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I have always said that Demandred is loosely based on Hannibal Barca... Shannow Send a noteboard - 15/12/2009 04:29:22 PM
The fanatics that made up Masema's Dragonsworn, or the group that had destroyed Ghealdan, was destroyed between "Knife of Dreams" and "The Gathering Storm", so I don't think the remaining Dragonsworn are able to be used in this way.

I'm still convinced that Demandred is not in the Westlands - I think it far more likely that what he is going to do, is stage an invasion comparable to Genghis Khan attacking China and Russia. Basically, a barbarian army far more fierce than the Aiel suddenly appearing from the east and laying siege to vast tracts of land in that direction.


If you look at the Forsaken generals, then Sammael is Napoleon (short and favoring grandiose schemes).

Be'lal is Julius Ceasar. He has a close cropped grey haired Roman legionary hairstyle and he has a background as a lawyer.

Lews Therin is Alexander the Great - the greatest general of the ancient world.

And Demandred is Hannibal Barca. The second greatest general of the ancient world, the Carthaginian who brought Rome to its knees.

Hannibal was from a Semitic, Mediterranean nation, and Demandred has dark hair and a hooked nose. Even their names are similar. Barid Bel Medar and Hannibal Barka. Medar has a Mediterranean connotation. Hannibal. Barid Bel. Barka. Barid. Anyway, that's my interpretation.

Hannibal was a gambler, who took elephants over the Alps and invaded Italy with an inferior force. Demandred is a gambler, has strategic vision and tactical flair. (Hannibal's Numidean Cavalry was unbeatable on the battlefield.)

And most of all, the central pillar of Hannibal's life, his lifelong crusade, was a burning hatred of Rome. He wanted to be the one who brought Rome to destruction. Sound familiar?

In Demandred's case, the hatred is focused on Lews Therin.


Now, if there is going to be any parralel between them, then I expect Demandred to invade Randland over some mountains with strange creatures or strange men

