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Re: How does that jive with the Oaths? DomA Send a noteboard - 06/12/2009 07:57:10 PM
If she had said she hadn't noticed outright without any sarcasm then it would be more debatable.


Her statement, sacrastic or not is still a lie... how does this not violate the 1st Oath?

aslong as they know they aren't decieving anyone.


The oath reads "To speak no word that is not true"

And is New Spring Siuan was stopped from saying something about how hard her work was to Moiraine, despite the fact that she would not have been deceiving Moiraine with her words... doesn't seem consistent to me!


It doesn't matter that Moiraine would not have been fooled by the lie, Siuan's intent was what counted, and she was trying to say something she didn't believe was true.

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Cadsuane lies! darius_sedai - 06/12/2009 06:10:41 PM 2256 Views
Re: Cadsuane lies! joepo - 06/12/2009 06:18:39 PM 1453 Views
Sarcasm is one thing Ryan - 06/12/2009 06:43:12 PM 1172 Views
I disagree darius_sedai - 06/12/2009 06:51:27 PM 1122 Views
RJ has said they're allowed to be sarcastic TheCrownless - 06/12/2009 07:07:32 PM 1073 Views
How does that jive with the Oaths? darius_sedai - 06/12/2009 07:13:21 PM 1136 Views
Good point, but in that same book Tamra said that Gitara didn't say anything before dying *NM* Deadsy - 06/12/2009 07:53:31 PM 519 Views
Re: Good point, but in that same book Tamra said that Gitara didn't say anything before dying DomA - 06/12/2009 08:03:36 PM 1176 Views
Yes, she did state it. Deadsy - 06/12/2009 08:57:47 PM 1089 Views
Re: Yes, she did state it. DomA - 07/12/2009 01:39:07 AM 1079 Views
Re: How does that jive with the Oaths? DomA - 06/12/2009 07:57:10 PM 1037 Views
The Oaths focus on INTENT beetnemesis - 06/12/2009 10:01:27 PM 1114 Views
None of what you describe is an Oath ingrained into your bones. darius_sedai - 07/12/2009 01:52:49 AM 948 Views
It's ENTIRELY about self-rationalization Nameless Ashaman - 07/12/2009 03:59:00 AM 915 Views
^This. *NM* Nate - 07/12/2009 08:23:27 AM 532 Views
Because it isn't a lie DomA - 06/12/2009 07:44:29 PM 1108 Views
I understand this, I'm not arguing that an AS should not be able to be sarcastic darius_sedai - 06/12/2009 08:08:15 PM 1081 Views
Verin didn't say it sarcastically. Darth_Katie - 06/12/2009 08:11:31 PM 908 Views
Really? I never would have known that without you darius_sedai - 06/12/2009 08:39:56 PM 1021 Views
Re: I understand this, I'm not arguing that an AS should not be able to be sarcastic DomA - 06/12/2009 08:35:23 PM 1122 Views
Quote for you darius_sedai - 06/12/2009 08:42:52 PM 1056 Views
Re: Quote for you DomA - 07/12/2009 01:30:57 AM 962 Views
The sarcasm was for him repeating himself to her. The "remember" is the part she's refering to. Onarishma - 07/12/2009 10:15:06 AM 886 Views
That's why I think this example of sarcasm works as opposed to Cadsuane who makes a false statement darius_sedai - 07/12/2009 03:17:52 PM 949 Views
sarcasm is sarcasm. In both instances their is technically a lie. Onarishma - 07/12/2009 11:28:02 PM 899 Views
Not at all the case darius_sedai - 07/12/2009 11:58:42 PM 982 Views
Do you really believe he waited till the last minute to tell Seonid? Onarishma - 14/12/2009 01:32:37 PM 1063 Views
That's the whole point of her being able to say what she did! darius_sedai - 14/12/2009 04:05:24 PM 842 Views
What about the Sheriam thing? Legolas - 07/12/2009 01:49:32 PM 976 Views
Re: What about the Sheriam thing? DomA - 07/12/2009 02:15:25 PM 861 Views
But surely an Aes Sedai can answer a question she hasn't fully heard yet. Legolas - 07/12/2009 03:06:34 PM 1087 Views
I actually don't take it as proof. Nameless Ashaman - 07/12/2009 09:00:58 PM 911 Views
Yeah, I thought about that possibility too... Legolas - 07/12/2009 10:21:16 PM 1203 Views
Sarcasm Sidious - 06/12/2009 07:14:47 PM 1133 Views
It's obviously meant to be sarcasm, I just don't like darius_sedai - 06/12/2009 07:18:40 PM 925 Views
Here is what RJ said about it Etzel - 06/12/2009 07:41:18 PM 1084 Views
Well I have to say I think RJ made the wrong call with this one *NM* darius_sedai - 06/12/2009 07:43:47 PM 468 Views
Like my momma used to say... Mat_Cauthon33 - 06/12/2009 11:27:22 PM 979 Views
Your momma is a wise woman. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 07/12/2009 03:14:27 PM 888 Views
Agreed. johnnymack - 07/12/2009 01:45:39 AM 885 Views
You can already drive a truck through the oaths. Does this one additional tiny gap really matter? Nameless Ashaman - 07/12/2009 04:07:16 AM 920 Views
Alys (Moiraine alias) *NM* BlackAdder - 07/12/2009 05:13:18 AM 1238 Views
No, no it doesn't. johnnymack - 08/12/2009 03:31:11 PM 875 Views
Re: No, no it doesn't. Nameless Ashaman - 08/12/2009 04:41:42 PM 903 Views
what do you think a RL lie detector would tell in this case? redhand - 07/12/2009 12:27:07 PM 857 Views
in RL you would get warned by the investigator to cooperate AgentOrange - 07/12/2009 01:04:33 PM 886 Views
But how would the machine reading indicate? redhand - 07/12/2009 07:04:22 PM 891 Views
Usually you're s'possed to answer with a yes or no. It's easy to tell when you're evasive AgentOrange - 09/12/2009 10:46:58 PM 933 Views
Where's the problem? Shadowkiller - 09/12/2009 04:18:40 PM 832 Views
It's in the way the Oath is worded darius_sedai - 09/12/2009 05:14:39 PM 894 Views
Re: It's in the way the Oath is worded Shadowkiller - 09/12/2009 05:36:59 PM 897 Views
See the Cadsuane quote, but I'll give you another one darius_sedai - 09/12/2009 06:15:32 PM 1093 Views
PS You misread my original quote darius_sedai - 09/12/2009 11:00:56 PM 826 Views
You're so right. My fault. *NM* Shadowkiller - 10/12/2009 12:57:29 AM 831 Views
No worries! It a discussion forum, we're supposed to discuss darius_sedai - 10/12/2009 12:58:39 AM 949 Views
Re: PS You misread my original quote taura-tierno - 28/12/2009 10:04:51 PM 1016 Views
Lies, untruths, sarcasm, and meaning Shadowkiller - 09/12/2009 07:46:25 PM 966 Views
We are starting understand each other darius_sedai - 09/12/2009 10:09:41 PM 929 Views
Re: We are starting understand each other Shadowkiller - 10/12/2009 01:03:08 AM 855 Views
Completely agree darius_sedai - 10/12/2009 01:23:36 AM 925 Views
Why do you think she *had* noticed the Aiel? *NM* Lord Haart - 14/12/2009 02:02:24 PM 395 Views
because she arrived with Rand and dozens of Maidens, darius_sedai - 15/12/2009 01:02:43 AM 856 Views
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