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For example, the Great Captain Bryne doesn't agree with you... Etzel Send a noteboard - 16/12/2009 08:25:19 PM
They're not going to be fighting alongside real Shadow troops, and by themselves they're even less effective than the Trolloc army that attacked Rand in Knife of Dreams.

As for the Dragonsworn, I've been convinced by DomA that they're the work of Lanfear.


Plot-wise it also doesn't make any sense that RJ would let Roedran gather an army since WH, which is insignificant.

Consider e.g. that, while Moridin launches his Shadowspawn invasion from the Blight, Demandred would attack Andor with Roedran's army (possibly supported by Taim's cronies & BA). We know that Roedran had spies in the Caemlyn Palace.

At the same time Demandred could order his Dragonsworn bands to make guerilla attacks on cities, towns and villages in half of all the Westlands' nations to throw them yet into more chaos. Besides that, the DF gathered by Moghedien and Cyndane will raise in all the Westlands.

If Demandred managed to get most of the Dragonsworn leaders in the west under his thumb plus Murandy, it would explain why he was quite busy and how he greatly served chaos. Besides, Demandred is probably a general as good as the Great Captains, and look what Ituralde achieved (Ituralde even says with 100 AM added to his troops, he could probably smash the entire Seanchan army).

To me such a sceanrio seems much more satisfying than a complete deux ex machina Sharan army or - even worse - one from the Land of the Madmen (which is only mentioned in the Guide).
This message last edited by Etzel on 16/12/2009 at 08:35:17 PM
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The legend of Murandy's unimportance Etzel - 15/12/2009 03:02:16 PM 1268 Views
But it's still a small country Sidious - 15/12/2009 03:06:24 PM 659 Views
Again, Murandy might be a bit smaller Etzel - 15/12/2009 03:10:11 PM 678 Views
Re: Again, Murandy might be a bit smaller Sidious - 15/12/2009 04:44:22 PM 615 Views
The Dragonsworn made chaos in half of the Westlands. Etzel - 15/12/2009 04:55:00 PM 888 Views
Agreed, only Sammael, Rhavin and Be'lal really laid claim to nations darius_sedai - 15/12/2009 07:12:17 PM 624 Views
to confirm you amirebram - 15/12/2009 10:47:22 PM 640 Views
I'm just not convinced that this would be a coup major enough to earn Demandred DO Kudos. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 15/12/2009 03:06:54 PM 638 Views
As said, controlling Murandy plus chaos by the Dragonsworn in 6 Westland nations. *NM* Etzel - 15/12/2009 03:11:25 PM 283 Views
well no, arad doman and tarabon were not his.... *NM* mazza3 - 15/12/2009 03:57:27 PM 303 Views
Umm.., care to elaborate? *NM* Etzel - 15/12/2009 04:10:15 PM 272 Views
I was pretty sure that the Dragonsworn as a fighting force were destroyed. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 15/12/2009 04:07:38 PM 589 Views
But the Dragonsworn caused much chaos everywhere they were through the series... Etzel - 15/12/2009 04:28:42 PM 566 Views
But that's not the Shadow's aim. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 15/12/2009 06:32:38 PM 616 Views
What if the only way to free the DO involves the world lacking the order necessary to contain him? darius_sedai - 15/12/2009 11:59:47 PM 581 Views
I have always said that Demandred is loosely based on Hannibal Barca... Shannow - 15/12/2009 04:29:22 PM 665 Views
Those a pretty flimsy conformities, IMO... Etzel - 15/12/2009 04:53:04 PM 612 Views
Of course.. Shannow - 15/12/2009 05:06:04 PM 608 Views
The Seanchan have elephants too ... S'redit I think they call them darius_sedai - 16/12/2009 12:04:40 AM 668 Views
