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I don't think those would work rAndy aL Send a noteboard - 09/12/2009 07:03:38 AM
I wonder why Verin had to die. I mean could she not just have drank the poison and told all this while she was with Rand. Rand could then have had Nynaeve to heal her afterwards.


Well, if she was expecting to live, then it wouldn't be the hour of her death. Rand doesn't have very good relations with most Aes Sedai, so he also isn't a good choice for revealing the BA to.

Or better yet, have someone still her. That would free her of all oaths. Then she could have had Flinn heal her and presto, oath free Black Ajah with a bonus of extra lifespan.


How exactly was she supposed to do this without revealing the DO's secrets? She also wasn't sure if the Oath Rod could be used to remove her Oaths, so she might not be able to ask for stilling in the first place.

Even if she really wanted to die out of guilt or something, why not just overchannel enough power to burn herself out. She could then have had many hours or days to describe plans of the Shadow in detail and answer questions. And only THEN commit suicide.


Not that easily. She would also run a big risk of killing herself outright, without revealing anything. Her letters also could not have been left, since she was assuming she could collect them again if she didn't die.

I don't think the sisters Rand stilled and who were healed tried to hide the fact that they were released from the oaths so Verin should have known of this loophole.

This felt a bit like a cheap way to boost Egwene at Verin's expense. Unless ofcourse Verin faked her death. That would be great.


That would be stupid. And impossible.
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I finished tGS last night... and really had to come back to you all. Phelix - 09/12/2009 02:11:05 AM 1991 Views
You bring up some good points BlackAdder - 09/12/2009 03:20:37 AM 1452 Views
What if Verin really WAS Black? Lord Haart - 09/12/2009 03:32:07 PM 1248 Views
Pretty much agree with you. Great Lord of Chaos - 09/12/2009 03:21:08 AM 1202 Views
Hey, long time no see. Glad you're back! *NM* Fanatic-Templar - 09/12/2009 03:28:50 AM 660 Views
Good to see you too, F-T. *NM* Phelix - 17/12/2009 09:58:26 PM 526 Views
Silly Verin! She did not need to die. Datakim - 09/12/2009 03:53:23 AM 1346 Views
Re: Silly Verin! She did not need to die. TheUltimateReality - 09/12/2009 06:11:02 AM 1208 Views
And does she know that Stilling breaks the Oaths? *NM* Fanatic-Templar - 09/12/2009 06:16:54 AM 578 Views
She should. Some of the Aes Sedai who swore to Rand had been Stilled and then Restored by Flinn. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 09/12/2009 03:18:10 PM 1199 Views
Then, wouldn't the BA/Shadow just kill her off? I think it'd be kind of obvious what she did. *NM* Fox and Ravens - 09/12/2009 03:23:05 PM 732 Views
I think that's beyond the BA's capabilities. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 09/12/2009 03:48:03 PM 1055 Views
Doesn't mean they experimented with it. Fanatic-Templar - 09/12/2009 08:48:23 PM 1095 Views
Rebels had no reason to research a way to break the oaths. Verin did. Datakim - 10/12/2009 02:00:21 AM 1202 Views
You're going at it upside-down. Fanatic-Templar - 10/12/2009 02:33:41 AM 1136 Views
Verin should have figured it out Datakim - 10/12/2009 03:03:14 AM 1125 Views
Why? Fanatic-Templar - 10/12/2009 04:15:45 AM 1157 Views
I was just rereading that section yesterday.... Light in the Night - 10/12/2009 10:52:23 AM 1369 Views
It all seems intuitively obvious to me! Datakim - 10/12/2009 07:58:46 PM 1283 Views
Will you please look at your argument? Fanatic-Templar - 10/12/2009 09:40:42 PM 1163 Views
Re: It all seems intuitively obvious to me! Light in the Night - 11/12/2009 07:38:17 AM 1217 Views
The damn Oath Rod! Datakim - 12/12/2009 01:32:47 AM 1315 Views
Just having motivation is not enough redhand - 11/12/2009 03:52:40 PM 1257 Views
Agreed, you also need a working brain. Where did Verin's go? Datakim - 12/12/2009 12:54:17 AM 1030 Views
I don't think those would work rAndy aL - 09/12/2009 07:03:38 AM 1136 Views
She should and could have found a better way. Datakim - 09/12/2009 07:41:28 AM 1178 Views
I agree. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 09/12/2009 03:16:27 PM 1031 Views
Re: She should and could have found a better way. rAndy aL - 10/12/2009 12:13:40 AM 1183 Views
Re: She should and could have found a better way. Datakim - 10/12/2009 02:30:14 AM 1138 Views
Re: Silly Verin! She did not need to die. Gerbeaud - 09/12/2009 08:44:31 PM 1257 Views
There is also this small problem of Tower Law redhand - 10/12/2009 08:24:55 AM 992 Views
I always thought Masema was an irritating distraction and was glad he was killed quickly. Tom - 09/12/2009 03:53:44 AM 1217 Views
Yes, Masema was a bore. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 09/12/2009 03:13:40 PM 1178 Views
Re: I always thought Masema was an irritating distraction and was glad he was killed quickly. @my - 09/12/2009 04:21:35 PM 1580 Views
Agreed. *NM* TaskmasterJack - 09/12/2009 09:25:02 PM 611 Views
Sidious - 09/12/2009 04:44:10 AM 1202 Views
Re: Gerbeaud - 09/12/2009 08:13:24 PM 1237 Views
Hey Mark. Phelix - 17/12/2009 10:00:58 PM 1141 Views
Great to see you again! vandevere - 09/12/2009 05:01:01 AM 1369 Views
Yep, and Sheriam ended up losing a finger or two in the process. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 09/12/2009 03:49:45 PM 1187 Views
Why do you think we'll never see Mesaana closure? *NM* lord-of-shadow - 09/12/2009 06:07:08 AM 740 Views
Re: Why do you think we'll never see Mesaana closure? TheUltimateReality - 09/12/2009 06:13:22 AM 1046 Views
It's great to see you around again! Seriana Sedai - 09/12/2009 07:06:45 AM 1169 Views
:'( j-whitt987 - 09/12/2009 11:29:03 PM 1123 Views
Good to see you too. Phelix - 17/12/2009 10:01:57 PM 1167 Views
Re: Good to see you too. Seriana Sedai - 19/12/2009 06:12:11 AM 1116 Views
Hee... gotta love zoos. Phelix - 19/12/2009 06:18:35 AM 1088 Views
Mine added up to many vet bills this week. Seriana Sedai - 19/12/2009 07:22:40 AM 1125 Views
Eeeep! Bills are not good! Phelix - 19/12/2009 07:24:36 AM 1091 Views
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LMAO! Phelix - 20/12/2009 08:25:02 AM 976 Views
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