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I have always said that Demandred is loosely based on Hannibal Barca... Shannow Send a noteboard - 15/12/2009 04:29:22 PM
The fanatics that made up Masema's Dragonsworn, or the group that had destroyed Ghealdan, was destroyed between "Knife of Dreams" and "The Gathering Storm", so I don't think the remaining Dragonsworn are able to be used in this way.

I'm still convinced that Demandred is not in the Westlands - I think it far more likely that what he is going to do, is stage an invasion comparable to Genghis Khan attacking China and Russia. Basically, a barbarian army far more fierce than the Aiel suddenly appearing from the east and laying siege to vast tracts of land in that direction.


If you look at the Forsaken generals, then Sammael is Napoleon (short and favoring grandiose schemes).

Be'lal is Julius Ceasar. He has a close cropped grey haired Roman legionary hairstyle and he has a background as a lawyer.

Lews Therin is Alexander the Great - the greatest general of the ancient world.

And Demandred is Hannibal Barca. The second greatest general of the ancient world, the Carthaginian who brought Rome to its knees.

Hannibal was from a Semitic, Mediterranean nation, and Demandred has dark hair and a hooked nose. Even their names are similar. Barid Bel Medar and Hannibal Barka. Medar has a Mediterranean connotation. Hannibal. Barid Bel. Barka. Barid. Anyway, that's my interpretation.

Hannibal was a gambler, who took elephants over the Alps and invaded Italy with an inferior force. Demandred is a gambler, has strategic vision and tactical flair. (Hannibal's Numidean Cavalry was unbeatable on the battlefield.)

And most of all, the central pillar of Hannibal's life, his lifelong crusade, was a burning hatred of Rome. He wanted to be the one who brought Rome to destruction. Sound familiar?

In Demandred's case, the hatred is focused on Lews Therin.


Now, if there is going to be any parralel between them, then I expect Demandred to invade Randland over some mountains with strange creatures or strange men

