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Rebels had no reason to research a way to break the oaths. Verin did. Datakim Send a noteboard - 10/12/2009 02:00:21 AM
When you're used to not being able to lie, you stop trying.

Also, even if they did, that doesn't mean they would talk about it. Siuan and Leane have been with the Rebels since the beginning, and it's not like it's common knowledge among the Rebels.


It took Siuan just a few days to discover she could lie. And we know the AS that Rand stilled discovered it relatively quickly too.

How many sisters must have been stilled over all the years the tower has been in existence? Hundreds? Probably thousands would be more accurate number over its entire lifespan. Is it really believable that in all those millennia and all those sisters, no one EVER studied stilling and interviewed sisters who were stilled.

I realise that this is an uncomfortable subject to most AS, but to expect that it was NEVER studied and NEVER recorded in all those years seems a bit hard for me to swallow. I have no doubt that somewhere in the towers vast libraries, there must be mention somewhere that stilling releases you from the oaths.

Verin, who knew she would have to find a way to release herself to achieve her objectives had not only a strong motivation to look for that information but also several decades of time to do so. Verin was also a brown so she should have had the skills to find out.

And thats even ignoring the fact that the sisters with Rand (who Verin had close contact with) WERE released and did not try to hide it. To believe that Verin did not know or could not have found out is just plain silly.

Even before the healing was discovered, stilling would have been a better way to release herself than drinking poison. It would have killed her eventually yes, but she would have had time to assist in the capture of the BA and guarantee that the job was done well before she died. Now that the stilling can be healed there is no rational reason that Verin should not have sought that route with all her efforts.
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I finished tGS last night... and really had to come back to you all. - 09/12/2009 02:11:05 AM 1853 Views
You bring up some good points - 09/12/2009 03:20:37 AM 1335 Views
What if Verin really WAS Black? - 09/12/2009 03:32:07 PM 1145 Views
Pretty much agree with you. - 09/12/2009 03:21:08 AM 1091 Views
Hey, long time no see. Glad you're back! *NM* - 09/12/2009 03:28:50 AM 595 Views
Good to see you too, F-T. *NM* - 17/12/2009 09:58:26 PM 464 Views
Silly Verin! She did not need to die. - 09/12/2009 03:53:23 AM 1222 Views
Re: Silly Verin! She did not need to die. - 09/12/2009 06:11:02 AM 1107 Views
And does she know that Stilling breaks the Oaths? *NM* - 09/12/2009 06:16:54 AM 516 Views
She should. Some of the Aes Sedai who swore to Rand had been Stilled and then Restored by Flinn. - 09/12/2009 03:18:10 PM 1077 Views
Then, wouldn't the BA/Shadow just kill her off? I think it'd be kind of obvious what she did. *NM* - 09/12/2009 03:23:05 PM 670 Views
I think that's beyond the BA's capabilities. - 09/12/2009 03:48:03 PM 944 Views
Doesn't mean they experimented with it. - 09/12/2009 08:48:23 PM 989 Views
Rebels had no reason to research a way to break the oaths. Verin did. - 10/12/2009 02:00:21 AM 1050 Views
You're going at it upside-down. - 10/12/2009 02:33:41 AM 1014 Views
Verin should have figured it out - 10/12/2009 03:03:14 AM 1008 Views
Why? - 10/12/2009 04:15:45 AM 995 Views
I was just rereading that section yesterday.... - 10/12/2009 10:52:23 AM 1206 Views
It all seems intuitively obvious to me! - 10/12/2009 07:58:46 PM 1165 Views
Will you please look at your argument? - 10/12/2009 09:40:42 PM 1043 Views
Re: It all seems intuitively obvious to me! - 11/12/2009 07:38:17 AM 1048 Views
The damn Oath Rod! - 12/12/2009 01:32:47 AM 1189 Views
Just having motivation is not enough - 11/12/2009 03:52:40 PM 1104 Views
Agreed, you also need a working brain. Where did Verin's go? - 12/12/2009 12:54:17 AM 901 Views
I don't think those would work - 09/12/2009 07:03:38 AM 1027 Views
She should and could have found a better way. - 09/12/2009 07:41:28 AM 1049 Views
I agree. - 09/12/2009 03:16:27 PM 907 Views
Re: She should and could have found a better way. - 10/12/2009 12:13:40 AM 1046 Views
Re: She should and could have found a better way. - 10/12/2009 02:30:14 AM 1020 Views
Re: Silly Verin! She did not need to die. - 09/12/2009 08:44:31 PM 1130 Views
There is also this small problem of Tower Law - 10/12/2009 08:24:55 AM 883 Views
I always thought Masema was an irritating distraction and was glad he was killed quickly. - 09/12/2009 03:53:44 AM 1053 Views
Yes, Masema was a bore. - 09/12/2009 03:13:40 PM 1064 Views
Agreed. *NM* - 09/12/2009 09:25:02 PM 557 Views
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Hey Mark. - 17/12/2009 10:00:58 PM 1033 Views
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Yep, and Sheriam ended up losing a finger or two in the process. - 09/12/2009 03:49:45 PM 1071 Views
Why do you think we'll never see Mesaana closure? *NM* - 09/12/2009 06:07:08 AM 671 Views
Re: Why do you think we'll never see Mesaana closure? - 09/12/2009 06:13:22 AM 933 Views
It's great to see you around again! - 09/12/2009 07:06:45 AM 1055 Views
:'( - 09/12/2009 11:29:03 PM 1013 Views
Good to see you too. - 17/12/2009 10:01:57 PM 1058 Views
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