Yes, but with so many Trollocs who needs vast armies of men? darius_sedai - 15/12/2009 07:15:08 PM 588 Views
Re: I'm just not convinced that this would be a coup major enough to earn Demandred DO Kudos. dadof5 - 15/12/2009 08:15:05 PM 657 Views
Re: I'm just not convinced that this would be a coup major enough to earn Demandred DO Kudos. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 15/12/2009 08:28:02 PM 575 Views
But this has been going on since at least aCoS darius_sedai - 16/12/2009 12:07:08 AM 560 Views
Re: But this has been going on since at least aCoS RugbyPlayingAshaman - 16/12/2009 03:01:00 PM 608 Views
well, it's not like the Forsaken have been particularly impressive thus far darius_sedai - 16/12/2009 06:51:38 PM 572 Views
It's about the impact of action. Timing. amirebram - 15/12/2009 10:53:03 PM 577 Views
Why does Demandred say: "We" will be ready? Why not "I" will be ready? Shannow - 15/12/2009 04:06:42 PM 766 Views
Well... Etzel - 15/12/2009 04:22:57 PM 633 Views
Re: Why does Demandred say: "We" will be ready? Why not "I" will be ready? RugbyPlayingAshaman - 15/12/2009 07:59:16 PM 606 Views
It is insignificant. Fanatic-Templar - 15/12/2009 10:49:20 PM 570 Views
It's importance lies in it's strategic location. Rurouni_Kenshin - 16/12/2009 04:46:20 AM 574 Views
I think some Murandians might mention Trollocs gathering there. Fanatic-Templar - 16/12/2009 07:05:29 AM 597 Views
what if they're wearing dresses and lady masks? *NM* Deadsy - 16/12/2009 09:10:57 AM 270 Views
Do the ladies in Murandy wear masks? I don't recall. Fanatic-Templar - 16/12/2009 09:24:46 AM 582 Views
masks to look like ladies *NM* Deadsy - 16/12/2009 04:11:07 PM 272 Views
Note to self: Avoid the Murandian ladies... *NM* BlackAdder - 16/12/2009 05:06:04 PM 283 Views
Moridin is gathering the Trollocs in the Blight, as we learn in TGS! Etzel - 16/12/2009 12:13:38 PM 574 Views
A Murandian army is insignificant. Fanatic-Templar - 16/12/2009 07:59:54 PM 568 Views
For example, the Great Captain Bryne doesn't agree with you... Etzel - 16/12/2009 08:25:19 PM 577 Views
Maybe he's based in an alternate universe? BlackAdder - 16/12/2009 09:26:53 PM 567 Views
He doesn't? Fanatic-Templar - 16/12/2009 11:37:34 PM 530 Views
Like the supposed unimportance of Murandy, it's a typical misunderstanding... Etzel - 17/12/2009 11:56:16 AM 657 Views
Re: A Murandian army is insignificant. Sidious - 16/12/2009 08:27:28 PM 588 Views
Surely you jest. Fanatic-Templar - 16/12/2009 11:39:23 PM 489 Views
Re: Surely you jest. Sidious - 17/12/2009 06:35:57 AM 555 Views
Well that depends. Fanatic-Templar - 17/12/2009 08:33:12 PM 567 Views
As said, it's additional chaos and strife. Etzel - 16/12/2009 12:01:05 PM 963 Views
Its illogical to assume that Westlanders... Heiko - 16/12/2009 12:25:08 AM 578 Views
But that is exactly... Etzel - 16/12/2009 11:53:11 AM 583 Views
I agree mostly. It's a common RJ theme Deadsy - 16/12/2009 07:42:39 AM 620 Views
Honestly, at this point BlackAdder - 16/12/2009 09:07:35 AM 574 Views
In my view... Etzel - 16/12/2009 12:10:20 PM 556 Views
Re: In my view... BlackAdder - 16/12/2009 04:08:41 PM 567 Views
Kisman's pov shows Demandred has been involved in the BT Light in the Night - 17/12/2009 06:01:49 AM 686 Views
I think... Etzel - 17/12/2009 12:07:05 PM 545 Views
You're right Light in the Night - 17/12/2009 12:33:35 PM 583 Views
Interesting. BlackAdder - 17/12/2009 05:41:20 PM 528 Views
Aran'gar playing Demandred... Etzel - 17/12/2009 06:23:23 PM 582 Views
Ah, right that order is certainly out of character with Demandred. *NM* BlackAdder - 17/12/2009 06:40:32 PM 237 Views
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