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why? darius_sedai Send a noteboard - 17/12/2009 07:57:37 PM
She's strong enough to use the Choeden Kal according to the text. Why would they make a super-sa'angreal that any weak woman of the age could use?
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The relative strength in the Power of Nynaeve vs Cadsuane vs Egwene/Elayne/Aviendha Sidious - 17/12/2009 03:32:03 PM 9349 Views
I assume you're referring to EFFECTIVE strength here... Shannow - 17/12/2009 04:27:53 PM 1905 Views
Re: I assume you're referring to EFFECTIVE strength here... Sidious - 17/12/2009 05:05:18 PM 1847 Views
Fair enough but the problem is... Shannow - 17/12/2009 05:13:39 PM 1655 Views
There's one thing that does suggest Lanfear is very dextrous... fionwe1987 - 17/12/2009 05:49:14 PM 1739 Views
Re: Fair enough but the problem is... Sidious - 17/12/2009 08:08:27 PM 1324 Views
Re: The relative strength in the Power of Nynaeve vs Cadsuane vs Egwene/Elayne/Aviendha darius_sedai - 17/12/2009 04:52:56 PM 1944 Views
Alivia's rings and chains angreal multiplies strength by 4 times or more... Shannow - 17/12/2009 04:57:17 PM 1625 Views
Indeed, and not only that Sidious - 17/12/2009 05:10:46 PM 1312 Views
Re: Alivia's rings and chains angreal multiplies strength by 4 times or more... darius_sedai - 17/12/2009 06:07:39 PM 1361 Views
Moiraine at 45 strength is way too high. She can't be that high. *NM* Logain - 17/12/2009 07:44:50 PM 845 Views
why? darius_sedai - 17/12/2009 07:57:37 PM 1449 Views
Re: why? Sidious - 17/12/2009 08:11:13 PM 1503 Views
I don't think there is one scale you can put both men and women on is the point darius_sedai - 17/12/2009 08:21:21 PM 1474 Views
and yet RJ does Sidious - 17/12/2009 08:27:39 PM 1404 Views
Re: and yet RJ does darius_sedai - 17/12/2009 09:49:20 PM 1255 Views
Re: and yet RJ does Sidious - 18/12/2009 04:20:16 AM 1317 Views
No more liberty than you are taking assuming only a woman like Graendal could do it! darius_sedai - 18/12/2009 05:08:04 PM 1461 Views
Re: No more liberty than you are taking assuming only a woman like Graendal could do it! Sidious - 19/12/2009 11:53:24 AM 1231 Views
Re: No more liberty than you are taking assuming only a woman like Graendal could do it! darius_sedai - 19/12/2009 05:12:47 PM 1139 Views
Meh... Sidious - 19/12/2009 06:01:56 PM 1155 Views
Re: Meh... darius_sedai - 19/12/2009 06:43:58 PM 1219 Views
Re: Meh... darius_sedai - 19/12/2009 06:46:03 PM 1502 Views
Re: The relative strength in the Power of Nynaeve vs Cadsuane vs Egwene/Elayne/Aviendha Sidious - 17/12/2009 05:07:28 PM 1438 Views
Re: The relative strength in the Power of Nynaeve vs Cadsuane vs Egwene/Elayne/Aviendha darius_sedai - 17/12/2009 06:24:12 PM 1396 Views
Let's work with your figures... Shannow - 17/12/2009 06:45:46 PM 1276 Views
Re: Let's work with your figures... darius_sedai - 17/12/2009 07:16:49 PM 1262 Views
You have a good point about Daigian and Semirhage. That may have been a BS mistake. *NM* Logain - 17/12/2009 07:50:25 PM 818 Views
Re: You have a good point about Daigian and Semirhage. That may have been a BS mistake. darius_sedai - 17/12/2009 07:59:13 PM 1363 Views
Still, it's created more questions than it has solved. Logain - 17/12/2009 08:13:26 PM 1389 Views
the obvious answer darius_sedai - 17/12/2009 10:06:33 PM 1235 Views