An invasion from Shara - which to me seems to be the Middle East of the Wot World would be a great parallel, in my mind.
This message last edited by Shannow on 15/12/2009 at 04:32:14 PM
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The legend of Murandy's unimportance Etzel - 15/12/2009 03:02:16 PM 1298 Views
But it's still a small country Sidious - 15/12/2009 03:06:24 PM 683 Views
Again, Murandy might be a bit smaller Etzel - 15/12/2009 03:10:11 PM 710 Views
Re: Again, Murandy might be a bit smaller Sidious - 15/12/2009 04:44:22 PM 643 Views
The Dragonsworn made chaos in half of the Westlands. Etzel - 15/12/2009 04:55:00 PM 917 Views
Agreed, only Sammael, Rhavin and Be'lal really laid claim to nations darius_sedai - 15/12/2009 07:12:17 PM 657 Views
to confirm you amirebram - 15/12/2009 10:47:22 PM 671 Views
I'm just not convinced that this would be a coup major enough to earn Demandred DO Kudos. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 15/12/2009 03:06:54 PM 680 Views
As said, controlling Murandy plus chaos by the Dragonsworn in 6 Westland nations. *NM* Etzel - 15/12/2009 03:11:25 PM 296 Views
well no, arad doman and tarabon were not his.... *NM* mazza3 - 15/12/2009 03:57:27 PM 321 Views
Umm.., care to elaborate? *NM* Etzel - 15/12/2009 04:10:15 PM 287 Views
I was pretty sure that the Dragonsworn as a fighting force were destroyed. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 15/12/2009 04:07:38 PM 619 Views
But the Dragonsworn caused much chaos everywhere they were through the series... Etzel - 15/12/2009 04:28:42 PM 596 Views
But that's not the Shadow's aim. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 15/12/2009 06:32:38 PM 659 Views
What if the only way to free the DO involves the world lacking the order necessary to contain him? darius_sedai - 15/12/2009 11:59:47 PM 608 Views
I have always said that Demandred is loosely based on Hannibal Barca... Shannow - 15/12/2009 04:29:22 PM 695 Views
Those a pretty flimsy conformities, IMO... Etzel - 15/12/2009 04:53:04 PM 644 Views
Of course.. Shannow - 15/12/2009 05:06:04 PM 649 Views
The Seanchan have elephants too ... S'redit I think they call them darius_sedai - 16/12/2009 12:04:40 AM 715 Views
Yes, but with so many Trollocs who needs vast armies of men? darius_sedai - 15/12/2009 07:15:08 PM 621 Views
Re: I'm just not convinced that this would be a coup major enough to earn Demandred DO Kudos. dadof5 - 15/12/2009 08:15:05 PM 693 Views
Re: I'm just not convinced that this would be a coup major enough to earn Demandred DO Kudos. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 15/12/2009 08:28:02 PM 602 Views
But this has been going on since at least aCoS darius_sedai - 16/12/2009 12:07:08 AM 597 Views
Re: But this has been going on since at least aCoS RugbyPlayingAshaman - 16/12/2009 03:01:00 PM 631 Views
well, it's not like the Forsaken have been particularly impressive thus far darius_sedai - 16/12/2009 06:51:38 PM 604 Views
It's about the impact of action. Timing. amirebram - 15/12/2009 10:53:03 PM 612 Views
Why does Demandred say: "We" will be ready? Why not "I" will be ready? Shannow - 15/12/2009 04:06:42 PM 801 Views
Well... Etzel - 15/12/2009 04:22:57 PM 669 Views
Re: Why does Demandred say: "We" will be ready? Why not "I" will be ready? RugbyPlayingAshaman - 15/12/2009 07:59:16 PM 645 Views
It is insignificant. Fanatic-Templar - 15/12/2009 10:49:20 PM 604 Views
It's importance lies in it's strategic location. Rurouni_Kenshin - 16/12/2009 04:46:20 AM 610 Views
I think some Murandians might mention Trollocs gathering there. Fanatic-Templar - 16/12/2009 07:05:29 AM 625 Views
what if they're wearing dresses and lady masks? *NM* Deadsy - 16/12/2009 09:10:57 AM 281 Views
Do the ladies in Murandy wear masks? I don't recall. Fanatic-Templar - 16/12/2009 09:24:46 AM 614 Views
masks to look like ladies *NM* Deadsy - 16/12/2009 04:11:07 PM 296 Views
Note to self: Avoid the Murandian ladies... *NM* BlackAdder - 16/12/2009 05:06:04 PM 297 Views
Moridin is gathering the Trollocs in the Blight, as we learn in TGS! Etzel - 16/12/2009 12:13:38 PM 609 Views
A Murandian army is insignificant. Fanatic-Templar - 16/12/2009 07:59:54 PM 597 Views
For example, the Great Captain Bryne doesn't agree with you... Etzel - 16/12/2009 08:25:19 PM 610 Views
Maybe he's based in an alternate universe? BlackAdder - 16/12/2009 09:26:53 PM 604 Views
He doesn't? Fanatic-Templar - 16/12/2009 11:37:34 PM 555 Views
Like the supposed unimportance of Murandy, it's a typical misunderstanding... Etzel - 17/12/2009 11:56:16 AM 684 Views
Re: A Murandian army is insignificant. Sidious - 16/12/2009 08:27:28 PM 626 Views
Surely you jest. Fanatic-Templar - 16/12/2009 11:39:23 PM 519 Views
Re: Surely you jest. Sidious - 17/12/2009 06:35:57 AM 580 Views
Well that depends. Fanatic-Templar - 17/12/2009 08:33:12 PM 595 Views
As said, it's additional chaos and strife. Etzel - 16/12/2009 12:01:05 PM 1002 Views
Its illogical to assume that Westlanders... Heiko - 16/12/2009 12:25:08 AM 613 Views
But that is exactly... Etzel - 16/12/2009 11:53:11 AM 621 Views
I agree mostly. It's a common RJ theme Deadsy - 16/12/2009 07:42:39 AM 646 Views
Honestly, at this point BlackAdder - 16/12/2009 09:07:35 AM 621 Views
In my view... Etzel - 16/12/2009 12:10:20 PM 585 Views
Re: In my view... BlackAdder - 16/12/2009 04:08:41 PM 603 Views
Kisman's pov shows Demandred has been involved in the BT Light in the Night - 17/12/2009 06:01:49 AM 724 Views
I think... Etzel - 17/12/2009 12:07:05 PM 570 Views
You're right Light in the Night - 17/12/2009 12:33:35 PM 617 Views
Interesting. BlackAdder - 17/12/2009 05:41:20 PM 559 Views
Aran'gar playing Demandred... Etzel - 17/12/2009 06:23:23 PM 612 Views
Ah, right that order is certainly out of character with Demandred. *NM* BlackAdder - 17/12/2009 06:40:32 PM 251 Views
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