An invasion from Shara - which to me seems to be the Middle East of the Wot World would be a great parallel, in my mind.
This message last edited by Shannow on 15/12/2009 at 04:32:14 PM
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The legend of Murandy's unimportance Etzel - 15/12/2009 03:02:16 PM 1195 Views
But it's still a small country Sidious - 15/12/2009 03:06:24 PM 606 Views
Again, Murandy might be a bit smaller Etzel - 15/12/2009 03:10:11 PM 609 Views
Re: Again, Murandy might be a bit smaller Sidious - 15/12/2009 04:44:22 PM 564 Views
The Dragonsworn made chaos in half of the Westlands. Etzel - 15/12/2009 04:55:00 PM 823 Views
Agreed, only Sammael, Rhavin and Be'lal really laid claim to nations darius_sedai - 15/12/2009 07:12:17 PM 569 Views
to confirm you amirebram - 15/12/2009 10:47:22 PM 580 Views
I'm just not convinced that this would be a coup major enough to earn Demandred DO Kudos. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 15/12/2009 03:06:54 PM 576 Views
As said, controlling Murandy plus chaos by the Dragonsworn in 6 Westland nations. *NM* Etzel - 15/12/2009 03:11:25 PM 252 Views
well no, arad doman and tarabon were not his.... *NM* mazza3 - 15/12/2009 03:57:27 PM 257 Views
Umm.., care to elaborate? *NM* Etzel - 15/12/2009 04:10:15 PM 246 Views
I was pretty sure that the Dragonsworn as a fighting force were destroyed. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 15/12/2009 04:07:38 PM 527 Views
But the Dragonsworn caused much chaos everywhere they were through the series... Etzel - 15/12/2009 04:28:42 PM 514 Views
But that's not the Shadow's aim. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 15/12/2009 06:32:38 PM 537 Views
What if the only way to free the DO involves the world lacking the order necessary to contain him? darius_sedai - 15/12/2009 11:59:47 PM 507 Views
I have always said that Demandred is loosely based on Hannibal Barca... Shannow - 15/12/2009 04:29:22 PM 598 Views
Those a pretty flimsy conformities, IMO... Etzel - 15/12/2009 04:53:04 PM 559 Views
Of course.. Shannow - 15/12/2009 05:06:04 PM 533 Views
The Seanchan have elephants too ... S'redit I think they call them darius_sedai - 16/12/2009 12:04:40 AM 581 Views
Yes, but with so many Trollocs who needs vast armies of men? darius_sedai - 15/12/2009 07:15:08 PM 540 Views
Re: I'm just not convinced that this would be a coup major enough to earn Demandred DO Kudos. dadof5 - 15/12/2009 08:15:05 PM 607 Views
Re: I'm just not convinced that this would be a coup major enough to earn Demandred DO Kudos. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 15/12/2009 08:28:02 PM 521 Views
But this has been going on since at least aCoS darius_sedai - 16/12/2009 12:07:08 AM 506 Views
Re: But this has been going on since at least aCoS RugbyPlayingAshaman - 16/12/2009 03:01:00 PM 550 Views
well, it's not like the Forsaken have been particularly impressive thus far darius_sedai - 16/12/2009 06:51:38 PM 503 Views
It's about the impact of action. Timing. amirebram - 15/12/2009 10:53:03 PM 519 Views
Why does Demandred say: "We" will be ready? Why not "I" will be ready? Shannow - 15/12/2009 04:06:42 PM 684 Views
Well... Etzel - 15/12/2009 04:22:57 PM 556 Views
Re: Why does Demandred say: "We" will be ready? Why not "I" will be ready? RugbyPlayingAshaman - 15/12/2009 07:59:16 PM 553 Views
It is insignificant. Fanatic-Templar - 15/12/2009 10:49:20 PM 509 Views
It's importance lies in it's strategic location. Rurouni_Kenshin - 16/12/2009 04:46:20 AM 526 Views
I think some Murandians might mention Trollocs gathering there. Fanatic-Templar - 16/12/2009 07:05:29 AM 540 Views
what if they're wearing dresses and lady masks? *NM* Deadsy - 16/12/2009 09:10:57 AM 244 Views
Do the ladies in Murandy wear masks? I don't recall. Fanatic-Templar - 16/12/2009 09:24:46 AM 521 Views
masks to look like ladies *NM* Deadsy - 16/12/2009 04:11:07 PM 245 Views
Note to self: Avoid the Murandian ladies... *NM* BlackAdder - 16/12/2009 05:06:04 PM 257 Views
Moridin is gathering the Trollocs in the Blight, as we learn in TGS! Etzel - 16/12/2009 12:13:38 PM 502 Views
A Murandian army is insignificant. Fanatic-Templar - 16/12/2009 07:59:54 PM 515 Views
For example, the Great Captain Bryne doesn't agree with you... Etzel - 16/12/2009 08:25:19 PM 513 Views
Maybe he's based in an alternate universe? BlackAdder - 16/12/2009 09:26:53 PM 492 Views
He doesn't? Fanatic-Templar - 16/12/2009 11:37:34 PM 485 Views
Like the supposed unimportance of Murandy, it's a typical misunderstanding... Etzel - 17/12/2009 11:56:16 AM 579 Views
Re: A Murandian army is insignificant. Sidious - 16/12/2009 08:27:28 PM 540 Views
Surely you jest. Fanatic-Templar - 16/12/2009 11:39:23 PM 444 Views
Re: Surely you jest. Sidious - 17/12/2009 06:35:57 AM 506 Views
Well that depends. Fanatic-Templar - 17/12/2009 08:33:12 PM 510 Views
As said, it's additional chaos and strife. Etzel - 16/12/2009 12:01:05 PM 905 Views
Its illogical to assume that Westlanders... Heiko - 16/12/2009 12:25:08 AM 523 Views
But that is exactly... Etzel - 16/12/2009 11:53:11 AM 523 Views
I agree mostly. It's a common RJ theme Deadsy - 16/12/2009 07:42:39 AM 571 Views
Honestly, at this point BlackAdder - 16/12/2009 09:07:35 AM 525 Views
In my view... Etzel - 16/12/2009 12:10:20 PM 505 Views
Re: In my view... BlackAdder - 16/12/2009 04:08:41 PM 515 Views
Kisman's pov shows Demandred has been involved in the BT Light in the Night - 17/12/2009 06:01:49 AM 612 Views
I think... Etzel - 17/12/2009 12:07:05 PM 488 Views
You're right Light in the Night - 17/12/2009 12:33:35 PM 525 Views
Interesting. BlackAdder - 17/12/2009 05:41:20 PM 468 Views
Aran'gar playing Demandred... Etzel - 17/12/2009 06:23:23 PM 510 Views
Ah, right that order is certainly out of character with Demandred. *NM* BlackAdder - 17/12/2009 06:40:32 PM 215 Views
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