07/12/2009 04:07:16 AM 775 Views
Alys (Moiraine alias) *NM* BlackAdder - 07/12/2009 05:13:18 AM 1098 Views
No, no it doesn't. johnnymack - 08/12/2009 03:31:11 PM 754 Views
Re: No, no it doesn't. Nameless Ashaman - 08/12/2009 04:41:42 PM 780 Views
what do you think a RL lie detector would tell in this case? redhand - 07/12/2009 12:27:07 PM 739 Views
in RL you would get warned by the investigator to cooperate AgentOrange - 07/12/2009 01:04:33 PM 763 Views
But how would the machine reading indicate? redhand - 07/12/2009 07:04:22 PM 771 Views
Usually you're s'possed to answer with a yes or no. It's easy to tell when you're evasive AgentOrange - 09/12/2009 10:46:58 PM 801 Views
Where's the problem? Shadowkiller - 09/12/2009 04:18:40 PM 698 Views
It's in the way the Oath is worded darius_sedai - 09/12/2009 05:14:39 PM 752 Views
Re: It's in the way the Oath is worded Shadowkiller - 09/12/2009 05:36:59 PM 773 Views
See the Cadsuane quote, but I'll give you another one darius_sedai - 09/12/2009 06:15:32 PM 969 Views
PS You misread my original quote darius_sedai - 09/12/2009 11:00:56 PM 700 Views
You're so right. My fault. *NM* Shadowkiller - 10/12/2009 12:57:29 AM 683 Views
No worries! It a discussion forum, we're supposed to discuss darius_sedai - 10/12/2009 12:58:39 AM 783 Views
Re: PS You misread my original quote taura-tierno - 28/12/2009 10:04:51 PM 881 Views
Lies, untruths, sarcasm, and meaning Shadowkiller - 09/12/2009 07:46:25 PM 834 Views
We are starting understand each other darius_sedai - 09/12/2009 10:09:41 PM 798 Views
Re: We are starting understand each other Shadowkiller - 10/12/2009 01:03:08 AM 737 Views
Completely agree darius_sedai - 10/12/2009 01:23:36 AM 790 Views
Why do you think she *had* noticed the Aiel? *NM* Lord Haart - 14/12/2009 02:02:24 PM 340 Views
because she arrived with Rand and dozens of Maidens, darius_sedai - 15/12/2009 01:02:43 AM 732 Views
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