Re: You have a good point about Daigian and Semirhage. That may have been a BS mistake. Sidious - 17/12/2009 08:14:01 PM 1263 Views
Re: two women holding Nynaeve Logain - 17/12/2009 08:17:10 PM 1218 Views
Re: two women holding Nynaeve Sidious - 17/12/2009 08:19:34 PM 1402 Views
I personally think Nynaeve gained strength slower than most because of her block. Logain - 17/12/2009 08:30:44 PM 1504 Views
I think all the main characters were forced Sidious - 17/12/2009 08:38:41 PM 1367 Views
agreed! darius_sedai - 17/12/2009 10:01:37 PM 1275 Views
but we know as late as WH that she has not reached her full potential darius_sedai - 17/12/2009 09:50:12 PM 1297 Views
What? Where? *NM* Sidious - 18/12/2009 04:22:36 AM 1337 Views
I'll have to dig up the quote, apologies but I'm at work and don't have the books darius_sedai - 18/12/2009 05:00:20 PM 1297 Views
Sorry, Path of Daggers not Winter's Heart darius_sedai - 20/12/2009 03:32:33 AM 1235 Views
Don't links amplify stength? BlackAdder - 17/12/2009 10:26:12 PM 1207 Views
The opposite, actually. Phelix - 17/12/2009 10:36:51 PM 1291 Views
Gateway theory refutes this. The size of gateway is relevant to strength Logain - 17/12/2009 07:46:55 PM 1180 Views
Re: Gateway theory refutes this. The size of gateway is relevant to strength darius_sedai - 17/12/2009 07:55:38 PM 1397 Views
What do you think of the gap between Moghedien and Semirhage in relation to Logain - 17/12/2009 05:40:41 PM 1443 Views
It means even Moghedien is vastly stronger than the average modern Aes Sedai... Shannow - 17/12/2009 05:48:09 PM 1475 Views
Re: What do you think of the gap between Moghedien and Semirhage in relation to Sidious - 17/12/2009 08:15:58 PM 1327 Views
Agreed! *NM* Logain - 17/12/2009 08:19:08 PM 735 Views
Re: The relative strength in the Power of Nynaeve vs Cadsuane vs Egwene/Elayne/Aviendha RugbyPlayingAshaman - 17/12/2009 06:47:23 PM 1452 Views
Except tthat Egwene herself says she has no chance against Moghedien... Shannow - 17/12/2009 06:53:18 PM 1374 Views
Re: Except tthat Egwene herself says she has no chance against Moghedien... RugbyPlayingAshaman - 17/12/2009 07:26:55 PM 1575 Views
uhm.... yes she knows Oberonus - 17/12/2009 08:04:08 PM 1420 Views
Re: uhm.... yes she knows RugbyPlayingAshaman - 17/12/2009 10:24:17 PM 1305 Views
yup *NM* darius_sedai - 17/12/2009 10:49:51 PM 679 Views
Re: Except tthat Egwene herself says she has no chance against Moghedien... darius_sedai - 17/12/2009 07:28:00 PM 1379 Views
Re: Except tthat Egwene herself says she has no chance against Moghedien... Sidious - 17/12/2009 08:23:01 PM 1569 Views
Ishamael told her that she would never be strong enough to face him darius_sedai - 17/12/2009 09:52:47 PM 1325 Views
And Ishamael was killed be a shepherd and Bel'al balefired by a "weak" Aes Sedai. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 17/12/2009 10:33:41 PM 1318 Views
I hope that's not your standard for dueling Sidious - 18/12/2009 04:24:09 AM 1286 Views
what you expect a Channeler to announce themselves and darius_sedai - 19/12/2009 12:47:17 AM 1281 Views
How can we be certain Egwene was at full strength when she said that? Logain - 17/12/2009 07:58:39 PM 1247 Views
agreed darius_sedai - 17/12/2009 08:00:40 PM 1214 Views
