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Re: Except tthat Egwene herself says she has no chance against Moghedien... RugbyPlayingAshaman Send a noteboard - 17/12/2009 07:26:55 PM
It shows that Moghedien is a step above Egwene alone, and this squares with my statement that Nynaeve not being stronger than two women out of the group of Egwene, Elayne and Aviendha Linked. This also accounts for Moghedien's reaction upon meeting Elayne and Nynaeve; Elayne was not near her full potential then, but Nynaeve was already close to Moghediens' strength - both were dangerous, but it was Nynaeve that Moghedien thought could cause more than some difficulty for Rahvin.

Rand, for example, has no chance against any of the Forsaken if they came against him in a Link - if only two Linked, he wouldn't be a match; especially since so many of the more aggressive males are close to him in strength. If Lanfear had Linked with another female, I think it would be another match not in his favor.

The closer in power you are to someone else, the less easy it is to easy Shield and dispose of them or neutralize their weaves (ie: overwhelming them). Egwene might not have a chance against Moghedien alone because Moghedien may simply be 20-25% stronger; a significant enough differentce that Moghedien could hold a Shield on Egwene without much effort while weaving a killing blow.

To put what Egwene is thinking in perspective, she has never fought to the death against a Forsaken - she doesn't really know that Moghedien is a coward, nor does she know Moghedien's combat capabilities. Moghedien is actually quite undeveloped in that area - she could have destroyed Nynaeve in a flash back in the Panarch's Palace, but instead she went for the least accurate means of defeating another channeler possible. This indicates something. Moghedien could gauge Nynaeve's strength; she already had earlier in the book. Instead of taking Nynaeve out in a surprise attack, she was beaten by her own lack of fighting capability. She didn't want to fight to the death - she wanted to capture someone in her web, and she in her turn, was captured. I think Egwene herself is quite capable of destroying Moghedien because she is not a coward, and has learned from her mistake - some threats must be killed when you have the chance, rather than captured or neutralized, because it isn't a game.
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The relative strength in the Power of Nynaeve vs Cadsuane vs Egwene/Elayne/Aviendha - 17/12/2009 03:32:03 PM 9035 Views
I assume you're referring to EFFECTIVE strength here... - 17/12/2009 04:27:53 PM 1848 Views
Re: I assume you're referring to EFFECTIVE strength here... - 17/12/2009 05:05:18 PM 1803 Views
Fair enough but the problem is... - 17/12/2009 05:13:39 PM 1606 Views
There's one thing that does suggest Lanfear is very dextrous... - 17/12/2009 05:49:14 PM 1692 Views
Re: Fair enough but the problem is... - 17/12/2009 08:08:27 PM 1275 Views
Re: The relative strength in the Power of Nynaeve vs Cadsuane vs Egwene/Elayne/Aviendha - 17/12/2009 04:52:56 PM 1873 Views
Alivia's rings and chains angreal multiplies strength by 4 times or more... - 17/12/2009 04:57:17 PM 1584 Views
Indeed, and not only that - 17/12/2009 05:10:46 PM 1268 Views
Re: Alivia's rings and chains angreal multiplies strength by 4 times or more... - 17/12/2009 06:07:39 PM 1310 Views
Moiraine at 45 strength is way too high. She can't be that high. *NM* - 17/12/2009 07:44:50 PM 828 Views
why? - 17/12/2009 07:57:37 PM 1401 Views
Re: why? - 17/12/2009 08:11:13 PM 1460 Views
I don't think there is one scale you can put both men and women on is the point - 17/12/2009 08:21:21 PM 1435 Views
and yet RJ does - 17/12/2009 08:27:39 PM 1356 Views
Re: and yet RJ does - 17/12/2009 09:49:20 PM 1203 Views
Re: and yet RJ does - 18/12/2009 04:20:16 AM 1269 Views
No more liberty than you are taking assuming only a woman like Graendal could do it! - 18/12/2009 05:08:04 PM 1417 Views
Re: No more liberty than you are taking assuming only a woman like Graendal could do it! - 19/12/2009 11:53:24 AM 1180 Views
Re: No more liberty than you are taking assuming only a woman like Graendal could do it! - 19/12/2009 05:12:47 PM 1096 Views
Meh... - 19/12/2009 06:01:56 PM 1107 Views
Re: Meh... - 19/12/2009 06:43:58 PM 1171 Views
Re: Meh... - 19/12/2009 06:46:03 PM 1462 Views
Re: The relative strength in the Power of Nynaeve vs Cadsuane vs Egwene/Elayne/Aviendha - 17/12/2009 05:07:28 PM 1388 Views
Re: The relative strength in the Power of Nynaeve vs Cadsuane vs Egwene/Elayne/Aviendha - 17/12/2009 06:24:12 PM 1351 Views
Let's work with your figures... - 17/12/2009 06:45:46 PM 1237 Views
Re: Let's work with your figures... - 17/12/2009 07:16:49 PM 1222 Views
You have a good point about Daigian and Semirhage. That may have been a BS mistake. *NM* - 17/12/2009 07:50:25 PM 801 Views
Re: You have a good point about Daigian and Semirhage. That may have been a BS mistake. - 17/12/2009 07:59:13 PM 1320 Views
Still, it's created more questions than it has solved. - 17/12/2009 08:13:26 PM 1343 Views
the obvious answer - 17/12/2009 10:06:33 PM 1184 Views
Re: You have a good point about Daigian and Semirhage. That may have been a BS mistake. - 17/12/2009 08:14:01 PM 1226 Views
Re: two women holding Nynaeve - 17/12/2009 08:17:10 PM 1175 Views
Re: two women holding Nynaeve - 17/12/2009 08:19:34 PM 1356 Views
I personally think Nynaeve gained strength slower than most because of her block. - 17/12/2009 08:30:44 PM 1459 Views
I think all the main characters were forced - 17/12/2009 08:38:41 PM 1326 Views
agreed! - 17/12/2009 10:01:37 PM 1239 Views
but we know as late as WH that she has not reached her full potential - 17/12/2009 09:50:12 PM 1253 Views
What? Where? *NM* - 18/12/2009 04:22:36 AM 1299 Views
I'll have to dig up the quote, apologies but I'm at work and don't have the books - 18/12/2009 05:00:20 PM 1248 Views
Sorry, Path of Daggers not Winter's Heart - 20/12/2009 03:32:33 AM 1193 Views
Don't links amplify stength? - 17/12/2009 10:26:12 PM 1156 Views
The opposite, actually. - 17/12/2009 10:36:51 PM 1246 Views
What do you think of the gap between Moghedien and Semirhage in relation to - 17/12/2009 05:40:41 PM 1393 Views
Re: What do you think of the gap between Moghedien and Semirhage in relation to - 17/12/2009 08:15:58 PM 1289 Views
Agreed! *NM* - 17/12/2009 08:19:08 PM 715 Views
Re: The relative strength in the Power of Nynaeve vs Cadsuane vs Egwene/Elayne/Aviendha - 17/12/2009 06:47:23 PM 1413 Views
Except tthat Egwene herself says she has no chance against Moghedien... - 17/12/2009 06:53:18 PM 1334 Views
Re: Except tthat Egwene herself says she has no chance against Moghedien... - 17/12/2009 07:26:55 PM 1536 Views
uhm.... yes she knows - 17/12/2009 08:04:08 PM 1383 Views
Re: uhm.... yes she knows - 17/12/2009 10:24:17 PM 1257 Views
yup *NM* - 17/12/2009 10:49:51 PM 661 Views
Re: Except tthat Egwene herself says she has no chance against Moghedien... - 17/12/2009 07:28:00 PM 1332 Views
Re: Except tthat Egwene herself says she has no chance against Moghedien... - 17/12/2009 08:23:01 PM 1520 Views
Ishamael told her that she would never be strong enough to face him - 17/12/2009 09:52:47 PM 1285 Views
And Ishamael was killed be a shepherd and Bel'al balefired by a "weak" Aes Sedai. - 17/12/2009 10:33:41 PM 1269 Views
I hope that's not your standard for dueling - 18/12/2009 04:24:09 AM 1246 Views
what you expect a Channeler to announce themselves and - 19/12/2009 12:47:17 AM 1243 Views
How can we be certain Egwene was at full strength when she said that? - 17/12/2009 07:58:39 PM 1202 Views
agreed - 17/12/2009 08:00:40 PM 1160 Views
Didn't the glossary say that Cadsuane was not far behind Eg/El? *NM* - 17/12/2009 08:05:32 PM 728 Views
I'll check *NM* - 17/12/2009 08:28:57 PM 677 Views
This thread has achieved absolutely nothing. When people don't accept quotes, what's the use... - 17/12/2009 10:22:45 PM 1298 Views
No people just interpret things differently - 17/12/2009 10:56:45 PM 1097 Views
But you ignore RJ's own quotes... who're you to talk? - 17/12/2009 11:13:40 PM 1055 Views
You also forget something. - 17/12/2009 11:36:50 PM 1159 Views
Re: You also forget something. - 17/12/2009 11:43:50 PM 1160 Views
Re: You also forget something. - 18/12/2009 02:09:08 AM 1178 Views
That has nothing to do with what I said... - 18/12/2009 12:21:06 AM 1163 Views
Re: That has nothing to do with what I said... - 18/12/2009 01:28:53 PM 1074 Views