Elayne says Egwene was at her full strength in TSR, and thus was stronger than she currently was. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 17/12/2009 10:25:31 PM 1167 Views
Elayne says Egwene was forced and was thus currently stronger darius_sedai - 17/12/2009 10:51:28 PM 1198 Views
Definitely TSR, because I re-read that book constantly - will try to find the section! RugbyPlayingAshaman - 17/12/2009 11:23:20 PM 1193 Views
Re: Definitely TSR, because I re-read that book constantly - will try to find the section! darius_sedai - 17/12/2009 11:25:31 PM 1245 Views
Didn't the glossary say that Cadsuane was not far behind Eg/El? *NM* Cannoli - 17/12/2009 08:05:32 PM 747 Views
I'll check *NM* Sidious - 17/12/2009 08:28:57 PM 692 Views
This thread has achieved absolutely nothing. When people don't accept quotes, what's the use... Shannow - 17/12/2009 10:22:45 PM 1334 Views
No people just interpret things differently darius_sedai - 17/12/2009 10:56:45 PM 1148 Views
But you ignore RJ's own quotes... who're you to talk? fionwe1987 - 17/12/2009 11:13:40 PM 1096 Views
I think they are secretly just trying to make Lanfear appear that much stronger *NM* darius_sedai - 17/12/2009 11:17:38 PM 667 Views
You also forget something. Phelix - 17/12/2009 11:36:50 PM 1202 Views
Re: You also forget something. darius_sedai - 17/12/2009 11:43:50 PM 1205 Views
Re: You also forget something. Phelix - 18/12/2009 02:09:08 AM 1221 Views
That has nothing to do with what I said... fionwe1987 - 18/12/2009 12:21:06 AM 1209 Views
Re: That has nothing to do with what I said... Sidious - 18/12/2009 01:28:53 PM 1122 Views
Dude, prove it in a random sample, not in a skewed sample like "women who want to be Aes Sedai". fionwe1987 - 18/12/2009 05:43:22 PM 1159 Views
Show me a random sample in the series that we can use *NM* Sidious - 18/12/2009 06:45:08 PM 1132 Views
I cannot. That's the point... fionwe1987 - 18/12/2009 08:33:38 PM 1188 Views
Re: I cannot. That's the point... Sidious - 19/12/2009 11:58:39 AM 1210 Views
Sorry, but no... fionwe1987 - 19/12/2009 06:23:41 PM 1214 Views
The One Power Bell Curve's average strength is not 50, it is more like 15... Shannow - 17/12/2009 11:41:48 PM 1698 Views
but you are the person quantifying the actual strength levels. darius_sedai - 18/12/2009 12:09:08 AM 1198 Views
Yes, Sidious' scale is a relative scale not an absolute one *NM* BlackAdder - 18/12/2009 12:23:25 AM 1103 Views
In a Bell curve, mean=median=mode. I suppose that is untrue now? fionwe1987 - 18/12/2009 12:37:47 AM 1131 Views
Re: In a Bell curve, mean=median=mode. I suppose that is untrue now? BlackAdder - 18/12/2009 12:47:52 AM 1188 Views
What do you mean, relative scale? fionwe1987 - 18/12/2009 12:53:29 AM 1111 Views
Re: What do you mean, relative scale? BlackAdder - 18/12/2009 01:16:53 AM 1083 Views
Re: What do you mean, relative scale? fionwe1987 - 18/12/2009 01:40:33 AM 1190 Views
OK, I have no interest in OP Strength, but you comments about statistics and bell curve got me BlackAdder - 18/12/2009 12:20:27 AM 1194 Views
1 to 100 works perfectly well as a range... fionwe1987 - 18/12/2009 12:47:44 AM 1094 Views
Here is an example with an absolute scale, converted to relative BlackAdder - 18/12/2009 01:03:38 AM 1280 Views
The Tower is not the whole range of channeler population! fionwe1987 - 18/12/2009 01:28:38 AM 1236 Views
Re: The Tower is not the whole range of channeler population! BlackAdder - 18/12/2009 02:03:00 AM 1300 Views
Re: The Tower is not the whole range of channeler population! fionwe1987 - 18/12/2009 03:16:25 AM 1263 Views
You're right, and that proves my point - here are the calculations and the evidence... Shannow - 18/12/2009 07:51:26 AM 1232 Views
Dude, read up on some statistics, then we'll continue this debate... fionwe1987 - 18/12/2009 06:05:26 PM 1126 Views
Explain one thing to me... Shannow - 18/12/2009 10:40:00 PM 1159 Views
Who said she's stronger than two very strong AS? Silviana can shield her alone! *NM* fionwe1987 - 18/12/2009 11:01:01 PM 645 Views
Aviendha said so in FoH. It is a direct quote. Shannow - 18/12/2009 11:04:21 PM 1117 Views
This is why I have a hard time with anyone using too many darius_sedai - 19/12/2009 12:22:40 AM 1155 Views
Can you provide the quote? fionwe1987 - 19/12/2009 06:24:40 PM 1080 Views
Well, I was curious so I went and found it darius_sedai - 26/12/2009 08:59:46 PM 1268 Views
which is also suspect darius_sedai - 19/12/2009 12:04:14 AM 1191 Views
No it's not Sidious - 19/12/2009 12:04:21 PM 1145 Views
we're in agreement darius_sedai - 19/12/2009 05:22:34 PM 1106 Views
OK, the Tower AS don't fall into a bell-curve, then. BlackAdder - 18/12/2009 10:34:16 PM 1178 Views
So, RJ made that statement for what reason? fionwe1987 - 18/12/2009 11:03:30 PM 1147 Views
I don't think it's a lie BlackAdder - 18/12/2009 11:19:41 PM 1204 Views
Agreed Sidious - 18/12/2009 01:04:14 PM 1143 Views
Re: But you ignore RJ's own quotes... who're you to talk? Sidious - 18/12/2009 04:31:53 AM 1147 Views
Re: But you ignore RJ's own quotes... who're you to talk? fionwe1987 - 18/12/2009 04:42:33 AM 1107 Views
Re: But you ignore RJ's own quotes... who're you to talk? Sidious - 18/12/2009 01:04:39 PM 1178 Views
Bell curves CANNOT be skewed! fionwe1987 - 18/12/2009 06:06:15 PM 1219 Views
I've discussed this before... fionwe1987 - 18/12/2009 01:06:07 AM 1226 Views
Re: I've discussed this before... Sidious - 18/12/2009 04:37:30 AM 1241 Views
Re: I've discussed this before... fionwe1987 - 18/12/2009 04:58:48 AM 1199 Views
Egwene + Lelaine + Romanda is weaker than one male Forsaken...according to Egwene herself... Shannow - 18/12/2009 07:02:28 AM 1224 Views
Why are you entertaining this? Sidious - 18/12/2009 01:19:25 PM 1171 Views
The other poster showed no proof that RJ's math was wrong. Read what he said again! *NM* fionwe1987 - 18/12/2009 06:09:49 PM 672 Views
Verin's circle matched Granedal dude. And average strength does not mean great strength. fionwe1987 - 18/12/2009 06:07:51 PM 1186 Views
Re: Egwene + Lelaine + Romanda is weaker than one male Forsaken...according to Egwene herself... darius_sedai - 19/12/2009 12:46:18 AM 1178 Views
I can't imagine it being about skill Sidious - 19/12/2009 12:06:42 PM 1205 Views
of course it's about skill darius_sedai - 19/12/2009 05:22:45 PM 1189 Views
Not it isn't! Sidious - 19/12/2009 05:52:02 PM 1225 Views
If she was only thinking about strength why then didn't she have a plan to add Sheriam darius_sedai - 19/12/2009 07:09:08 PM 1133 Views
I always thought that without her angreal... everynametaken - 18/12/2009 06:27:07 AM 1296 Views
Egwene, Elayne, and Aviendha are equally matched. Heiko - 18/12/2009 07:47:03 AM 1409 Views
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