Dude, prove it in a random sample, not in a skewed sample like "women who want to be Aes Sedai". - 18/12/2009 05:43:22 PM 1111 Views
Show me a random sample in the series that we can use *NM* - 18/12/2009 06:45:08 PM 1095 Views
I cannot. That's the point... - 18/12/2009 08:33:38 PM 1146 Views
Re: I cannot. That's the point... - 19/12/2009 11:58:39 AM 1164 Views
Sorry, but no... - 19/12/2009 06:23:41 PM 1168 Views
The One Power Bell Curve's average strength is not 50, it is more like 15... - 17/12/2009 11:41:48 PM 1653 Views
but you are the person quantifying the actual strength levels. - 18/12/2009 12:09:08 AM 1150 Views
Yes, Sidious' scale is a relative scale not an absolute one *NM* - 18/12/2009 12:23:25 AM 1046 Views
In a Bell curve, mean=median=mode. I suppose that is untrue now? - 18/12/2009 12:37:47 AM 1083 Views
Re: In a Bell curve, mean=median=mode. I suppose that is untrue now? - 18/12/2009 12:47:52 AM 1148 Views
What do you mean, relative scale? - 18/12/2009 12:53:29 AM 1072 Views
Re: What do you mean, relative scale? - 18/12/2009 01:16:53 AM 1041 Views
Re: What do you mean, relative scale? - 18/12/2009 01:40:33 AM 1135 Views
OK, I have no interest in OP Strength, but you comments about statistics and bell curve got me - 18/12/2009 12:20:27 AM 1143 Views
1 to 100 works perfectly well as a range... - 18/12/2009 12:47:44 AM 1049 Views
Here is an example with an absolute scale, converted to relative - 18/12/2009 01:03:38 AM 1233 Views
The Tower is not the whole range of channeler population! - 18/12/2009 01:28:38 AM 1199 Views
Re: The Tower is not the whole range of channeler population! - 18/12/2009 02:03:00 AM 1255 Views
Re: The Tower is not the whole range of channeler population! - 18/12/2009 03:16:25 AM 1215 Views
You're right, and that proves my point - here are the calculations and the evidence... - 18/12/2009 07:51:26 AM 1188 Views
Dude, read up on some statistics, then we'll continue this debate... - 18/12/2009 06:05:26 PM 1082 Views
Explain one thing to me... - 18/12/2009 10:40:00 PM 1122 Views
Who said she's stronger than two very strong AS? Silviana can shield her alone! *NM* - 18/12/2009 11:01:01 PM 620 Views
Aviendha said so in FoH. It is a direct quote. - 18/12/2009 11:04:21 PM 1074 Views
This is why I have a hard time with anyone using too many - 19/12/2009 12:22:40 AM 1114 Views
Can you provide the quote? - 19/12/2009 06:24:40 PM 1040 Views
Well, I was curious so I went and found it - 26/12/2009 08:59:46 PM 1228 Views
which is also suspect - 19/12/2009 12:04:14 AM 1143 Views
No it's not - 19/12/2009 12:04:21 PM 1103 Views
we're in agreement - 19/12/2009 05:22:34 PM 1061 Views
OK, the Tower AS don't fall into a bell-curve, then. - 18/12/2009 10:34:16 PM 1144 Views
So, RJ made that statement for what reason? - 18/12/2009 11:03:30 PM 1105 Views
I don't think it's a lie - 18/12/2009 11:19:41 PM 1150 Views
Agreed - 18/12/2009 01:04:14 PM 1101 Views
Re: But you ignore RJ's own quotes... who're you to talk? - 18/12/2009 04:31:53 AM 1094 Views
Re: But you ignore RJ's own quotes... who're you to talk? - 18/12/2009 04:42:33 AM 1060 Views
Re: But you ignore RJ's own quotes... who're you to talk? - 18/12/2009 01:04:39 PM 1135 Views
Bell curves CANNOT be skewed! - 18/12/2009 06:06:15 PM 1176 Views
I've discussed this before... - 18/12/2009 01:06:07 AM 1186 Views
Re: I've discussed this before... - 18/12/2009 04:37:30 AM 1196 Views
Re: I've discussed this before... - 18/12/2009 04:58:48 AM 1142 Views
Egwene + Lelaine + Romanda is weaker than one male Forsaken...according to Egwene herself... - 18/12/2009 07:02:28 AM 1181 Views
Why are you entertaining this? - 18/12/2009 01:19:25 PM 1125 Views
Re: Egwene + Lelaine + Romanda is weaker than one male Forsaken...according to Egwene herself... - 19/12/2009 12:46:18 AM 1134 Views
I can't imagine it being about skill - 19/12/2009 12:06:42 PM 1164 Views
of course it's about skill - 19/12/2009 05:22:45 PM 1152 Views
Not it isn't! - 19/12/2009 05:52:02 PM 1182 Views
I always thought that without her angreal... - 18/12/2009 06:27:07 AM 1247 Views
Egwene, Elayne, and Aviendha are equally matched. - 18/12/2009 07:47:03 AM 1362 Views

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